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This was quite a dumb game from Shuttle in my opinion. I know that he is multitasking at the speed of light but I really think he underestimated what having a resource advantage meant against someone who is brilliant at harassing like Boxer is.
Even after Boxer pushed Shuttle's main, Shuttle wasn't behind economically. If you looked at the FPViews shortly thereafter (well, a few minutes after) you'll see that Shuttle had a 20-25 supply advantage mid game, and Shuttle actually did quite a good job at preventing Boxer from getting those min expos.
Shuttle got his min line RAPED by Boxer several times, and still failed to make cannons that were ADEQUATELY placed, and Boxer exploited that because that's what Boxer does. Shuttle should have known immediately as soon as he denied all those min expos (and had expos no where else) that Boxer was starting to starve, and was starting to struggle. Shuttle should have immediately protected his resource advantage, because the only way Boxer were to come back was if he evened it up economically some how (or if Shuttle wasted all his units some how, but usually it comes down to evening resources).
Maybe another thing what Shuttle could have done was go 1 or 2 stargate carriers after he got his main killed to try to make Boxer make more gollies (even though Boxer DID have upgrades advantage), and Boxer would have been forced to make a lot less vultures.
The late game truly showed that Boxer knew a lot more about starcraft and understood it MUCH better than Shuttle/YoonJoong did.
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Something I been noticing lately in Boxer's play is this...well I guess this is the way I think Boxer thinks inside of his lil' genious head "I always try to entertain my peeps with fun micro that nowadays never leads to a victory, why not put all that multitasking and mental game that I know best into macro, boring, turtling game? Yeah!!! nice idea, let's do it!!!"
He is been playing super macro style every single of his lately, he aint the same Boxer anymore. It's like if he was practicing the new school Terran, so when he gets to SKTelecom he doesn't get yelled at by the Gorilla for not macroing properly + Show Spoiler + Irony, Im drunk donmt listen to me
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Oov coaching Boxer. I'd love to see how that works out
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On July 04 2008 15:21 InfeSteD[rA] wrote:Something I been noticing lately in Boxer's play is this...well I guess this is the way I think Boxer thinks inside of his lil' genious head "I always try to entertain my peeps with fun micro that nowadays never leads to a victory, why not put all that multitasking and mental game that I know best into macro, boring, turtling game? Yeah!!! nice idea, let's do it!!!"He is been playing super macro style every single of his lately, he aint the same Boxer anymore. It's like if he was practicing the new school Terran, so when he gets to SKTelecom he doesn't get yelled at by the Gorilla for not macroing properly + Show Spoiler + Irony, Im drunk donmt listen to me
I have actually noticed that he goes for boring macro games every time now. But this time he won, so it was a little better than 14 CC -> loss all the time.
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I thought at several points in the second half Shuttle had the game as well. But being a Boxer fan I'm really happy for his victory. Even though macro play can be criticized as being boring, I'm really glad that Boxer is adapting to the new competition. Hopefully breaking his vP losing streak this game will lead to bigger things in the future.
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On July 04 2008 15:40 Ancestral wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2008 15:21 InfeSteD[rA] wrote:Something I been noticing lately in Boxer's play is this...well I guess this is the way I think Boxer thinks inside of his lil' genious head "I always try to entertain my peeps with fun micro that nowadays never leads to a victory, why not put all that multitasking and mental game that I know best into macro, boring, turtling game? Yeah!!! nice idea, let's do it!!!"He is been playing super macro style every single of his lately, he aint the same Boxer anymore. It's like if he was practicing the new school Terran, so when he gets to SKTelecom he doesn't get yelled at by the Gorilla for not macroing properly + Show Spoiler + Irony, Im drunk donmt listen to me I have actually noticed that he goes for boring macro games every time now. But this time he won, so it was a little better than 14 CC -> loss all the time.
He probably sees no other way of playing the map. Boxer is very analytical with maps, when he cheeses he abuses every little niche and every build order is practiced to match his opponent's predicted builds, much more than the average player, since his multi-tasking/mechanics are no longer top tier, he has to find an upper hand early on. (Probably the age factor and less practice at ACE)
And sadly to say, he probably doesn't think creativity isn't as rewarding anymore due to the level of competition.
However he pulls off amazing shit like this one TvT on blue storm where he rushed m+M and tech switched perfectly to completely mind rape his opponent, so all hope is not lost in boxer 1.0.
Yes this sounds like an idiotic/mixed paradoxical statement, but Boxer's tenacity in his style as of late has shown little mechanical flavor and works on build order advantages.
Hence his TvT is his only solid mu as of late.
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On July 04 2008 16:07 QuietIdiot wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2008 15:40 Ancestral wrote:On July 04 2008 15:21 InfeSteD[rA] wrote:Something I been noticing lately in Boxer's play is this...well I guess this is the way I think Boxer thinks inside of his lil' genious head "I always try to entertain my peeps with fun micro that nowadays never leads to a victory, why not put all that multitasking and mental game that I know best into macro, boring, turtling game? Yeah!!! nice idea, let's do it!!!"He is been playing super macro style every single of his lately, he aint the same Boxer anymore. It's like if he was practicing the new school Terran, so when he gets to SKTelecom he doesn't get yelled at by the Gorilla for not macroing properly + Show Spoiler + Irony, Im drunk donmt listen to me I have actually noticed that he goes for boring macro games every time now. But this time he won, so it was a little better than 14 CC -> loss all the time. He probably sees no other way of playing the map. Boxer is very analytical with maps, when he cheeses he abuses every little niche and every build order is practiced to match his opponent's predicted builds, much more than the average player, since his multi-tasking/mechanics are no longer top tier, he has to find an upper hand early on. (Probably the age factor and less practice at ACE) And sadly to say, he probably doesn't think creativity isn't as rewarding anymore due to the level of competition. However he pulls off amazing shit like this one TvT on blue storm where he rushed m+M and tech switched perfectly to completely mind rape his opponent, so all hope is not lost in boxer 1.0.Yes this sounds like an idiotic/mixed paradoxical statement, but Boxer's tenacity in his style as of late has shown little mechanical flavor and works on build order advantages. Hence his TvT is his only solid mu as of late.
Maybe his micro was one of reasons Zerg going 3Hatch Muta now 
It's not like I don't like Muta but seeing 11Mutas just flying around, seeing multiple times with like 4-6? groups of Marines inside T's base at the same time, just to get this expo and Hive ASAP is bit weird for me ><
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He changed his style because the old school days are over. You cannot win by doing cute micro tricks anymore. You have to have a strong macro game like oov has shown when he finally surpassed the Emperor and I find it funny people are only bringing this up now. Boxer knew he would have to adapt after that loss. There are many eras. We've come to the point where you have to stylistically have both. Stamina and mental preparation plays a big role too nowadays.
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It could be a side affect of not having enough practice time. Maybe given unlimited practice time we would see the old boxer again O_O
Cant wait till he's done with the airforce.
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maybe shuttle had some sort of "yes I have the lead, I can beat Lim Yohwan" sort of mindset. Then what happened next is "whaa? where's my lead gone to?".
It was a classic game, it was a classic game in a sense that it was a comeback/give away game of some sort.
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