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On November 19 2007 14:27 Rev0lution wrote:
if there was a bit of evidence for the existance of god i would start believing. But trust me if such god were to exist i would tell him fuck you for 9/11 and fuck you for the tsunami and fuck you for katrina.
Any reason why you chose those in particular? Just because they are most recent? How about all the atrocities committed specifically in God's name (besides 9/11)?
Although, even if a divine being does exist, and allowed all of those events to occur, he's probably not the kind of guy I want to curse at.
Edit: BTW, how exactly does the big bang theory show the lack of a need for a divine creator?
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On November 19 2007 14:35 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2007 14:27 Rev0lution wrote:
if there was a bit of evidence for the existance of god i would start believing. But trust me if such god were to exist i would tell him fuck you for 9/11 and fuck you for the tsunami and fuck you for katrina.
Any reason why you chose those in particular? Just because they are most recent? How about all the atrocities committed specifically in God's name (besides 9/11)? Although, even if a divine being does exist, and allowed all of those events to occur, he's probably not the kind of guy I want to curse at. Edit: BTW, how exactly does the big bang theory show the lack of a need for a divine creator?
lol, it doesn't really, it just raises more questions;D
Evolution was obviously a key step though because it showed that the first cause of the universe wouldn't have to be an intelligent, all powerful being;o
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On November 19 2007 14:46 OverTheUnder wrote:
Evolution was obviously a key step though because it showed that the first cause of the universe wouldn't have to be an intelligent, all powerful being;o Evolution doesn't really talk about the universe... It's just talking about the progress of organisms.
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Here's the problem.
Some investigative journalist or maybe some kid posting on a forum (perhaps like you!) thinks suddenly by piecing together snippets of psuedoscience and reasoning he reads from across the internet/books/"experts" that suddenly he has constructed a logically sound and reasonable portrayal of how life works.
Let me an analogy here - just because everyone may have some sort opinion from what they have gathered, they certainly are not experts nor should they be granted any sort of interest. Would you listen to some random poster here or Slayers_Boxer if you wanted to get an understanding about how to think about TvP? If the same investigative journalist came out with some set of psuedoscience postulating certain characteristics about non-Newtonian liquids, would you even consider their work? But somehow, just because the purpose of life is closer to home for each of us, we are suddenly experts?
People devote their lives to studying difficult and complex subjects that get closer to understanding how the world works around us. They are called scientists and mathematicians. The fact that people think they can deduce and reason from a set of approximations from a book written before calculus and modern chemistry should be a terrible terrible thought.
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Rebelheart is like the best troll ever. All he has to do is make a post, content regardless.
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Whenever someone tries to pose the "god's existance" problem is a scientific question, he proves he doesn't know shit.
For definintions on what is scientific and what is not, refer to Popper and neopositivists. It's fucking high school standard philosophy course, and that guy didn't read it.
Author is ingorant, book not worth reading.
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re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
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1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe
Atheism is a religion. It's an issue of semantics, but most would consider it a religion that believes no God exists.
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On November 19 2007 14:46 OverTheUnder wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2007 14:35 micronesia wrote:On November 19 2007 14:27 Rev0lution wrote:
if there was a bit of evidence for the existance of god i would start believing. But trust me if such god were to exist i would tell him fuck you for 9/11 and fuck you for the tsunami and fuck you for katrina.
Any reason why you chose those in particular? Just because they are most recent? How about all the atrocities committed specifically in God's name (besides 9/11)? Although, even if a divine being does exist, and allowed all of those events to occur, he's probably not the kind of guy I want to curse at. Edit: BTW, how exactly does the big bang theory show the lack of a need for a divine creator? lol, it doesn't really, it just raises more questions;D Evolution was obviously a key step though because it showed that the first cause of the universe wouldn't have to be an intelligent, all powerful being;o Evolution and the big bang are totally separate. The Big Bang isn't even a first cause. Many people don't think a self perpetuating first cause can exist (everything comes from something) and there's no way to convince them otherwise in 2007.
People devote their lives to studying difficult and complex subjects that get closer to understanding how the world works around us. They are called scientists and mathematicians. The fact that people think they can deduce and reason from a set of approximations from a book written before calculus and modern chemistry should be a terrible terrible thought.
The Intelligent Design folks try to incorporate all the science we have into their thesis. The big attack they use is the Explanatory Filter that I brought up before. It breaks down science into three categories - the first being things explainable by natural law (the biggest group), things that happened because of chance and finally the unexplainable, supposedly touched by God. The main thing they like to talk about is the cellular structure of the bacteria flagellum which is unbelievably complicated and was almost infinitely unlikely to be created according to modern day science, therefore it didn't follow the natural law evolutionary step and "God made it."
The problem like I mentioned before is that in 50 years, we'll have a much, much, much, much, much better understanding of it than we do today so writing things off because we don't know today is absurd.
The other big issue is that assuming ID DOES exist, there's absolutely no way for us to differentiate between the acts of God and natural law. Gravity may consistently adhere to scientific testing but it could be due to God's touch and we would never know.
Also, ID does absolutely nothing to show the Christian God exists and even goes against it in some ways.
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Jibba What you are basically say is that for whatever shits we don't understand we just lable it "god did it" and then call it a theory without needing to do any investigation.
If you give me an example of your Intelligent design that incorporate all the science as your evidence to your claim then we can debate, if not then you are just another one of the millions of American.
another thing is that quoting the definition from dictionary.com doesn't make it legit, Even under your quote from the dictionary which states that a "set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe" Atheism doesn't care about the purpose of the universe,
Therefore, when you said "Atheism is a religion. It's an issue of semantics, but most would consider it a religion that believes no God exists." you are conflicting with your quote which you used to back up your claim.
PS. please don't play on the definition of the words to support your idea, 30 years ago the word Gay=happy, today the word gay=homosexual. See how the definition can change?
like I say if you want to debate with me bring me an example of ID that is supported by science, inorder to support your claim, then we can debate in even grounds, cause right now your arguement is without evidence.
go read some of my comments on this threat ( http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=59838 ) if you want to debate with me, you have to first understand what i'm basing my reasoning off first so you can construct a better arguement against science and for your GoD
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The truth is, far from Dawkins’ and others’ claims, there’s a growing, gnawing, accelerating suspicion within the scientific community that God may indeed exist and – horrors – be engaging with the natural world.
The author had better have some pretty big sources to back up claims like these. If this was poker, I would reraise him all-in -_-.
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On November 19 2007 18:34 Energies wrote:
Rebelheart is like the best troll ever. All he has to do is make a post, content regardless.
it's the same crap every time, just freshly polished and repackaged to look like new. thats why.
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wow people totally misread my post lol. (probably bad wording on my part.)
@ jibba
I wasn't trying to put the big bang and evolution together, just making 2 separate comments.
@micro, I'm just saying that evolution gave us a process through which things can become more complex.
I don't really get your point, at the time intelligent design was the leading "theory" and evolution simply provided a scientific alternative:O I never said evolution has anything to do with the universe.
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On November 19 2007 20:36 Jibba wrote:
re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe
Atheism is a religion. It's an issue of semantics, but most would consider it a religion that believes no God exists.
what do atheist believe is the purpose of the universe?
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On November 20 2007 05:54 Rev0lution wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2007 20:36 Jibba wrote:
re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe
Atheism is a religion. It's an issue of semantics, but most would consider it a religion that believes no God exists. what do atheist believe is the purpose of the universe? Without backing anything up, I'd think atheists as a whole don't believe the universe has any purpose at all.
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The universe is a given, not some grand masterplan. It's all too human to think in terms of purpose.
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On November 19 2007 14:27 Rev0lution wrote:
if there was a bit of evidence for the existance of god i would start believing. But trust me if such god were to exist i would tell him fuck you for 9/11 and fuck you for the tsunami and fuck you for katrina.
Saying fuck you god is the new atheist trend ? im sick of this language seriously.
And why would you make those accusations if you havent read the bible, I think theres an explanation for those things.
God made a perfect world. Humanity corrupt themselves with it in te beginning.
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On November 20 2007 02:42 rei wrote:Jibba What you are basically say is that for whatever shits we don't understand we just lable it "god did it" and then call it a theory without needing to do any investigation. If you give me an example of your Intelligent design that incorporate all the science as your evidence to your claim then we can debate, if not then you are just another one of the millions of American. another thing is that quoting the definition from dictionary.com doesn't make it legit, Even under your quote from the dictionary which states that a "set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe" Atheism doesn't care about the purpose of the universe, Therefore, when you said "Atheism is a religion. It's an issue of semantics, but most would consider it a religion that believes no God exists." you are conflicting with your quote which you used to back up your claim. PS. please don't play on the definition of the words to support your idea, 30 years ago the word Gay=happy, today the word gay=homosexual. See how the definition can change? like I say if you want to debate with me bring me an example of ID that is supported by science, inorder to support your claim, then we can debate in even grounds, cause right now your arguement is without evidence. go read some of my comments on this threat ( http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=59838 ) if you want to debate with me, you have to first understand what i'm basing my reasoning off first so you can construct a better arguement against science and for your GoD You didn't even properly read my post, so I'm just going to assume you're an idiot.
I don't believe in Intelligent Design. I explained ID because most people here (especially you) don't understand how it works and the book is all about it, and then I pointed out two major flaws in the theory.
Given that you're an idiot, I probably could win a debate with you about ID, even though I don't believe in the crap.
The definition of religion is absolutely important because everyone interprets the word differently. A theist is one who believes in God, atheist being one who doesn't believe in God. I consider it a religion as do many other people, including the United States Legal System.
On November 20 2007 04:35 OverTheUnder wrote:
I don't really get your point, at the time intelligent design was the leading "theory" and evolution simply provided a scientific alternative:O I never said evolution has anything to do with the universe.
ID is totally separate from Creationism. ID was created after the evolution theory as a response because evolution blew creationism out of the water.
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On November 20 2007 05:54 Rev0lution wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2007 20:36 Jibba wrote:
re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe
Atheism is a religion. It's an issue of semantics, but most would consider it a religion that believes no God exists. what do atheist believe is the purpose of the universe? Depends who you ask. A nihilist would say there is no purpose.
I'm in the school of thought of men like Bertrand Russel/Plato that man's purpose is a self-made one to reach for higher ideals like goodness, logic, science, beauty and reject selfishness and petty troubles. It's still possible to have hope even if you don't believe in God. I think it would be a pretty sad world if you didn't.
God made a perfect world. Humanity corrupt themselves with it in te beginning. God made humanity thus God created an imperfection. How can a perfect being (God) make something imperfect (humans)?
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On November 20 2007 07:55 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2007 05:54 Rev0lution wrote:On November 19 2007 20:36 Jibba wrote:
re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe
Atheism is a religion. It's an issue of semantics, but most would consider it a religion that believes no God exists. what do atheist believe is the purpose of the universe? Depends who you ask. A nihilist would say there is no purpose. I'm in the school of thought of men like Bertrand Russel/Plato that man's purpose is a self-made one to reach for higher ideals like goodness, logic, science, beauty and reject selfishness and petty troubles. It's still possible to have hope even if you don't believe in God. I think it would be a pretty sad world if you didn't. Show nested quote +God made a perfect world. Humanity corrupt themselves with it in te beginning. God made humanity thus God created an imperfection. How can a perfect being (God) make something imperfect (humans)?
Because God gave us "free will" to choose between bad and good. God didnt made monkeys for him to enjoy.
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On November 20 2007 08:11 TesisMech wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2007 07:55 Jibba wrote:On November 20 2007 05:54 Rev0lution wrote:On November 19 2007 20:36 Jibba wrote:
re·li·gion /rɪˈlɪdʒən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ri-lij-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe
Atheism is a religion. It's an issue of semantics, but most would consider it a religion that believes no God exists. what do atheist believe is the purpose of the universe? Depends who you ask. A nihilist would say there is no purpose. I'm in the school of thought of men like Bertrand Russel/Plato that man's purpose is a self-made one to reach for higher ideals like goodness, logic, science, beauty and reject selfishness and petty troubles. It's still possible to have hope even if you don't believe in God. I think it would be a pretty sad world if you didn't. God made a perfect world. Humanity corrupt themselves with it in te beginning. God made humanity thus God created an imperfection. How can a perfect being (God) make something imperfect (humans)? Because God gave us "free will" to choose between bad and good. God didnt made monkeys for him to enjoy. If I'm not mistaken Jehovah is omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient. How can we have free will if God is omniscient of all things past, present and future?
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