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Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 16:54:15
March 26 2008 18:55 GMT
#1
As I really don’t know how and where to get started with this, and I want to make it easy access for the few persons that might read it, I’ll just begin with a short piece on my arrival in Seoul. Thing is, I could just pop up random stories from my head, but since it’s been quite some time now these things happened, and that most of you won’t be able maybe to relate them to today’s pro gaming, I need some kind of basic frame for the events I’m going to tell you to take place. Let’s get on with it.


So, here was the deal before I got to Korea in 1999 (or was it 2000 ? Can’t remember really). I had met Grrrr...’s manager at that time, online, on battle net. After much talking and a few months, there was the idea he could pay me the trip and accomodation to Korea, and make me play into several events and leagues, and if things had gone well, eventually get a sponsorship. The only prerequisite, was me to get a spot through the online prelims for the KBK (knight bridge to korea, yea what a fucked up name I thought ; there’ll be tons more on fucked up korean english stuff later on here). KBK was an open tournament, with live finals in Seoul. Basically the top 128 of the online ladder would qualify, and the top 32 would get their plane ticket paid by the organisers. Now, at that time, Stracraft was kind of big online. And such an online ladder would draw shit tons of players from everywhere. The regular ladder was still somewhat of a fancy thing to play, and would get you some recognition among community. Needless to say, that despite it’s shitty organisation, KBK was always a success. So you had all the top foreigners and top koreans competiting there, playing all day long, trying to get into the golden top 128. That was cool, only problem was that, online KBK was a fucking hackfest. Now there might still be that secret taboo about it, but more or less, every single person aside a very very very few, was cheating his way on top. The very few non cheaters that would make it, would be players such as Elky, playing about 60 games a day, so that at the end of the thing, with an average win ratio, he’d get the top 32 rating.
Stupidly, neither was I patient enough, or smart enough to mass game or cheat. So I ended up stucked with mutiple ID’s right in front of the top 128. Time was running out, and I needed that top 128 ID. I found a french player that wasn’t going to go to Korea, with half free won games top 128 ID that didn’t get spotted by the ladder mods, bought it for 50 bucks and got my ride paid by Grrrr...’s manager to Korea.

These days, were truely the golden age of Starcraft. Battle net was a fun place where to hang out, people were just as hardcore as today’s mmorpgs players can be, and it was constantly filled up with quality trash talk, nerd elitism and good games. The foreign online community was somewhat bigger and more active than the Korean one, and you had tons of clans and channels to be in . You weren’t chasing after non english speaking koreans at midnight in lost Uswest channels to get to obs a game. The link with Korea was actually just begening to establish really, as Grrrr..., Thor, Pillars and Maynard, were staying in Korea, and playing showmatches in the first televised shows of Starcraft. At that time, you would go on Tooniverse website, (korean kid channel), and stream up weird videos of a bunch of white kids playing other Asian players all dressed in Cosmocats like suits. You think 4 years ago space pro gaming suits were fucked up ? Go back in time and watch the games then. It was truely COSMIC.
And this is what could grasp of the dream, a very handful of foreign players, that wanted to give a shot at it.

Back to KBK, Sc phenomenum and my arrival in Seoul.

I was 17 or so. Neither my mom nor my step father wanted to prevent me from going. They were somewhat happy. I never had any trouble with school really, grades had been good, they thought Korea wouldn’t last long and I’d go back to France a few months later and get back on with studies. I arrived at the time Grrrr... was on top of his fame. Aside him, you only had Samjjang as gaming Superstar. And it truely was something. Their fame was different than today’s progamers I guess. Because it was something new, and kind of amazing for many ppl. Pro gaming started at first on Kid’s cable channel and was aimed at a very young audience. But parent’s started watching it with their kids, and teenagers got hooked up as well. It got real big real fast, in the way it wasn’t expected at all by TV producers. So, when you’d walk with Grrrr... in the streets, you’d get A CRAPLOAD of attention from everyone. Going to restaurants with him would mean free bottles of wine, free deserts, free shit every where, traded for an autograph or a picture. I have to add, that the PC room number was going crazy in Seoul. They had opened everywhere – when I got to the city, their number was about 50 thousand. And people there weren’t playing any other game THAN STARCRAFT. It was the most popular shit around, Diablo 2 wasn’t there yet. As ppl would tell me back then, Korea was experiencing a very new social trend : PC bangs and games. It was also part of all the “consumers getting out of depression” state of mind, following the Asian stocks crisis and social disaster that happened in 1998. PC rooms, computers, network, games, were socialy tagged with that very bright color of hope. Modern technologies : something Korean industry could and would be good at.
This climate was the only thing ever, in what pro gaming could be born. But don’t get me wrong, people were crazy about games and Stracraft happened to be the most popular. This doesn’t necessary imply the same thing for pro gaming. Pro gaming itself wasn’t famous. A few individuals like Samjjang and Grrrr... were. And Pro gaming always kept that trend. Even today. A few shine, but pro gaming as Esports isn’t a fact yet socially recognized. Even there, in Korea.

Hong suh and John ( Hong suh being Grrrr...’s ex manager) picked me up at the airport. I had travelled on another flight than the two other french players going for KBK – Storm and Elky. We got to Kang Nam, and all the way from the airport to the Hotel room, I was feeling just like a fucking powered Ecxstasy, on a very high trip. Back in France I used to be a pretty heavy pothead, and since I knew in Korea I wouldn’t find any weed, I took over a nice stash in my bags with me. The Hotel I was in was just across the street of the biggest PC BANG of seoul at that time. It was even bigger than Megawebstation. It’s closed now. Name was NET and was owned by SK telecom itself. Now to be honest, megawebsation was the total opposite of this place, that I have to describe religiously as I spent my first four months in this place, with some of the most awesome individuals I met through my Korean adventure. There were 3 different floors, with about 40 to 50 computers each. The first floor was wide open to the street you could see from a glass wall going all over the front side of the building. You had about 15 workers there, third of the staff beeing VERY HOT females. You could order food from the sandwich restaurant next to the building, and get these very fine ladies to bring it right at your desk, while playing Starcraft. The manager had given me about 600 bucks in cash, more money that I ever had, telling me he would give me 100 bucks every 3 days or so.
First thing I did was to install ICQ and contact my two other French mates, lost somewhere else in a random PC Room of Seoul. They got there in the hour, and rented a room in the same hotel. From there on until they left back to France, we spent time together. KBK was 3 days ahead, and we had loads of time to enjoy the city. Elky was 2 years older than me, Storm was about 27, and we all knew each other prior coming to Korea. As true gaming nerds, our main concern was to get to meet Grrrr... and other top players staying in the city, and of course, play as much we could.


I’ll pause there. Next entry will be about KBK, meeting Maynard in it’s lair, bumping randomly into Grrrr... that we were trying to catch. The night after KBK was over. Friends leaving, me staying. First clubbing night alone with Grrrr.
From then it will be much more fun to read, I had here to set the scene of these stories. Pardon me if it got a little boring.


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ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
March 26 2008 19:10 GMT
#2
Nice adventures ;o

Sounds memorable.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
March 26 2008 19:12 GMT
#3
It truely was >.<.
PanoRaMa
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States5069 Posts
March 26 2008 19:25 GMT
#4
A+ read, keep writing!
Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
March 26 2008 19:32 GMT
#5
OOooooohhhh i will definitly follow your blog.
Great start so far!
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
March 26 2008 19:51 GMT
#6
hehe thanks ^^
Elric
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1327 Posts
March 26 2008 19:53 GMT
#7
For the first time, I'm screaming out for a "subscribe to blog" button.

Can't wait for next chapter. I'm a complete noob to the SC scene, only getting into it in 2006 so all this stuff is 'before my time' but it's still incredibly fascinating.
Luddite
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2315 Posts
March 26 2008 19:54 GMT
#8
Yeah this blog is great. I love getting the inside scoop on progaming.
Can't believe I'm still here playing this same game
jkillashark
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States5262 Posts
March 26 2008 20:20 GMT
#9
Good stuff.
Do your best, God will do the rest.
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5094 Posts
March 26 2008 20:24 GMT
#10
awesome blog wow
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
yubee
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States3826 Posts
March 26 2008 20:26 GMT
#11
wow this is sick i'm excited for the next part
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
March 26 2008 20:31 GMT
#12
I'll try and do it tonight ~.~. Girl is back from work.
parkin
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
1079 Posts
March 26 2008 20:35 GMT
#13
looking forward to the next part!
mostly harmless
Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
March 26 2008 20:39 GMT
#14
Thanx god we persuaded you to write more on your experiences in that ZergLee(Sigamari) and Zergman retirement thread. For others who missed it, here is a quote:

On March 26 2008 19:35 Boonbag wrote:
What many of you fail to realise (mainly because you didn't live there, and worked in this business), is the overall misery and poverty that are the real ground of pro gaming. To make it really simple, you shouldn't be expecting any salary at all if you fail to win anything big or consistently get into later phase of leagues. Unlike what has been said, the age and senior priority wont be a factor at all of the salary. Might be when it comes to the team roster etc.. but definitly not when it comes to money.
And what you'd be suprise of, is that retirements were much much more common before. Spots under the light were fewer, and countless over talented players had to quit starcraft because not getting into the major leagues, or just that some of today's major leagues, back in the time were much smaller and ongamenet was basically the only place to be to get a sponsor.

Players such as Intotherain that were REAL famous back then, were struggling to find any kind of sponsorship.

Only Grrrr..,( and me 2 at that time ^^), samjjang, the Boys and Girls team, the KPGL Pc bang team (wich contained maynard^^), and Ideal Space folks later on were getting money. ALL the rest of the players, had to rely on tournaments prizes and minor leagues per match money, to live.
This situation evolved, but didn't change in it's core.
Situation got even worse in some places.

Two stories now, one new, one old.

New one first.
Feeling nostalgic I went on USwest in the channel of my old clan while i was in korea, sam gug gi ( 397 ), tag is SaM.
So as basically none of the ppl of my time were still active, I started chatting with some very young players there. A part of the clan, forms a semi pro team today. I was talking with this 15 years old kid, and asking him about his team, how things were running etc. It basically went like this :

- And so, what kind of money are you getting ?
- 500 000 (won).
- That's not too bad..
- No no. I pay manager 500 000.
- The fuck ? he should be paying you.
- T_T nono.
- Huk. You still live at your parent's house ?
- No, no. Team pc bang and house. I'm so tired, I have to play 40 games every day.
- Is your manager a nice guy ?
- No. He very scary man T_T. I'm scared.

That's somewhat fun and sad at the same time. But it's very much like this for many many gamers not famous yet.

Then the old one now. It's about cho jja.

So I was in COEX someday, at the time megawebstation was still OGN ground. At that time KTF didn't exist yet, but was about to begin. The head manager of the later KTF team, has a brother, that was gorush's manager.
That guy showed up to me, knowing my relation with Elky and other foreign players. And went on saying how he'd love to make a team, with korean players and foreigners. At that time, Gorush just had won WCG, but was pretty much getting owned left and right in korean leagues. Especially by elky, who'd consistently rape him any given TV game.
Anyway, I gave him my phonenumber, and he later called me back within the week. He knew I wasn't so hot about Gorush and such, but that Elky and smuft and me, because of Spunky, were alot closer to Chojja, that they liked and played with alot. He then asked me if I wanted to meet Chojja's manager that he knew well. I liked Chojja alot, and we were all pretty much considering him as one, if not the best player that ever existed at that time, cuz he was so impressive to watch play, and had that insane hand speed that shocked us each time we would have him around.
So I get on his car, and we get to chojja's manager pc bang.

More or less, that place was the devil's asshole. Just imagine a really poor area of seoul. Pick a basement of the suckiest and dirtiest building around there, set up a dozen of old and slow computers, ban any sort of light, add insects and an alien form of sticky, greasy and smelly dust everywhere, and you kind of get the place. The "manager" was some random low class yangachi lose bum, sitting in a broken chair in front of a fan all day long, smoking and burping while we were talking to him. When we asked him how about making a team, he didn't want to, saying that chojja was basically his own property, and that he offered him "this awesome place were to practice" that was his own pc bang. I didn't want to extend the meeting and asked gorush's manager to leave that place, saying later on we'd rather directly talk to chojja (eventho I had no intention, as I knew that gorush's manager, was also a bum and had a very bad reputation).

Anyway, that's just to show how miserable and hard, is the path for any gamers starting off, with no real big connections, or special luck. And furthermore, that money, can't really be a concern until later on, when the player starts winning or qualifying. Most of the pro gamer's contract have a result "clause" in it, wich forces them to win. So when they retire, you can safely assume that 99% of the time, its because the sponsor doesn't want to give as much money as before, and that the player isn't winning anymore.

I could go on forever on that topic. So many fucked up stories.
Member of the "Fuck Yeah, Canata !" committee :-) to join copy/paste this
Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-26 20:49:42
March 26 2008 20:48 GMT
#15
Thanks for posting this, a really great read!
I'm dumb and blind, but what was your handle?

Looking forward to more :D
Krohm
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1857 Posts
March 26 2008 20:53 GMT
#16
Yeah what was your handle?
Not bad for a cat toy.
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
March 26 2008 20:57 GMT
#17
oTTeR or French'Boy later on in Korea.
ProTech_MediC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States498 Posts
March 26 2008 22:00 GMT
#18
Nice stories. I hope you continue to write more. I think I remember seeing your oTTeR names on bnet way back in the day ^^

Every once and a while, I would "peak" into channels to see what the good players were up to...
MC Fighting!~
kroko
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland2136 Posts
March 26 2008 23:16 GMT
#19
U r good writer, nice to read. Plz write some more stories...
I have Sick Timing and UnReal Macro
PoP-sicle
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada418 Posts
March 27 2008 00:14 GMT
#20
I want more!!! plz keep it up :D
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