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Mafia 2 - My clue interpretations

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suresh0t
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States295 Posts
March 19 2008 19:59 GMT
#1
I'm a little late to the party and have been offline for a couple days. Luckily I didn't miss the all the fun. Anywho I opted to run with the clues 2 others have started:

xDark.Carnivalx and ShadowDrgn

Anyways, this isn't to muddy up the water and try to undermine their thoughts. I simply want to state my thoughts so everyone can be looked at and observed. Worst thing you can do in Mafia is start killing your own. You want to have a fairly high percentage chance of someone being a Mafia in your mind before voting on them to be lynched. Let's try not to do the Mafia's job for them and look closely at everyone and not start singling people out unless it is warranted.

We'll start with ShadowDrgn's post. I've added my thoughts under each clue and are in bold.

Day 1
Clue: you get to taste lead for dinner
Suspect: Caller
Reason: Sig contains "lead" and other food items that could be related to "dinner"

Very loose and could refer to anyone with food in their name or profile but the addition of lead and food items in the sig it makes Caller the most likely candidate.

Clue: either you're with us or you're permanently not
Suspect: unsoundlogic
Reason: Clue contains unsound logic!

My thoughts lean towards
-qrs
“It requires a very unusual mind to undertake the analysis of the obvious”
It's obvious that if he is not with them he is dead

Loose but better than unsoundlogic, simply because it is logically, just phrased poorly.


Suspect: GrayArea
Reason: Clue lacks a gray area.

I don't even have a response to this one .

Clue: Sidewinder stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable
Suspect: MidnightGladius
Reason: Sig contains "It's time to acknowledge the inevitable"

Solid clue that I will stand behind. Couldn't come up with someone more or equally appropriate for this clue.

Clue: he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed
Suspect: CDRdude
Reason: Sig mentions lurkers unburrowing, which can "come out of nowhere" and cut armies off.

Suspect: Ninja4ever
Reasons: Ninja come out of nowhere! I think this connection is stronger than Dark Carnival does.

Another loose one and could also lean towards
-Alethios
“there's somebody here... they stole your underpants”
Someone came out of nowhere and stole your underpants
-Empyrean
“Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.”
If in fact thee Lord showed up it would be out of nowhere
-JeeJee
“i dont deal with ppl who proxy everything. its like the map is ur base”
Proxy players seem to bring the armies out of nowhere.

All of them are equally capable of being Mafia by this clue, and I think it would be bad to act on one til we could come up with a more sound argument. Along with xDark.Carnivalx's recommendation of G.s)Naruto.


Clue: [Dapperdan] met [King Brown Snake] face to face halfway
Suspect HotZhot
Reasons: Extremely weak, but his name sort of fits the description. His profile picture is a half-covered face too.

-Siefu
“He walks among us, but he is not one of us”
Fairly loose as well, but if you could be face to face with someone and not know if he is with you or against you. I think it's a little more solid than the HotZhot clue, but I could be mistaken.


Clue: Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time.
This seems like two separate clues ("automatically" and "being unarmed"), but I can't fit either of them to anyone.

-Hittegods
“This street violence, pure self defiance”
Unarmed fighting can relate to street fighting, and kicking someone on the ground etc etc.

That was the only one I could come up with for that one. Not condemning Hittegods, but he is top on my list for this clue.


Clue: The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand"
Suspect: CTStalker
Reason: Sig contains "I bear no grudge against you" plus the Wolf-Stalker connection. Credit to Dark.Carnival for this one - I think he's dead on. If we're going to lynch anyone based on clues, I think it should be CTStalker.

-CTStalker
Is my prime suspect for this clue just as the other two have stated. It could also be a bit obvious as well, which could mean it is not him. Unfortunately I don't see it connecting to any other person at the moment.


And onto xDark.Carnivalx's post

For 'The Wolf' - "The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" - part of CTStalker's quote in his profile is "I bear no grudge against you" which relates to the wolf apologizing etc. also 'the wolf' meaning a wolf, which a wolf stalks it's prey and chases them down relatively fast, which relates to 'Stalker' in ctstalkers username. So far that's the best connection i've made with that clue.

We came to the same conclusion on CTStalker.

"He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead." - not much to go on but it semi-relates to suresh0t's name as sure shot may refer to being of good aim and 'back full of lead' relates to a gun, so gun and shooting = sureshot. not much... but something to take note of.

It relates loosely I'll concur. I would recommend everyone note this. If I am Mafia I would imagine more compelling clues may come. However if this is enough for you to suspect me so be it.

Mr. Blonde - "Coming out of nowhere it seemed." - maybe connection to G.s)Naruto, which naruto is an anime character who has blondehair(i think, unfornatunly i cant remember exactly?lol), and is a ninja, which ninja's are known to be stealthy which fits into 'coming out of nowhere' meaning wasn't expected. not much else really just that connection. also Ninja4ever may have some connection, but his quote iirc doesn't really fit much.

I added G.s)Naruto to my list as well, but there are still many people that go on the list for this clue.

Next, Eddie, eddie is portrayed as the mafia leader. which i agree with caller could mean someone in teamliquid who has a high position or is seen as a leader, but zeks quote is "With great power comes great responsibility." Which may relate to having a position of power, which running the mafia would be. Again just a connection, i'm not saying anyone is mafia just connection clues to things.

If that is a clue, I would have to concur with Zeks as a suspect.

Enigma - "An enigma is a puzzle, something mysterious or inexplicable, or a riddle or difficult problem." Siefu's quote is 'He walks among us, but he is not one of us' which may connect to someone mysterious, and the sentence sounds something of a riddle.

We both have Siefu but for different clues, that could mean something, it could be nothing. I will lean towards something.

Mr. Pink - "Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" - BlindAblino may relate to this because blind people are cautious; but there isn't much else to go on though, perhaps albino can be connected with pink.

Anyway that's what i have for now, i have other theories and connections but their more minor then these and will require further analysis before i can even consider making more then a small note on them. Again i'm not saying any of these people are mafia, i'm just pointing out what i found relating clues to them and perhaps other people will make similar connections.

He has many good thoughts and suspicions in this, and seeing as I am one of them everyone will need to take my advice however they see fit. If I am Mafia then I will be trying to cloud your judgment from the real mafia under suspicion. If I'm not Mafia, well then I am just trying to open up leads to follow while we decide who should be suspected and lynched as being Mafia. I can say I am not Mafia, I obviously wouldn't say I am Mafia if I was. Either way here are my thoughts, take them as you want.


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Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 19 2008 20:22 GMT
#2
you should post this again in the thread when Day 2 starts
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
CDRdude
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States5625 Posts
March 19 2008 20:40 GMT
#3
On March 20 2008 04:59 suresh0t wrote:
Clue: he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed
Suspect: CDRdude
Reason: Sig mentions lurkers unburrowing, which can "come out of nowhere" and cut armies off.

I'm pretty sure that clue isn't about me
Force staff is the best item in the game.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
March 19 2008 20:48 GMT
#4
I agree that the MidnightGladius clue is pretty strong.
What were your thoughts on the Ghar clues?
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
wswordsmen
Profile Joined October 2007
United States987 Posts
March 19 2008 21:01 GMT
#5
You are a dead man or Mafia trying to throw people off the scent. Except if I am taken seriously in which case they will let you live to kill your credibility

BTW this is objective commentary I am not even in the game. Plan on joining the next one.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 21:07 GMT
#6
On March 20 2008 05:40 CDRdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2008 04:59 suresh0t wrote:
Clue: he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed
Suspect: CDRdude
Reason: Sig mentions lurkers unburrowing, which can "come out of nowhere" and cut armies off.

I'm pretty sure that clue isn't about me


i agree i don't think this clue isn't remotely strong enough to be mentioned. i have quite a few people/clues i didn't post because the clues weren't strong enough to really form a connection. but it's good to post thoughts and interpretations about clues.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
March 19 2008 21:09 GMT
#7
On March 20 2008 06:01 wswordsmen wrote:
You are a dead man or Mafia trying to throw people off the scent.


Er, how so? Lots of people, including myself, have posted clue interpretations already. It's a good reference for later in the game when we want to check back on things.
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suresh0t
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States295 Posts
March 19 2008 21:12 GMT
#8
Ace - I will repost this on Day 2 assuming I'm not dead :-); unfortunately if I'm not dead, I'm probably more of a suspect....joy joy.

CDRdude - You may be right, hence why I listed quite a few other suspects on that line. However it does relate to you, and now you are on the suspect list. Hope you don't run into another clue that puts you at the scene of the crime ;-).

Klive - I concur it is a fairly strong clue, but I still am not 100%. As far as Gwar is concerned, I knew I forgot something and that was a good clue and he is on my suspect list as well.

wswordsmen - You are probably right, but this is the risk I take. Maybe I'll be left alive by the Mafia and then the Townies will want my head, and if the Townies don't take it then the Mafia will. Guess I can hope for some saving medics to help a brother out :-)
chroniX
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
517 Posts
March 19 2008 21:15 GMT
#9
lets all put up a blog about our thoughts about mafia and just promote the urls in the main thread!!

seriously i think its takes away the mafia-feeling somehow.i like it the way it was last round: chaotic and an epic huge thread!
just write all that shit into the mainthread
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 21:17 GMT
#10
here's my take on midnightgladius

MidnightGladius quote: -"It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." - Volrath Ishnikar, the Faithless General. Clue it is referenced too, Stumbled forward trying to stop the inevitable." I can't say for sure how strong of a clue that is... it may just be a coincidence, which is why i didn't put gladius in my interpretations. Also, MidnightGladius's profile says he is from china, which the 'Taipan Snake' is from australia, but i partly think this may be misdirection and we're meant to focus on the word 'taipan' which is chinese, 'tai-pan' meaning a buisnessman/highroller of sorts, and mafia are similar too that in a way. Again, i may be stretching it a bit far, which is why i didn't mention it before.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
suresh0t
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States295 Posts
March 19 2008 21:20 GMT
#11
you make a good point on gladius but I hadn't found someone more appropriate for that clue so I had to list my one suspect.
suresh0t
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States295 Posts
March 19 2008 21:21 GMT
#12
also if people wish i can delete this blog and post it on the forum if that is more acceptable
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 19 2008 21:23 GMT
#13

Day 1
Clue: you get to taste lead for dinner
Suspect: Caller
Reason: Sig contains "lead" and other food items that could be related to "dinner"

Very loose and could refer to anyone with food in their name or profile but the addition of lead and food items in the sig it makes Caller the most likely candidate.


last round, we stumbled upon what were very blatant, obvious clues and what happened? we lynched many townies. My profile quote is a Monty Python quote, if anything a clue to that is better,.



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Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
March 19 2008 21:23 GMT
#14
Stop accusing each other and just lynch me! Make peace!
We all live in the same town and are one big family afterall. Peace I demand!

*release white pigeon"
靈魂交響曲
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 21:23 GMT
#15
i don't think it needs to be deleted, but when we are discussing what to do for the town when we have a mayor elected either link it in the mainthread or re-post your thoughts. many of us are keeping notes too(mine are all in notepad) this is just a version of that i think. ask falcynn to put a link in his blog too.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4640 Posts
March 19 2008 22:27 GMT
#16
I'm glad you're not condemning me
This neo violence, pure self defiance
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
March 19 2008 22:59 GMT
#17
Virtually all of the clues in the last game were indirect so I don't put too much weight on any obvious links. However, that doesn't stop Chuiu from taking a different clue-writing approach this game so I think it's still worth pointing them out for cross-referencing in the future.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-19 23:13:55
March 19 2008 23:11 GMT
#18
i like the link to me, i would've never thought of it
it's obviously incorrect (gee what else do you expect me to say), but good thinking nevertheless

i suggest still you take my approach to clues (which i abandoned after i flipped vanilla cuz im lazy), which is, go through the player list, and CREATE clues for them. think themes, etc. for me for instance, the themes that could relate to me are games, finishing (because of good game), unexpectedness (proxy), etc.

and when you think you spot a clue, figure out what makes you think it's a clue (for instance, there's a theme of unexpectedness, someone jumped out or something), take that theme and match it against your theme list, and see which people pop up.
it might be more reliable than looking at a clue and see what people can match it, since in that way, you're contriving links because you want them. when you've already made the links, you only look at what is there, not what you want there to be

just an idea
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
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unsoundlogic
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States391 Posts
March 20 2008 02:16 GMT
#19
On March 20 2008 04:59 suresh0t wrote:


Clue: either you're with us or you're permanently not
Suspect: unsoundlogic
Reason: Clue contains unsound logic!


T___T that is so not fair. It makes sense anyway....-_-, either dapperdan worked w mafia or died....
ShadowDrgn
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2497 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-20 03:10:32
March 20 2008 03:10 GMT
#20
On March 20 2008 11:16 unsoundlogic wrote:
T___T that is so not fair. It makes sense anyway....-_-, either dapperdan worked w mafia or died....


Mafia get to vote for the mayor by the way, and we're all supposed to vote. You might want to go do that.
Of course, you only live one life, and you make all your mistakes, and learn what not to do, and that’s the end of you.
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