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LosingID8
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Last Edited: 2008-04-29 12:24:26
April 29 2008 09:43 GMT
#1
no, i'm not asking for hw help, but i just wanted to complain about my korean homework.

this is what i have to translate from korean to english:
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황 진이와 신 사임당은 다 같이 16세기 초엽에서 중엽에 걸쳐 살다 갔다. 두 여성이 다 재능과 인품이 비범하여 후세 사람의 존경을 받고 있다.

신 사임당은 대학자 율곡 선생의 모친이다. 율곡 선생이 대학자가 된 데는 모친 사임당의 현명한 훈육의 힘이 컸던 것으로 알려지고 있다. 사임당은 중국고전에 박통하였으며 문장가, 화가로서도 저명하였다. 그가 남긴 산수도, 초충도 등은 국보적인 가치가 있는 일품들이다. 그는 또한 침공, 자수에도 뛰어난 솜씨를 보였다.

현모양처의 전통적 이상을 이처럼 완전하게 구현한 여성은 드물다. 가정에 대한 의무와 타고난 창조적 천재를 이처럼 잘 조화시킨 예도 또한 흔하지 않다. 그러나 남의 눈에 보이지 않는 그의 생활의 이면에는 때때로 말 못할 노고도 있었을 것이다.

황 진이는 재색을 겸비한 여성이었다. 뭇 남성의 간장을 녹이는 미인이었던 그는 또한 어려서부터 시문에 놀라운 재주를 보였다. 그가 남긴 주옥 같은 육편의 시조는 서정시의 극치를 이룬다. 그 시대 시인들의 작품에는 판에 박은 듯이 단조로운 느낌을 주는 것이 많은데 황 진이의 시만은 그 하나하나가 생생하고 절신한 감동을 자아낸다.

이처럼 비슷한 천재를 타고났지만 이조 봉건 사회에서 신 사임당과 황 진이가 차지한 위치는 서로 아주 달랐다. 사임당은 양반 출신으로 양반 명문에 시집을 가서 좋은 아내, 좋은 어머니가 되었다. 현모양처라고 하면 먼저 신 사임당이 머리에 떠오를 만큼 그는 정통적 가치를 수용하고 그 속에서 대성한 사람이다.

환 진이는 송도, 지금의 개성 기생이었다. 평민의 딸로 태어나서 그 처지에 불만을 품고 기생이 되었다고 한다. 이렇게 뜻한 바가 있어 일부러 기생의 신분을 택하였다는 석은 사회에 대한 일종의 반항이었다고 볼 수 있다.

사임당이 전통주의자였다면 황 진이는 자유주의자요 개인주의자였다. 기생은 사회적으로 천한 대우를 받았지만 한편 봉건 사회에서 여성들이 받아야 했던 사회적 도덕적 제약이나 간섭을 기생은 받지 않아도 좋았다. 배우자의 얼굴도 한 번 못 보고 혼인을 하던 시대에 황 진이는 자유 연애를 했다.

황 진이의 반항이 어느 정도로 철저하였는가는 그를 춘향과 비교하여 보면 잘 알 수 있다. 물론 춘향은 소절에 나오는 가공의 인물이다. 그러나 춘향이 기생의 딸로 자유 연애를 했으며 한국 여성의 한 이상형으로 생각되어 왔다는 점에서 황진이와 비교해 볼 만한 데가 있다.

춘향전에는 사회와 특히 부패한 관리에 대한 날카로운 비판이 포한되어 있다. “가성고처 원성고” 같은 구절은 그러한 비판을 잘 드러내고 있다. 그러나 그 비판의 근거는 어디까지나 전통적으로 수용되고 있던 가치다. 춘향전의 주제는 춘향이 모진 유혹과 강박을 물리치고 끝까지 정조를 지키는 데 있다. 그리고 비록 기생의 딸로 태어났지만 성 춘향은 혼인의 테두리 속, 다시 말하면 전통적 가치의 고수 속에서 자아를 발견한다. 이것은 황 진이가 혼인이나 그 밖의 모든 사회적 제약 밖에서 자기의 개성과 천재를 발휘한 것과는 뚜렷한 대조가 된다.

사임당이나 춘향의 전통적 사치에 태한 추종이라고 부를 하등의 이유도 없고 또 자유롭고 개성적인 황 진이의 생활 태도를 향락주의의 소치라고 단정한 이유도 없다. 각각 성격과 처지에 따라 한 명생을 뜻 있고 멋 있게 살았다. 그런 까닭에 이 이름들은 우리의 기억에 영구히 남는 것이다.

it took me over an hour to type that up because i'm taking a hanja course, so basically every 3rd word in that passage was in chinese.

seriously, you chinese make my life miserable. why couldn't you have a writing system that makes sense

and even in korean, i still don't really understand what the passage is about, lol.

*edit*
ok i finally finished translating this and it's like... 5:23am now -_-;
in case anyone was wondering what the heck that korean block of text meant...

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Hwang Jini and Shin Saimdang both lives in the beginning to the middle of the 16th century. Both women had talent and extraordinary character, and thus receive the pride of future generations.

Shin Saimdang is the mother of the scholar Yul Gok. Yul Gok became a scholar because of his mother Saimdang’s intelligent and judicious upbringing and discipline. She was well-versed in Chinese classics, and is famous for being a good writer and painter. Her paintings of landscapes and insects in grass are of such superior quality that they are valued like national treasures. She also showed skill at needlework and embroidery.

It’s rare to find a female who embodies the traditional ideal of a wise mother and worthy wife. It is also rare to find someone who has the harmony of a sense duty to family and has creative genius. However, there were unspoken troubles behind her lifestyle that were hidden from the public view.

Hwang Jini had the combined beauty and talent of a woman. She was a beauty that melted the hearts of many men, and also from a young age showed amazing talent in poetry and prose. The gem-like 6 poem she left behind achieved lyrical poetry perfection. Many poets’ works in that era gave off a monotonous feeling, but only her work was lively and stirred up emotions of urgency.

Shin Saimdang was a genius too, but her position was very different from Hwang Jini. Saimdang was of noble descent and married to a noble family, and became a good wife and mother. When you hear the phrase “wise mother and worthy wife,” Shin Saimdang ist he first name that comes to mind, and she accepted orthodox values, and within those values she attained greatness.

Hwang Jini was a kisaeng in Songdo, currently Gaesung. Born as a daughter of a commoner, she became a kisaeng because she was discontent with her circumstances. It can be seen as a kind of resistance to a rotten society, that she would deliberately choose the social position of a kisaeng.

If Saimdang stood for traditionalism, then Hwang Jini stood for free thinking and individualism. Although kisaengs received contemptuous treatment from society, on the other hand they were free from the moral constraints and interferences placed upon women by feudal society. In a time where people would marry before even seeing their spouse’s face, Hwang Jini loved freely.

In order to see how thorough Hwang Jini’s rebellion was, you can compare her with Choonhyang. Of course, Choonhyang is a fictitious character appearing in a novel. However, Choonhyang was the daughter of a kisaeng and had a free love relationship, becoming considered to be an ideal type of woman, and in this aspect can be compared with Hwang Jini.

In the story of Choonhyang, the sharp criticism of society and a particularly corrupt official are included. “Where there is loud merry-making, there is loud wailing” is an example of a paragraph in which such criticism is apparent. However, the basis of that criticism is a traditionally accept value. The theme in the Choonhyang story is her overcoming the temptation and compulsion, protecting her chastity. Also, even though she was only born as the daughter of a kisaeng, within the outline of marriage, in other words by adhering to traditional values, she discovered herself. A clear contrast is shown with the individualism and genius displayed by Hwangjini regarding marriage and all societal constaints.

There is no reason at all to call the traditional values of Saimdang and Choonhyang servile; likewise there is no reason to say that Hwang Jini’s freedom and individualism is a result of her lifestyle and attitude. Depending on their personality and individual circumstances, they lived meaningful and stylish lives. For these reasons these names will permanently remain in our memories.

it's a really crappy translation, now that i think about it. but i'm way too tired at the moment to do anything about it.

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o3.power91
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Bahrain5288 Posts
April 29 2008 09:57 GMT
#2
Wow. Sry cant help u but good luck.
alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
April 29 2008 10:30 GMT
#3
wtf
loooooool

no one told u to take so much from our language.. geez..
good luck -_- and hey how much better are your korean circles and lines >: (

lemme try guess a few .. . 황 is either yellow or king lol
세 is years XD
초 is like ..early? or super.. no idea wtf 엽 is hahah then 중 is middle :D

lol i see 춘향 isn't that some korean princess or some shit

whatever :D have fun
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Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
April 29 2008 10:42 GMT
#4
I agree. Chinese is the most inefficient language in the world. With english, you simply have to learn 25 characters and you can basically sound everything out through phonetics. In other words, you can read any US newspaper. You won't know what it means, but you'll be able to read it. Chinese, on the other hand, requires more than 500 characters to be learned before you can even attempt to read a Chinese newspaper.
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thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
April 29 2008 10:58 GMT
#5
well to be fair if you read a chinese paper you can't read wtf it says but you CAN understand it lololol.
dronebabo
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
10866 Posts
April 29 2008 11:06 GMT
#6
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jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
April 29 2008 11:57 GMT
#7
On April 29 2008 19:42 Centric wrote:
I agree. Chinese is the most inefficient language in the world. With english, you simply have to learn 25 characters and you can basically sound everything out through phonetics. In other words, you can read any US newspaper. You won't know what it means, but you'll be able to read it. Chinese, on the other hand, requires more than 500 characters to be learned before you can even attempt to read a Chinese newspaper.


Yeah, well, the russian alphabet is only 33 letters - if I type them all out for you do you think you could read a newspaper?

Chinese is massively efficient. The grammar is so simple - no complicated declinations or tenses, no wildly unpredictable pronunciations (loughborough, plague, chasm, etc) - once you get the vocabulary, learning to read, write, and speak is not so difficult, really.
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10829 Posts
April 29 2008 12:24 GMT
#8
added my english translation in case anyone was curious.
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jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-29 12:53:30
April 29 2008 12:52 GMT
#9
You should ask your teacher if making subs for starcraft broadcasts can count towards your homework
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Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
April 29 2008 13:59 GMT
#10
On April 29 2008 20:57 jgad wrote:
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On April 29 2008 19:42 Centric wrote:
I agree. Chinese is the most inefficient language in the world. With english, you simply have to learn 25 characters and you can basically sound everything out through phonetics. In other words, you can read any US newspaper. You won't know what it means, but you'll be able to read it. Chinese, on the other hand, requires more than 500 characters to be learned before you can even attempt to read a Chinese newspaper.


Yeah, well, the russian alphabet is only 33 letters - if I type them all out for you do you think you could read a newspaper?

Chinese is massively efficient. The grammar is so simple - no complicated declinations or tenses, no wildly unpredictable pronunciations (loughborough, plague, chasm, etc) - once you get the vocabulary, learning to read, write, and speak is not so difficult, really.



Uh what?

Only language that uses freaking GLYPHS in its writing system. Hello please make a phonetic writing system? One that covers all your sounds, including tones?

And the grammar is so imprecise, with no complicated declinations or tenses, that a lot of it is idioms, intuition, and acclimation.

The Chinese writing system is hopelessly inefficient, and its grammar is frustratingly imprecise.
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jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
April 29 2008 15:05 GMT
#11
Only language that uses freaking GLYPHS in its writing system. Hello please make a phonetic writing system? One that covers all your sounds, including tones?

And the grammar is so imprecise, with no complicated declinations or tenses, that a lot of it is idioms, intuition, and acclimation.

The Chinese writing system is hopelessly inefficient, and its grammar is frustratingly imprecise.


Most languages are seriously deficient in terms of phonetic representation - a good deal of English spelling and pronunciation has to be learned by rote and, at that, even native speakers often have a terrible time trying to spell even common words correctly. To say a loosely accurate phonetic system is better or worse than logograms is a difficult argument to make convincingly - there's no denying that it works fine both ways as billions of people manage through their days with about the same amount of effort to get their reading and writing done in a ton of languages.

Ask a second language student what they think of English and you'll find that convoluted and illogical grammar, unpredictable phonetics, and pervasive idiomatic expressions are also the sorts of things that confound them. It's hardly endemic to a glyph-based writing system.
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azndsh
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4447 Posts
April 29 2008 16:55 GMT
#12
Stop defending Chinese. Not having an alphabet plain sucks. With no other language is it so difficult to learn to read/write once you know how to speak the language.
Centric
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1989 Posts
April 29 2008 17:36 GMT
#13
On April 30 2008 01:55 azndsh wrote:
Stop defending Chinese. Not having an alphabet plain sucks. With no other language is it so difficult to learn to read/write once you know how to speak the language.


Agreed. Just ask any Chinese American kid who was forced by their parents to go to Chinese school. Mine didn't, thank god.
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riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-29 17:48:41
April 29 2008 17:41 GMT
#14
I don't know how to read or write Chinese, even though it's my first language (listen/speak it like most abc's). Decided to get serious with my native tongue and took a course on it in college. Too bad I bombed the damn thing. Had to write a character countless times just to remember how to write it and what it means, thus siphoning time from other studies. Should've just stuck to science courses
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infinity21 *
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Canada6683 Posts
April 29 2008 18:08 GMT
#15
On April 30 2008 00:05 jgad wrote:
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Only language that uses freaking GLYPHS in its writing system. Hello please make a phonetic writing system? One that covers all your sounds, including tones?

And the grammar is so imprecise, with no complicated declinations or tenses, that a lot of it is idioms, intuition, and acclimation.

The Chinese writing system is hopelessly inefficient, and its grammar is frustratingly imprecise.


Most languages are seriously deficient in terms of phonetic representation - a good deal of English spelling and pronunciation has to be learned by rote and, at that, even native speakers often have a terrible time trying to spell even common words correctly. To say a loosely accurate phonetic system is better or worse than logograms is a difficult argument to make convincingly - there's no denying that it works fine both ways as billions of people manage through their days with about the same amount of effort to get their reading and writing done in a ton of languages.

Ask a second language student what they think of English and you'll find that convoluted and illogical grammar, unpredictable phonetics, and pervasive idiomatic expressions are also the sorts of things that confound them. It's hardly endemic to a glyph-based writing system.

I started learning English @ grade 5 in Canada and I could speak it pretty fluently after one year. It's not that hard to learn.
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jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-29 22:58:51
April 29 2008 22:57 GMT
#16
Ok, clearly I'm not going to win this on the anecdotal evidence of present company, lol. That said, I think anyone can learn a language pretty easily in grade 5 - kids are like sponges. I dunno, I learned over 500 chinese characters in 12 weeks, slacking pretty hard too - less than ten hours a week practice - and could hold basic conversations, etc. I found it to be a logical and straightforward language, idioms notwithstanding. I guess mileage may vary, though, hey?
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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10829 Posts
April 29 2008 23:19 GMT
#17
On April 30 2008 07:57 jgad wrote:
Ok, clearly I'm not going to win this on the anecdotal evidence of present company, lol. That said, I think anyone can learn a language pretty easily in grade 5 - kids are like sponges. I dunno, I learned over 500 chinese characters in 12 weeks, slacking pretty hard too - less than ten hours a week practice - and could hold basic conversations, etc. I found it to be a logical and straightforward language, idioms notwithstanding. I guess mileage may vary, though, hey?

you should try my hanja class, try learning 100-200 a week.
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jgad
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada899 Posts
April 30 2008 00:29 GMT
#18
lots and lots of these, haha
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