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Russian Federation1893 Posts
I've got a message from Victor today. Translation here:
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I salute you, my dear enemies fans!
As I have already said, I had never been a maphacker as I am accused. Nevertheless, I had Oblivion installed (only for training purposes, but still it's a hack); I let down my team, I made admins waste their time to reveal the maphack and not do more important things... I admit that I must take punishment...
I know how hard it is for the team to just throw me out. I always considered myself a manner player, and in this case I have to gather my courage and leave the team myself instead of hiding behind friends' backs. I am not going to quit SC. You will see me again on LANs (Yeah, right! So many hackers in offlines, it is just scary, right?). Until then I am gone. I hope that one day you will forgive me. I am indeed very sorry that this has happened :'(
Farewell,
Victor Lopatin,
Ex-player of RoX - localhost.
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Russian Federation1893 Posts
Whatever you say, it's a big loss for our team. 
But local done a very smart thing.
Peace, brother 
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I liked him... :[
At least he did the right thing and didn't deny everything and shit.
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but he didn't hack... 
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United States42609 Posts
On April 22 2008 10:43 HamerD wrote:but he didn't hack...
He played serious games of bw in sponsored tournaments with Oblivion (a hack) open, loaded up and active. This much is proved. According to him although he was in game with a maphack running he had set it to not show the map. Exactly what more do you want?
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At least he admitted it and apologized, and didnt try some lame excuse.
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Russian Federation1893 Posts
Exactly. He confessed, he had Oblivion opened. Tho it was in sleeping mode (well, let's trust him here), and made no help for him, it was A HACK LOADED. And he understands it
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he just said he didn't turned it on, that he is not a map hacker.
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Russian Federation1893 Posts
Why should not I trust him? But it's the same with HayprO situation. 
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I hope he can gain his respect back in the future and continue on the bw scene.
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Austin10831 Posts
On April 22 2008 11:05 useLess wrote:
At least he admitted it and apologized, and didnt try some lame excuse.
Isn't that exactly what this is, an excuse?
On April 22 2008 11:05 Rus_Brain wrote:
Exactly. He confessed, he had Oblivion opened. Tho it was in sleeping mode (well, let's trust him here), and made no help for him, it was A HACK LOADED. And he understands it
Well, he didn't confess, he was caught. What I don't understand is, if RoX players use maphack for their in-house training, wouldn't you know about it? It seems weird that you, as a manager, wouldn't be aware of this, or if you were, wouldn't mention it in your release when he was first accused.
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A murky situation in my opinion. I liked watching him in ascension however. He seems like a good guy, after reading his apology.
Whether he really DID hack or not, the consequences still stick. If he continues to do well in LANs, like he says, how can ppl not give him another chance, despite these accusations?
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
nobody dl's a hack just for practice or just for "sleep mode." How many athletes do you know keep steroids at home but dont use them? 0
He's a nice guy and a great player. But he is stupid if he thinks anyone buys that logic. And stupider if it is somehow true.
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wtf would you have oblivion on "sleep mode" in the first place???
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I really don't give a shit about his excuse, it may or may not be bullshit, either way it does not matter. He accepts that he was caught with it running, and he left the team for that reason.
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Didn't he hack in all ascension and MOTC games? It's easy to go back and watch some of those games. See if there's any questionable moves.
It's possible he's telling the truth... but I highly doubt it. Even then, map hacking in practice games is pretty murky. Kinda unfair to all those other players who practice legit w/out hack.
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Manner. It takes a pair to leave like that, regardless of whether or not it's an excuse or not. You have my respect, localhost.
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Austin10831 Posts
lol some of you guys have a pretty low threshold for your respect.
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Well steroids is different. If an athlete uses steroids only in practice, the steroids directly affect actual games. On the other hand, using mh for practice, only helps someone get better, while the mh has no direct affect on a game.
But still, is using mh to practice looked down upon? To me, it seems like a viable way to get better--actually work on timing.
The bottom line is, he COULD be telling the truth. It doesn't matter though, he's accepted the consequences of even HAVING a mh on his computer, and he's paid the price. He's been seemingly forthright and hasn't complained.
If others can come back from hack accusations, I'm sure, if he's legit and if he wants to, he can too.
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Nikk
United States63 Posts
When I was teaching a friend to play Starcraft I would play the game while sharing vision. The major drawback to this was that he didn't need detectors for stealth, but someone said that map hacks don't reveal cloaked units. If that is true, I would definitely have my friend play me with a map hack on for the learning experience, as opposed to sharing vision.
I dont know how applicable this is for practicing on a competitive level however. Also, I don't have an opinion on whether or not this was the case with localhost.
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United States42609 Posts
On April 22 2008 12:04 Nikk wrote:
When I was teaching a friend to play Starcraft I would play the game while sharing vision. The major drawback to this was that he didn't need detectors for stealth, but someone said that map hacks don't reveal cloaked units. If that is true, I would definitely have my friend play me with a map hack on for the learning experience, as opposed to sharing vision.
I dont know how applicable this is for practicing on a competitive level however. Also, I don't have an opinion on whether or not this was the case with localhost.
The hack was open and active in a game for a tournament with a cash prize. If I was playing in a tournament and routinely used hack to train I wouldn't think "this is an important game so I'll leave the hack on but toggle it so I can't see his shit". I'd turn the hack off. Fact is, his hack was running in Ascension. That's as incriminating as it gets.
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He seems like a nice guy and is smart to apologize and leave the team himself - however it still doesn't change anything that he was almost guaranteed hacking in some games, no one downloads Oblivion and turns it on to NOT use it. But maybe he can regain people's trust.
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
On April 22 2008 11:59 whOo wrote:
Well steroids is different. If an athlete uses steroids only in practice, the steroids directly affect actual games. On the other hand, using mh for practice, only helps someone get better, while the mh has no direct affect on a game.
But still, is using mh to practice looked down upon? To me, it seems like a viable way to get better--actually work on timing.
The bottom line is, he COULD be telling the truth. It doesn't matter though, he's accepted the consequences of even HAVING a mh on his computer, and he's paid the price. He's been seemingly forthright and hasn't complained.
If others can come back from hack accusations, I'm sure, if he's legit and if he wants to, he can too.
My example was not to illustrate that people claim to have steroids only for practice but rather if you have steroids or hacks you USE THEM for things other than practice. He is 100% bullshitting that he dl'd a hack and used it strictly for practice games.
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Trinidad/Tobago1177 Posts
No-one gets the message: DON'T DOWNLOAD A HACK ... EVER! NOT EVEN FOR PRACTICE.
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Russian Federation1893 Posts
On April 22 2008 17:12 JoMal wrote:
No-one gets the message: DON'T DOWNLOAD A HACK ... EVER! NOT EVEN FOR PRACTICE. troooooo!
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i dont see the logics that you would gain skill faster with maphack in training games than you would without the hack.
If this excuse is "accepted" then everyone would get away with it
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He seems like a cool person, but he lost my respect as a player. Too bad. I think many hackers just don't need to hack.. but they do so anyway
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On April 22 2008 17:36 TreK[cF] wrote:
i dont see the logics that you would gain skill faster with maphack in training games than you would without the hack.
If this excuse is "accepted" then everyone would get away with it
I see how it can be useful for timing practice. "If I got his build and I scout him doing this with probe, so I know hes going this other thing...around blah pop or time his shit should start moving to me" or w/e, but yea....much better done by share vision in practice. MH = :-(
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Localhost is scum. Doesn't matter if he apologized and quitted RoX team, he had oblivion hack downloaded and now is trying to buy back some reputation with some crappy excuses no one would believe. My respect goes to everyone who never used maphack and always played legit and losed tons of games without falling in the temptation of playing dirty. Whoever claims to have respect for this guy just from what he said in that post needs to get a new, good working brain. asap. ![[image loading]](http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/3817/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif)
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Russian Federation1893 Posts
On April 22 2008 19:22 iG.ClouD wrote:Localhost is scum. Doesn't matter it he apologized and quitted RoX team, he had oblivion hack downloaded and now is trying to buy back some reputation with some crappy excuses no one would believe. My respect goes to everyone who never used maphack and always played legit and losed tons of games without falling in the temptation of playing dirty. Whoever claims to have respect for this guy just from what he said in that post needs to get a new, good working brain. asap. Oh boy!
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On April 22 2008 11:12 Rus_Brain wrote:Why should not I trust him? But it's the same with HayprO situation.
It's not the same thing. Localhost was found hacking in many games while Haypro only had one game vs Strelok where he 'forgot' to turn off the launcher. Every other game was clean.
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On April 22 2008 17:23 Rus_Brain wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2008 17:12 JoMal wrote:
No-one gets the message: DON'T DOWNLOAD A HACK ... EVER! NOT EVEN FOR PRACTICE. troooooo!
this
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On April 22 2008 11:33 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
nobody dl's a hack just for practice or just for "sleep mode." How many athletes do you know keep steroids at home but dont use them? 0
He's a nice guy and a great player. But he is stupid if he thinks anyone buys that logic. And stupider if it is somehow true.
Actually, many athletes have short amounts of training in extreme hight (few 1000 meter above sea) so their body makes extra bloodcells. It's like natures own Dope.
Also athletes specialized in jumping (far and hight alike) sometime use trampolins in trainings. It lets them practice the movement in the air, without having to be able to get as much air as needed to perform the movement.
The same applies with maphack; you can practice your descision making without having to actual be able to know whats going on.
Getting hight = getting information
movement in the air = making decisions.
I know many of the people here don't believe in breaking the game up in parts and practicing them seperatly, but I do. This is a way to achive that.
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On April 23 2008 00:57 Navane wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2008 11:33 {88}iNcontroL wrote:
nobody dl's a hack just for practice or just for "sleep mode." How many athletes do you know keep steroids at home but dont use them? 0
He's a nice guy and a great player. But he is stupid if he thinks anyone buys that logic. And stupider if it is somehow true. Actually, many athletes have short amounts of training in extreme hight (few 1000 meter above sea) so their body makes extra bloodcells. It's like natures own Dope. Also athletes specialized in jumping (far and hight alike) sometime use trampolins in trainings. It lets them practice the movement in the air, without having to be able to get as much air as needed to perform the movement. The same applies with maphack; you can practice your descision making without having to actual be able to know whats going on. Getting hight = getting information movement in the air = making decisions. I know many of the people here don't believe in breaking the game up in parts and practicing them seperatly, but I do. This is a way to achive that.
Ok well theres nothing saying that training in extreme elevations is against the rules
Maphacking in starcraft is clearly marked as against the rules in all major leagues and competitions
Big Difference, your and idiot
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