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Tournaments That Defined A Player's Career: Part 6

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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-26 04:26:11
December 21 2017 07:12 GMT
#1
Part 6: Sea

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In the film series the Matrix, character interaction was often influenced by the hierarchy of the set power levels of the characters involved. However the hierarchy wasn't a fixed constant, and certain characters were able to defeat otherwise near invincible characters within their specific domain of comfort. The Trainman defeating Neo in a one-sided manner would be an example of that.

The professional Brood War scene was no different in this particular regard. Every player had their particular domain of excellence, especially if the circumstances involved was specific enough to emphasize their strengths as a competitor, while at the same time minimize their faults as a competitor.

Every platform of competition had different set of circumstances. Of course, the trick to being a truly great player was to find a way to excel under all given situations. However, this blog will not be about those players. This series will mainly focus on the incomplete geniuses who had to find the right set of circumstances to flourish.

For me, Sea's unrivaled proficiency at dispatching inferior opponents in the Survivor Tournament would be one of those cases, although Canata was often credited with being the "Emperor of Survivor Tournament", the crown actually belonged to Sea, whose stellar exploits in the lower leagues hosted by MBC Game studios sometimes goes uncredited.

Sea went under numerous labels during his long lasting career. Yeom16 was one of those labels, a mockery of his struggle to make it past the round of 16 despite having numerous chances to do so throughout his career. Sea played more televised professional games than most of the terran players that ever graced the scene, yet the times he progressed far enough to play a best-of-five series were incredibly rare.

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Sea was a regular participant for most of the individual leagues held in the more recent eras of professional Brood War, but never made it past the quarter-finals, not even once

However, Sea's ability to make quick work of mediocre players in a best-of-one setting was up there with some of the greatest players. Survivor Tournament, a tournament run by MBC Game studios, was the preliminary tournament for the MBC Game StarLeague, and since Sea rarely progressed far enough to be seeded directly into the competition, he had to battle his way into the MSL time and time again throughout his long career.

And Sea did so with aplomb, surmounting a record that oveshadowed the Survivor Tournament records of literally everybody else. Apart from a single instance in late 2005, when he was eliminated by Stork, Sea never had a moment of failure within the confines of the Survivor Tournament. That's eleven cases of successful Survivor Tournament performances out of twelve, an incredible number both in terms of raw numbers and success rate.

This is the all-time top five players with the most number of victories in the Minor League/Survivor League/Survivor Tournament:

1. Sea: 27-7 (79.4%)
2. Bisu: 25-7 (78.1%)
3. Hwasin: 26-10 (72.2%)
4. Stork: 23-13 (63.9%)
5. sAviOr: 21-8 (72.4%)
Canata: 21-9 (70.0%)
NaDa: 21-11 (65.6%)

The key to gaining fantastic numbers for this particular tournament was to place low enough in the MBC Game StarLeague to not be seeded directly into the following tournament, and being good enough to thrash the lower tier non-seeded players consistently.

The seeding system for the MBC Game StarLeague did change throughout the years, but by the time Sea established himself as one of the most prominent terran players of his era, MBC Game was sticking with seeding the top eight players of the MSL for the following tournament. The format of Survivor Tournament also moved away from best-of-three series, and stuck to double elimination best-of-one format for years to come until MBC Game went of business in 2011.

This is the all-time top five players with the most number of victories in Survivor Tournament after the MBC Game StarLeague stuck to giving out eight seeds from the previous season (Survivor Tournament for GomTV MSL S2 onwards):

1. Sea: 22-3 (88.0%)
2. Bisu: 19-3 (86.4%)
3. Light: 15-8 (65.2%)
4. Stork: 14-5 (73.7%)
5. Canata: 14-7 (66.7%)

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While Bisu was no slouch at defeating his foes in the Survivor Tournament to reclaim his rightful place in the MSL, his overall body of work within the confines of the Survivor Tournament cannot quite match that of Sea's

So strictly confined to the games broadcasted by MBC Game studios, in a double elimination best-of-one format against non-seeded players (9th place and below from the previous season of the MSL), Sea was the most accomplished player of all-time. Even if you extend the time frame further, and include all the lower leagues run by MBC Game, like I have already done above, Sea still holds strong as the ultimate boss of the lower leagues run by MBC Game studios.

Sea is known for a lot of things, and despite his noticeable flaws as a professional Brood War competitor, goes down in history as one of the greatest terran players to have graced the scene. While most associate Sea's ProLeague excellence to his name, I personally think his legacy in the Survivor Tournament suits his characteristics as a Brood War competitor a little better.

Sea was a player not known for his ability to take down big name players, or being meticulous enough to plan way ahead for a specific opponent. However, what he was tremendous at, was letting mediocre players know their place. The Survivor Tournament was an excellent platform for Sea to flourish, due to numerous factors.

First of all, due to the double elimination format, one could argue that there was less pressure overall. Sea was notorious for struggling with nerves, and perhaps he soothed himself mentally with the thought that the double elimination format gave him room to slip up once without immediately being affected by the consequences. However, this point does not hold much merit, because Sea's record versus tougher opposition, but with the exact same double elimination best-of-one format, does not compare favourably to his stellar record in the Survivor Tournament.

Secondly, Sea was not the type of player to swing above his weight class during his professional years. While he was extra-ordinary at shutting down inferior players, as seen by his impressive ProLeague numbers, Sea struggled heavily versus players who were regarded as the crème de la crème of the professional Brood War scene. Survivor Tournament automatically ruled out the possibility of facing a top eight player from the previous season, and success within this particular realm usually came down to how efficiently a player could reduce the chance of being upset by an inferior player.

Last of all, planning out a series with a specific player in mind was not a quality that Sea tended to excel at, especially during his professional career. The double elimination best of one format versus multiple opponents lessened the chance of an opposition digging deep soley for the purposes of knocking Sea out of the tournament. The free for all nature of this tournament, rather than the mano-a-mano nature seen in others, allowed Sea to shine even more in my opinion.

Sea was one of the most talked about professional Brood War players, especially due to the odd nature of his career. I believe his excellence in the Survivor Tournament best represents traits as a competitor, and no matter how flawed he was overall, not many can claim to have owned his particular domain of excellence as well as Sea did throughout their entire careers. Being hailed as the greatest Survivor Tournament player ever may be a backhanded compliment, but I feel like it is a title that suits Sea's professional career.

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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
December 21 2017 07:57 GMT
#2
Bravo. Great read.
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NoS-Craig
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia3093 Posts
December 21 2017 13:07 GMT
#3
Such a shame he had to over indulge and F up before the ASL Ro 32. Nice to read more about Sea and the Kespa Era.
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nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
December 21 2017 16:17 GMT
#4
jeez, hating on bisu? and where's flash on the list?! smh

(just kidding)
thank you for the body of work!

in a lot of ways i miss MSL for the amount of games and stories they gave us
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asel
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Germany1599 Posts
December 21 2017 20:28 GMT
#5
Awesome read.
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
December 23 2017 10:15 GMT
#6
Letmelose, in future posts in this series can you link to previous parts? .
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noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
456 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-23 21:51:50
December 23 2017 21:50 GMT
#7
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noname_
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
456 Posts
December 23 2017 21:51 GMT
#8
On December 23 2017 19:15 DSK wrote:
Letmelose, in future posts in this series can you link to previous parts? .

Scroll up, click Letmelose, click blog, read everything.
DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
December 23 2017 23:37 GMT
#9
On December 24 2017 06:51 noname_ wrote:
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On December 23 2017 19:15 DSK wrote:
Letmelose, in future posts in this series can you link to previous parts? .

Scroll up, click Letmelose, click blog, read everything.


Honestly, I didn't know that . Still think it is a good idea though.
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Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-26 08:32:12
December 26 2017 04:17 GMT
#10
After some further examination, it seems that one could argue that Sea thrived under the Survivor Tournament system mostly due to his ability to crush mediocre level players, rather than his preference for the double elimination best-of-one format. If Sea truly was a master of the double elimination best-of-one format, he would have been more of a respectable record in the round of 32 of the MSL given the exact same format.

Sea versus 9th ~ 48th ranked players from the previous MBC Game season, in the Survivor Tournament, which used a double elimination best-of-one format: 22-3 (88.0%)

Sea versus 1st ~ 32nd ranked players from the previous MBC Game season, in the round of 32 of the MSL, which also used a double elimination best-of-one format: 13-15 (46.4%)

While Sea was untouchable in the Survivor Tournament, there were a multitude of players who had far superior records in the round of 32 of the MSL, especially Hwasin, who was a god within that particular domain.

For comparison reasons:

Top five players with the most number of victories with the double elimination best-of-one format within the confines of the Survivor Tournament:

1. Sea: 22-3 (88.0%)
2. Bisu: 19-3 (86.4%)
3. Light: 15-8 (65.2%)
4. Stork: 14-5 (73.7%)
5. Canata: 14-7 (66.7%)

Top five players with the most number of victories with the double elimination best-of-one format within the confines of the round of 32 of the MSL:

1. Jaedong: 19-6 (76.0%)
2. Hwasin: 18-3 (85.7%)
3. Flash: 18-10 (64.3%)
4. Bisu: 17-16 (51.5%)
5. Light: 15-8 (65.2%)

The only player who seems to truly flourish under the double elimination best-of-one format seems to be Light, who seems to be the only player to have played extensively in both the lower rounds of the MSL and the Survivor Tournament, but not get too affected by the level of his opponents in terms of overall win rate.

So as far as MBC Game leagues are concerned, Sea seems to be more hindered by his lack of ability to overcome high quality opponents, than his tendencies to prefer a best-of-one format. Light seems to be the kind of player who is limited to being good in a best-of-one setting (ProLeague, Winners League, Survivor Tournament, and the round of 32 of the MSL), but being held back by his lackluster ability to plan out a series against a specific opponent.

If the above assumption that Sea's individual league success was capped by his struggle versus solid opponents, and Light was capped by his struggle outside of the realm of best-of-one situations, Light should have superior win rates than Sea in the round robin best-of-one utilized in the round of 16 of the OGN StarLeague, since Sea's best-of-one records dipped in quality once he reached the round of 16 for the individual leagues hosted by MBC Game, and that was not the case for Light.

Sea and Light's record in the round of 16 of the OGN StarLeague only when round robin best-of-one was used (so earlier records from OGN StarLeagues with different formats will not be counted):

Sea: 8-13 (38.1%)

Light: 5-4 (55.6%)

Light actually sucked ass in OGN StarLeagues, so his sample size is way too low. However, I think from what I gathered thus far, I think it is fair to say that Sea's extreme potency within the Survivor Tournament cannot be attributed all that much to his best-of-one excellence, since his best-of-one excellence, whether it happens to be double elimination, or round robin, does not hold up once we move outside of the relative mediocrity of the Survivor Tournament.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16674 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-12-26 16:52:41
December 26 2017 16:52 GMT
#11
i thought 2 things defined Sjow's career. His big run through MLG with a series of improbable combats against Korea's best... and all those CraftCup wins.

Sjow remains my favourite SC2 player of all time.
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DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
December 27 2017 12:04 GMT
#12
On December 27 2017 01:52 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
i thought 2 things defined Sjow's career. His big run through MLG with a series of improbable combats against Korea's best... and all those CraftCup wins.

Sjow remains my favourite SC2 player of all time.


DreamHack 2013 Open Summer where he got 4th and won out over Life, and losing in the semis to eventual winner StarDust.
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