Obviously we're sad she's not around anymore. But we're also happy because we know that death is not the end, and that life here on earth is temporary anyway, everyone has to go someday. There's always hope. She would want us to be happy too, because she knew this.

IdrA

United States11541 Posts

November 30 2007 06:29 GMT

guess its comforting to be able to fool yourself.

nA.Inky

United States794 Posts

November 30 2007 07:13 GMT

Idra: no need to be so harsh. He's a religious man and he believes in heaven. You don't have to agree with him about any of that, but the fact is, if you believe in heaven, and you believe your dead friend is there, then that's not such a bad thing.

JesusCruxRH: I am really sorry to hear about your friend. Wow, it's just horrible.

I'd like to say that I *greatly* admire you and the others of your church for praying for forgiveness for the killer. It is amazing how often compassion and forgiveness and acceptance can transform evil into good. There is profound wisdom in that particular teaching from Jesus.

IdrA

United States11541 Posts

November 30 2007 07:28 GMT

idiotic beliefs shouldnt get a free pass just because theyre religious.

KH1031

United States862 Posts

November 30 2007 07:35 GMT

May her soul rest in peace.

OverTheUnder

United States2929 Posts

November 30 2007 07:39 GMT

On November 30 2007 16:28 IdrA wrote:
idiotic beliefs shouldnt get a free pass just because theyre religious.

yea, but as far as not being sad when someone dies, most people react the same whether they are religious or not. I mean, I personally feel sad, but I also spend a lot of time reflecting on my memories of that person. I feel pretty happy while doing this too.

I obviously understand the dangers in "decreasing" the value of life (suicide bombers, extc.), but I am just talking about the emotions people may feel after a death.

Why should people feel nothing but sorrow when someone dies?:o

IdrA

United States11541 Posts

November 30 2007 07:45 GMT

#10

ya i understand that, how some people treat funerals as parties and remembering all the good times with the person.
but he is actually happy she is dead, happy she is gone and her life is over. not happy because hes reflecting on the good times. thats just sick.

OverTheUnder

United States2929 Posts

November 30 2007 07:52 GMT

#11

On November 30 2007 16:45 IdrA wrote:
ya i understand that, how some people treat funerals as parties and remembering all the good times with the person.
but he is actually happy she is dead, happy she is gone and her life is over. not happy because hes reflecting on the good times. thats just sick.

i agree, but in this specific situation, it is merely a harmless afterthought. You could always attack his religious belief at a more tactful time too, instead of in his blog about his friend dying;( Or make your own blog post citing this one.

just saying;x

KH1031

United States862 Posts

November 30 2007 07:56 GMT

#12

Who are we to judge how one ought to live one's own life?

Idra you are imposing your own set of values onto someone else. I do not find that appreciative especially when you flat out trolls someone else's blog. . .

Meta

United States6225 Posts

November 30 2007 08:48 GMT

#13

Sometimes the things you say are so foreign and preposterous to me that I find it hard to believe you arn't putting on some charade for the internet. I don't mean to be insensitive, but damnit, it's inhuman for you to be so okay with your friend dying. Death from an atheist's point of view is the absolute end, the cease-to-exist part of existance, and therefore murder is the single worst possible crime imaginable. The last thing I would do is "pray" for the killer. I'm dumbfounded that you blind any hint of remorse with beliefs based on what essentially amounts to nothing. I could never, ever bring myself to stoop to that level to avoid grievance over the loss of a friend.

But, to each his own I guess. RIP, whatever that means.

In defense of Irda (because I know where he's coming from), this is the best possible place to respond to a post that begot that particular reaction. Why should he be required to cite this post in a blog of his own, even given the circumstances? It's not like RH showed any less remorse for the victim than Irda did, afterall.

JesusCruxRH

New Zealand159 Posts

November 30 2007 10:42 GMT

#14

There was an episode of Boston Public where one of the teachers started up a suicide club, where students could come in to discuss their emotional issues after school. One of them later died, and the parents were angry because the teacher didn't show up at his funeral. At the end of the episode he was in his office late at night by himself crying.

I can understand what you're saying, that if you don't believe in religion then you wouldn't accept an afterlife. The purpose of this post was pretty much just a reminder, like Peter wrote, to live good lives. A reminder mostly for myself. As soon as we stop caring that's when we become inhuman. We Christians pray for the murderer because we see him as family, and we pray he can find it in his heart to say sorry to her. Don't mistake my silence for insensitivity - FYI she had been missing for a whole week and we were worried sick.

I don't speak on behalf of all Christians when I say this though but I'm not devastated. Jesus taught us not to get too attached to the world, despite all the wonderful things that are here, like friends and family, the place they truly reside are not on this earth. I'm not grieving because I believe I'll see her again someday, and that she is with the One who loves her most. I didn't mention this before but she was also deaf, and even just from reading the responses to this thread I know she needed more protection from the world than the rest of us, and we couldn't always provide it (for example, she would get hurt really easily if someone told her: "what the fuck is wrong with you", simply for being a Christian, when she has never done anything mean to others and was always a good friend). I'm not trying to judge you Idra, but in the future perhaps it would be better to respond like: "I don't believe in God so she's gone forever, it sucks but that's just the way it is". You'd get your point across without being mean, otherwise you're no better than those Christians who protest at gay funerals.

JesusCruxRH

New Zealand159 Posts

November 30 2007 10:57 GMT

#15

By the way, thanks nA.Inky.

ZoDD

Canada309 Posts

November 30 2007 11:33 GMT

#16

rip
i don't believe in heaven but I'm sure theres peace in death.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimethyltryptamine

The brain releases this and causes hallucinations when you die or are about to die, so I guess you can experience something a little out of this world too, even if you don't care for religion.

Snet

United States3573 Posts

November 30 2007 14:05 GMT

#17

On November 30 2007 15:22 IdrA wrote:
see? that is whats fucked up about religion.
you're happy your friend died. what the fuck is wrong with you

I agree with you, it's really depressing.

But, whatever floats your boat, sorry your friend got killed.

Chill

Calgary25990 Posts

November 30 2007 15:08 GMT

#18

On November 30 2007 19:42 JesusCruxRH wrote:
There was an episode of Boston Public where one of the teachers started up a suicide club, where students could come in to discuss their emotional issues after school. One of them later died, and the parents were angry because the teacher didn't show up at his funeral. At the end of the episode he was in his office late at night by himself crying.

What? I think this confirms my suspicion that you have no idea what the fuck is going on.