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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 20:56 GMT
#1
TL should ban anyone that tries to start an atheist christian argument in any format from now. Shit is seriously getting annoying.

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vGl-CoW
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Belgium8305 Posts
December 10 2007 21:01 GMT
#2
im atheist
Moderatorfollow me on twitter if u think ur so tough @BooyaCow
nA.Inky
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States794 Posts
December 10 2007 21:01 GMT
#3
I completely disagree. I enjoy more intense conversation.

I find 95% of the threads on TL annoying. Solution? I do not read them. There is something for everyone here, but that also means a lot of stuff won't please you or I. But that doesn't mean we should start shutting people or threads down.

Variety makes the world, and this website, better.

Email (use instead of PM): InkMeister at aol dot com AIM: InkMeister
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
December 10 2007 21:04 GMT
#4
zulu is totally right
im christian tho...
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-10 21:08:04
December 10 2007 21:07 GMT
#5
On December 11 2007 06:01 nA.Inky wrote:
I completely disagree. I enjoy more intense conversation.

I find 95% of the threads on TL annoying. Solution? I do not read them. There is something for everyone here, but that also means a lot of stuff won't please you or I. But that doesn't mean we should start shutting people or threads down.

Variety makes the world, and this website, better.


This really isn't a place for spiritual trolling and arguments that digress into insults or the typical religion vs. atheism shit. It's been done hundreds of times and it seems to never have an end, despite many bans, closed threads, etc. If you find 95% if TL annoying, and enjoy religious "intense conversation," this isn't the place for you - go find some other serious forums. I think it's reasonable to moderate the quality/quantity of religious debates, including blogs.
Peace~
Diggity
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States806 Posts
December 10 2007 21:07 GMT
#6
lets not make this a long drawn out argument as well, as the irony would make my head explode
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
December 10 2007 21:08 GMT
#7
Just ignore the religion vs science threads.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
December 10 2007 21:09 GMT
#8
On December 11 2007 06:07 Diggity wrote:
lets not make this a long drawn out argument as well, as the irony would make my head explode

This is worth arguing about in my opinion, because if a good argument is made against religious bullshit threads, then perhaps moderators would do something about them from now on, thus resolving many future inane arguments.
Peace~
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 21:09 GMT
#9
intense conversation lol, LOL is all i have to say
ilovezil
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States4143 Posts
December 10 2007 21:10 GMT
#10
On December 11 2007 06:07 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2007 06:01 nA.Inky wrote:
I completely disagree. I enjoy more intense conversation.

I find 95% of the threads on TL annoying. Solution? I do not read them. There is something for everyone here, but that also means a lot of stuff won't please you or I. But that doesn't mean we should start shutting people or threads down.

Variety makes the world, and this website, better.


This really isn't a place for spiritual trolling and arguments that digress into insults or the typical religion vs. atheism shit. It's been done hundreds of times and it seems to never have an end, despite many bans, closed threads, etc. If you find 95% if TL annoying, and enjoy religious "intense conversation," this isn't the place for you - go find some other serious forums. I think it's reasonable to moderate the quality/quantity of religious debates, including blogs.


Same suggestion: ignore thread. You can't discount religion as something that belongs to these forums as much as, for example, a tech thread can.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-10 21:22:40
December 10 2007 21:22 GMT
#11
I'm not cool enough to just ignore them I think those threads are annoying and need to stop all of you guys who get caught up in them suck
Payt
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada582 Posts
December 10 2007 21:23 GMT
#12
On December 11 2007 06:22 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I'm not cool enough to just ignore them I think those threads are annoying and need to stop all of you guys who get caught up in them suck
Yeah, but if they're kept to a blog, I don't think it's really fair to tell people what they can/can't post, as long as it's not gruesomely innapropriate
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 21:26 GMT
#13
i'm not really directing this at the blog next to mine, mostly just towards these kinds of debates in general going back to a long time ago, and obv i'm not commanding you guys on what to do, the gyst of the post is that I find these kinds of arguments annoying but I cleverly disguised that message in a sarcastic command aimed to achieve humor in those who agree with me.
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 10 2007 21:30 GMT
#14
i would rather see nonserious boring spam threads halted, but if not that, i would rather everyone able to freely have the kind of conversations they want, as much as possible, as long as it isn't harming anyone. why do religious conversations annoy you?
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 21:36 GMT
#15
because you guys make the same points over and over again and call it "intense conversation"
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 10 2007 21:38 GMT
#16
I am seeking out honest discussion between people who may have different viewpoints. What is the alternative you suggest for serious topics? Utter silence? You want people to be banned for daring to open communication lines between Christians and atheists? Should we segregate society too?
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
December 10 2007 21:41 GMT
#17
I don't understand why you can't keep it to one thread / blog, like the MBS thread in the SC2 forum. Why is there a blog "I'm an antheist" when he could have made that point in any of the 90000 other religious blogs? It spams the blog sections, and essentially burries the non-philosphical-debate blogs.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 21:44 GMT
#18
I don't actually want you guys banned I made a sarcastic statement for fuck's sake, can you tell? and why are you acting like i'm trying to shut down some great intellectual communication you're making? You guys argue about literally the exact same shit every thread and think you're actually saying something. You're not opening communication between Christians and atheists sir, you're a normal person who's interested in religion talking about god with other 13 year old korean kids who go to church every sunday and believing in god, I don't think that's on par with the kind of intense conversation you think you're actually having. And segragate society WHERE THE FUCK DOES THAT COME FROM? ARE YOU ACCUSING ME OF BEING A RACIST?
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-10 21:48:26
December 10 2007 21:46 GMT
#19
On December 11 2007 06:41 Chill wrote:
I don't understand why you can't keep it to one thread / blog, like the MBS thread in the SC2 forum. Why is there a blog "I'm an antheist" when he could have made that point in any of the 90000 other religious blogs? It spams the blog sections, and essentially burries the non-philosphical-debate blogs.


Because those blogs are old, filled with other stuff, framed differently, and most of the points in them are made by people who are no longer active. It's like saying, why write your own book, when you can just pencil it into the margins of a Harry Potter book.

New conversations are an important option for a forum, and the previous ones are hardly definitive. If you require us to make a comprehensive study of every thread and blog made on the topic and sum it up and respond to each one before we can strike up an internet conversation of our own, you would utterly kill the site, because none of us has time to write our own Summa Theologica for each topic we want to chat about.

At least let us have conversations in the blogs. My new blog didn't bury any active blogs related to my content. And if there were two religious blogs going on at the same time, that would be a good thing, because we would have deeper conversations running parallel to one another (as these two topics have done). You should see that what happened between these two topics would not be possible were they both forced to go on within the same thread. Take that point, and expand it, and you can see how having multiple threads is a good thing for all those involved.

And as for the MBS threads, for instance, you can see the harm they have done. When you force all MBS discussion into the same thread, you make the thread unreadable, meaning all participation will either require an insurmountable amount of work, or ignore most of what it is "responding to." It is better to allow multiple discussions on the same topic. Otherwise we do not have the option of re-framing a topic, or dissecting it into smaller and smaller questions to discuss.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-10 21:54:18
December 10 2007 21:50 GMT
#20
I mean that sounds great in theory, but in practice I haven't ever seen that happen. You just get multiple threads about the same thing. I don't really care because I just ignore them, but I think the current system isn't ideal.

Edit: I actually think the MBS thread model is ideal. It starts with a group of people talking about a subject. Slowly, people lose interest as the thread grows, and now there is a core group talking amongst themselves. The barrier to enter that thread gets higher, so someone wanting to bring up a new topic can either a) not post it, or b) glance over the background in the thread and then post. The current system allows option c) ignore all previous content and post your thread. I suppose that's fine, but I do think there are consequences of operating like that. Do the positives outweight the negatives? I don't know. As I said before, I simply ignore all these philosophical debate threads.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 21:57 GMT
#21
Luggy this is what it comes down to, I'm really sorry for being offensive but, I think all of you guys who think you're having deep conversations about religion are morons making the same arguments over and over. I get that conclusion from reading many many religion debates on TL over the years. This blog post isn't aimed to convince that you guys are morons but merely making a statement that you guys are for those who already agree with me. So yea
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-10 22:25:35
December 10 2007 22:00 GMT
#22
edit: apparently not
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25996 Posts
December 10 2007 22:02 GMT
#23
Freedom of conscience entails more dangers than zombies and ninjas.
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 22:05 GMT
#24
because they are lol? From reading many many religion threads I've made the observation that most of them are of the same type, thus I make a statement that most of them are the same type, and once again what the fuck does Foucault have to do with this?
Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
December 10 2007 22:07 GMT
#25
WE LEARN MORE BY ARGUING WITH EACH OTHER
Dea : one time when he was playing vs the comps he asked me "how do I make that flying unit that makes the other stuff invisible" and I reply "ur playing terran zomg"
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 10 2007 22:09 GMT
#26
On December 11 2007 06:50 Chill wrote:
Edit: I actually think the MBS thread model is ideal. It starts with a group of people talking about a subject. Slowly, people lose interest as the thread grows, and now there is a core group talking amongst themselves. The barrier to enter that thread gets higher, so someone wanting to bring up a new topic can either a) not post it, or b) glance over the background in the thread and then post. The current system allows option c) ignore all previous content and post your thread. I suppose that's fine, but I do think there are consequences of operating like that. Do the positives outweight the negatives? I don't know. As I said before, I simply ignore all these philosophical debate threads.

Ideal for a research think tank, maybe. But at TL we have threads about 5 favorite bands, clown walkers, current events, etc. Maybe to a reader two topics on the same thing might seem repetitive. But why not let those different people have those discussions? The point is to let people meet eachother and talk, not create ultimate truth in document form on every possible topic. It's a community, not a job. While I think it's important for people to contribute to a thread in the way expected or get out, I think TLnet should have enough room for them to not only get out of that thread, but to go make their own one if they like, at least as a blog post, and let the different types of threads compete. Say you want to make a topic to get to the bottom of the moral questions of Vick's case. Someone else might have a completely different take and not want to spend hours fighting yours. Why not let him? Does that really harm the site as a community-builder?

I think what happens more of the time is an option d): ignore some of the content in the current thread, but post your comments to it. In fact the majority of all participation on this site follows this formula out of necessity. It would be better if we demanded people admit what they actually read, and to start a sub-thread if they did not want to read it all. But if you want to try to have it both ways, I think we get neither. Instead we get people pretending to have read more than they did.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-12-10 22:25:04
December 10 2007 22:11 GMT
#27
edit: apparently not
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 22:15 GMT
#28
what the fuck are you talking about? are you like, trying to avoid backing up retarded stuff you said by writing even more retarded stuff?
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 10 2007 22:23 GMT
#29
yes
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 22:28 GMT
#30
ok so you say something about foucault, then avoid explaining it in greater detail because you don't have the ability to do so and just made a dumb retarded fucking statement, great job keep on arguing those religion threads
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 10 2007 22:30 GMT
#31
yes you win i'm a moron you've proven all religious threads are the same thing, morons thinking they're having a good discussion when actually they aren't. thanks for helping me out.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 10 2007 22:35 GMT
#32
when i can't respond to something I don't sarcastically agree with the other person for the effect of being condescending, that's the lowest fucking level in a conversation, imagining someone doing that to you, do you not have the urge to punch that person?
lugggy
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
450 Posts
December 10 2007 22:39 GMT
#33
that's how this started anyways. i'm simply joining you. let's party down here in the mud. this whole blog is some sarcastic thing apparently. 你是马俄国人吗? Let's punch eachother... idk Show me some threads that you approve of.
A little effort please, this isnt a forum for just posting every link on the internet.
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
December 11 2007 00:06 GMT
#34
Freedom of religion breeds mass internet stupidity.
Peace~
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