• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:44
CEST 05:44
KST 12:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End6Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2915Serral wins Maestros of the Game 244ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles2GSTL Returns in 2026!44Weekly Cups (Aug 3-9): Protoss get shut out7RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-2212Weekly Cups (July 27-Aug 2): SHIN's big week0
StarCraft 2
General
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) GSTL Returns in 2026! SC4ALL II: SC2 Player Announcement 6/8 - Maru Weekly Cups (August 10-16): SHIN doubles
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) 2026 GSTL Announcement PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August) WardiTV Mondays 2026 KungFu Cup Announcement
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 539 Thunder Dome Mutation # 538 Media Blackout Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory
Brood War
General
[Personal Project Share] Terran Defense v0.60 SC4ALL II: Brood War Player Announcement 3/4 - soO BW General Discussion Rush's Odyssey Controversy [ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro24 Group B [ASL22] Ro24 Group A Small VOD Thread 2.0 CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation Fighting Spirit mining rates Any training maps people recommend? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Anyone here play Quakeworld back in the day? Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread The Letting Off Steam Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Northern Ireland Global Starcraft
Blogs
LOCKPICKING NOOB
LUCKY_NOOB
Chinese Gen Z: Between Dream…
TrAiDoS
Cathedral Of CS And NY pizza a…
FuDDx
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
Hello guys!
LIN1s
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 5817 users

Virgin arc vs chad warden

Blogs > ahw
Post a Reply
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 17:48:58
April 02 2019 17:33 GMT
#1
[image loading]

old/traditional arc

So the build that became the de-facto over the last year or so was the necro1-Midas-mjol-bots-etc build leveraging the CDR talent / hp talent. Essentially you would greed out your books and farm jungle/lane, and become a serious problem once your mjol comes up. Post-patch, when wraiths were the thing, this build just added a few wraiths and kept on as normal. AW got a few nerfs to his clone bounty, (and a Midas nerf, and tower gold nerf, and book nerf...) and the hero’s been more or less neutered for months.


The virgin warden vs chad arc build


Virgin AW: wraith-necro1-Midas-mjol-bots + CDr + hp
this guy is built to lose pub Dota games but win high level / pro games

Virgin AW needed plenty of space. In higher level or coordinated games its more manageable, but AW becomes a massive liability if he doesn’t get the space he needs. Necro1/Midas minimum.

Virgin AW can’t fight early. Even in a good lane / mu, aw can’t really commit to defending towers or pushing because he’s slow and has no escape. And on top of that, the enemy knows that slowing him down is important for winning. So it’s dangerous. At minimum, you’d want to have your book up with a few wraith bands.

Virgin AW can’t play from behind. Problem is he starts feeding gold and xp like crazy — if caught out, an AW clone can easily feed 400+ gold if his books get caught. And then their cores get exponentially further ahead. Virgin AW has XP trouble in games where he isn’t ahead.


Chad AW: wraith-wraith-treads-(Midas)-mael-blink + AS talent + q range
this guy is built to kill people and snowball

Chad AW makes his own space. By leveraging your strong laning (good range, animation, dmg, and sparks), you build early stat items and win lanes. Supports gank you and then die because you are a strong man full of power and hatred. They know how to play vs virgin AW, but they cannot handle the chad.

Chad AW spends the early game looking for fights and actively controlling the game because his spells are very strong early and his ult makes two chads instead of one. Chad AW is ready to go at lv 10 with treads, wraith bands, and a wand. Chad AW buys a Midas at 12 minutes because he wiped the enemy team and wants to celebrate with a golden hand. Or maybe he doesn’t buy one at all and just gets more killing items.

Chad AW can play without a huge lead because he adds a lot of damage to team fights at all stages of the game. Treads + AS talent provides 60(!) attack speed and 10 dmg that AW players don’t usually have. And 60 attack speed times 2 stat based arc wardens is a lot of damage.

why is now the time of the chad warden?

If you cannot depend on your team to make space, this opening build is going to get you in to a favourable mid game position.

People underestimate AW early / mid game because they don’t play against stat-based AW builds often. They hurt a lot. Icefrog recently buffed the attack speed talent to +30 at lv 10, while buffing arc’s agility gain.

New tempest double at 18 gives you an extra 6 seconds of time. This extra time makes bots less important, in my opinion, because the mobility from blink will let you siege and push waves out.

fixing passive mindset

Generally i think this hero is played pretty passively and it makes it really hard for your team to play around. By opting for early aggressive items you can play with your team more and threaten objectives while still keeping your farm speed up and transitioning. Ur arc warden, so going late is rarely a problem anyway.
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
April 02 2019 17:45 GMT
#2
Man I’ve gotta say i could be a photoshop professional
Pontual
Profile Joined October 2016
Brazil3038 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-02 18:58:22
April 02 2019 18:58 GMT
#3
5 stars for chad warden
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 03 2019 03:51 GMT
#4
ill try this sometime
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Sassback
Profile Joined September 2012
United States718 Posts
April 04 2019 04:26 GMT
#5
Supports gank you and then die because you are a strong man full of power and hatred.

Best line of the guide. That alone has me convinced this build is the truth!
Every night I pray for TL to give me my SAD Boys flair, and every morning I wake up disappointed.
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-04 16:24:45
April 04 2019 15:58 GMT
#6
On April 04 2019 13:26 Sassback wrote:
Show nested quote +
Supports gank you and then die because you are a strong man full of power and hatred.

Best line of the guide. That alone has me convinced this build is the truth!


It’s hard fact: at 10 minutes most virgin arcs are sitting without boots with 1k gold banked for midas — prime for the gank squad.

Chad warden has been lifting heavy buyin stats and is ready to fuck with a meaty double
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 05 2019 08:02 GMT
#7
i actually like the 30% attack speed talent a lot now
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
monirjibon005
Profile Joined April 2019
1 Post
Last Edited: 2019-04-06 10:38:49
April 06 2019 10:38 GMT
#8
Bot edit.

User was banned for this post.
GOHF
Profile Joined December 2015
United States1864 Posts
May 11 2019 17:44 GMT
#9
Hey, bit of feedback. I did try Treads double wraith band though I skipped Midas and went straight Dragon Lance into Hurricane Pike. Did this once in safelane (against Axe/Pugna which I thought would be more favorable for me than our Lone Druid on our team; we won) and again mid (lost game). Not sure if skipping Midas was a mistake. Attack speed talent is definitely good, don't believe AW's going to miss a measly 8% off of cooldowns, but that Flux cast range talent is insane. It's about the same range as Spark Wraith and it can just melt heroes before they get even close. On the game I won, I didn't buy blink, just went Orchid, Attack Range talent, and Butterfly and turned myself into Sniper-warden.

Kind of an unfortunate choice for a meme to explain this all though. The "chad" I imagine is some asshole jock/fratboy/somebody from Jersey Shore that I don't want anything to do with.
NO MORE CHEN NERFS!!!
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
May 18 2019 16:44 GMT
#10
On May 12 2019 02:44 M.S.Bismarck wrote:

Kind of an unfortunate choice for a meme to explain this all though. The "chad" I imagine is some asshole jock/fratboy/somebody from Jersey Shore that I don't want anything to do with.


that is indeed the meme!
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Cup
00:00
#95
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft381
RuFF_SC2 181
ProTech78
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 3506
GuemChi 1962
MaD[AoV]87
Noble 56
ajuk12(nOOB) 14
Dota 2
LuMiX0
League of Legends
JimRising 996
Counter-Strike
summit1g7712
taco 539
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King173
Other Games
C9.Mang0375
ViBE168
Maynarde132
ROOTCatZ52
Trikslyr47
Sick11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1553
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH170
• davetesta34
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP6
• OhrlRock 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 8
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo751
• Stunt135
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
5h 16m
Afreeca Starleague
6h 16m
BeSt vs Paralyze
Jaedong vs Speed
Kung Fu Cup
7h 16m
Replay Cast
20h 16m
The PondCast
1d 6h
KCM Race Survival
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 20h
Escore
2 days
PiG Sty Festival
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
[ Show More ]
PiG Sty Festival
3 days
Patches Events
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
PiG Sty Festival
4 days
The Patches Monday
5 days
GSL
6 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLAN 4
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 1
RSL Revival: Season 6
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
META DYMY #4
Esports World Cup 2026
Esports World Cup 2026: LCQ
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W8
CSL Season 22: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - TRS
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Acropolis #5 - GSA
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.