EPTOn dishonesty - Page 2
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DM8
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Jerubaal
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17261 Posts
On July 30 2020 22:43 DM8 wrote: the dynamics of heterogeneous lovemaking include the ecstatic dissolution of the male self in the female mind. it may be narcissistic to have fun without dissolving through human principles " you never open your mouth .... 'til you know what the shot is" Ricky Roma is my spirit animal. | ||
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DM8
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Simberto
Germany11749 Posts
On July 31 2020 02:03 DM8 wrote: u only need community if you're not ensure with the ghost Are you actually a spambot trying to get your post count up? | ||
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DM8
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12389 Posts
On July 31 2020 02:07 Simberto wrote: Are you actually a spambot trying to get your post count up? Seems likely | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On July 29 2020 07:02 Nebuchad wrote: One thing I don't really understand about human interactions is why people think it's a bigger insult to question someone's integrity than their intelligence. I don't think this is true at all. I have met people who would admit that they acted dishonestly / cheated / tricked / lied when they know that the person they acted this way against will not know about the confession, but I have never met anyone who would say that they lacked the mental capacity to understand something. I'd posit that your assumption is based solely on the way people react when their integrity or their intelligence are questioned. In the case of the former you will often get a strong reaction while the latter will often be shrugged away. I guess that this stems from the following issue: Everybody has a perception of what is right or wrong; everybody has some kind of a moral compass. Assuming you are not dealing with psychopaths that have no perception of right and wrong, nobody will want to be placed on the "wrong" side of the spectrum - be it because they truly believe that they are right or be it because they do not want to reveal their iniquity - and they will argue that they are not on the "wrong" side. If you question somebody's intelligence they may be irked about it, but internally they will believe that this is not true and may just shrug you off. There was a quote I vaguely remember and according to google it was Decartes who said: "Common sense is the most widely shared commodity in the world, for every man is convinced that he is well supplied with it." Basically, I am trying to say that everybody has some kind of a concept of how it is appropriate to behave (and thus be able to and willing to argue about how to behave), but people will not be able to understand that they lack the mental capacity for a certain idea or concept, because they simply lack the mental capacity to do so (and thus they will internally instantly discard the notion that they may be lacking the intellect/understanding and shrug it off). | ||
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Simberto
Germany11749 Posts
For example, i have personally met a lot of people who not only willingly admitted, but who were actually somehow proud of not being able to understand maths. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26255 Posts
On July 31 2020 15:42 Simberto wrote: I dispute your assumption that there are no people who willingly admit that they are stupid. For example, i have personally met a lot of people who not only willingly admitted, but who were actually somehow proud of not being able to understand maths. I find that extremely irksome, does my head in. That said I find something like sucking at maths doesn’t hold much link with the other values or worth as a person. Where those things do intersect (such as political views) good luck having someone admit they’re wrong. Interesting blog Neb! | ||
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Uldridge
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Sometimes the truth is too much work or too much to handle so we won't/can't pursue it. | ||
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DM8
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DM8
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17261 Posts
On August 01 2020 01:42 Uldridge wrote: Perhaps? Seems like a grey area to me, like telling a white lie to keep the peace or not to upset someone. Sometimes the truth is too much work or too much to handle so we won't/can't pursue it. mark twain said ... “It's Easier to Fool People Than It Is to Convince Them That They Have Been Fooled.” | ||
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ggrrg
Bulgaria2716 Posts
On July 31 2020 15:42 Simberto wrote: I dispute your assumption that there are no people who willingly admit that they are stupid. For example, i have personally met a lot of people who not only willingly admitted, but who were actually somehow proud of not being able to understand maths. There is quite a difference between admiting that one lacks a particular skill or is bad in a certain field and admiting that one is generally stupid. Not being able to understand maths is normally viewed as irrelevant (and for most practical purposes it is) so people will willingly admit that. Not to mention that proficiency in mathematics is easily quantifiable (e.g. performance in school). Logical reasoning on the other hand is more abstract and outside of specialized tests not commonly evaluated. Thus people will believe that they are acting/reasoning in a logical manner even if by objective critirea they would qualify as mentally challenged. Trying to break that belief is an exercise in futility since they simply do not have the mental capacity to understand a given concept. Getting people to admit that they are not able to do even basic maths is easy, but getting these very same people to admit they are just all around stupid for believing some outrageous fake news claims or conspiracy theories they read about on facebook is nigh impossible. Admitting a weakness (especially one the person regards as irrelevant) is one thing, but admitting that one is stupid so one's views on most topics are by all likelihood wrong and certainly not based on any logical reasoning is a whole different ball game. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Even then, with intelligence, ideologically opposite persons will doubt and demean intelligence as a proxy for expressing frustration. Our best arguments, that we believe are rooted in intellectual discussion, just feel like they aren't landing right when they're cast aside by our debating opponents. The temptation is to declare the other to be lacking in intelligence. Your first example expresses a desire for someone to come back at you with logical argument. Can sex sexual preference be rooted in narcissism, but race, handicap, gender identity, first language, geographical development be not narcissist? Maybe that's a debate they didn't want to engage in. My honest belief is that this person thinks people who have a different sexual orientation are less human, but he can't say it because that's politically incorrect so he has to make up a stupid justification for why he hates them, instead. I can honestly say I think you're only saying this because you need to believe enemies of yours are dehumanizing others to support your own worldview. That's my honest belief about your beliefs about others. But is that a question of intelligence or integrity? | ||
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