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Johto4988 Posts
Company X should take over this wiki. Be it Valve, be it Riot Games, be it Blizzard, I hear this sentiment quite often, especially on reddit. Usually this comes in combination with the official website being worse than the wiki in question, or because the wiki is having issues (see Esportswikis losing most of their staff).
Of course this statement about the publisher running the wiki comes from an expectation that the publisher would be able to up their web presence, and that the publisher would be able to run a wiki better than the people that are already running it. The idea is quite interesting, but there are a couple points to be made:
- If the publisher would be interested in having a better web presence, why is the publisher not doing it already?
- If the publisher would run the wiki, what would the incentive be to cover smaller regions, local scenes and tournaments and less known teams and players?
- If the publisher runs the wiki, would he be able to innovate in the same way the independent wikis are innovating?
- If the publisher is the driving force, would he get people to help out with updating the wiki?
Part of why Liquipedia has grown so much is that there is a huge knowledge transfer between games and between contributors. You will regularly see people help out on other wikis that are not their main game, and these people help setting a common standard of quality between the wikis. The different wikis also profit from code transfer. If someone on one wiki codes an awesome feature, it can be used by all the other wikis as well. Especially smaller games with less contributors will hugely profit from this, as they can build on the base that the bigger wikis have outlined for them. This of course does not mean the other direction does not happen, some people would be surprised how many things on the Counter-Strike wiki for example originally started on the RocketLeague wiki.
Now a company like Blizzard that has a couple games could look to have some of this cross wiki knowledge transfer, but on an independent wiki, there are way more games than just the games by a single company. Generally a single publisher will never have the same amount of depth on different things that can be done, as when you compare across all possible games, and because of that independent wikis will have the upper hand here.
Another point here is having a look at companies’ business plans. A company that publishes a game now might not be interested in the game anymore 10 years from now. Games like StarCraft Brood War however have shown that games can be around for a long time. In a purely commercial world, running a wiki for a game you are not interested in will not always work for a company. If the wiki just vanishes however, that would be a huge blow for the games community. Imagine Liquipedia just being gone, a lot of people might not even know which tournaments are on anymore.
Because of the mentioned crossover effects, wikis in a group will usually do better than if they are on their own. A wiki group like Liquipedia will always have more crossover effects than a wiki group that focuses on a single publisher.
As a conclusion to take away from this: Generally having a publisher run a wiki themselves is likely to not have the same quality you can get from the more established wikis. Such a wiki run by a publisher also is at a risk of being taken down once interest vanishes. In my opinion we generally should not look for a publisher to run a wiki, it will likely not go well. In the end, why would a publisher care about a game that does not make money. Realistically they do not, and that is why wikis should be independent.
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Redditors are stupid, what else is new?
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bw liquipedia is an invaluable source of knowledge, i want blizzard nowhere near it
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no offense, but how can this be featured?
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TLADT24920 Posts
Blogs are featured by user, not individually. Aka, if you are featured once, your blogs will continue being featured until you get defeatured. Having said that, FO actually works for TL, aka he's a full time employee compared to a lot of other staff that are mostly volunteers so if anyone should have a blog featured, it's him.
Also, he has pretty interesting blogs when he wrote more. I think this blog while simple in nature has a straightforward message that's important.
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my bad than, still can learn a few new things after all this years ))
i was just wondering since its pretty clear that blizzard would never invest the time and manpower to maintain something this big for free, and i guess everbody on tl already knows that, keep the good work up bois
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TLADT24920 Posts
ya, no worries. He's one of the heads of LP so the blogs from that perspective makes a lot of sense as well.
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Johto4988 Posts
Lol I'm just a pleb by rights, salle is the LP boss ^^
The reason why I decide things on the wiki is that people started to like my decisions 
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TLADT24920 Posts
On October 19 2017 05:51 FO-nTTaX wrote:Lol I'm just a pleb by rights, salle is the LP boss ^^ The reason why I decide things on the wiki is that people started to like my decisions
haha. BTW, pleb, I'm heading to the Netherlands so I'll pm you about that soon
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Johto4988 Posts
Do that, we can possibly look into having a beer or two ^^
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On October 19 2017 05:59 FO-nTTaX wrote:
Do that, we can possibly look into having a beer or two ^^
or 3*
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Johto4988 Posts
On October 19 2017 06:26 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2017 05:59 FO-nTTaX wrote:
Do that, we can possibly look into having a beer or two ^^ or 3*
I'm German, so w/e
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TLADT24920 Posts
I don't drink though haha so guess it's a 0 XD
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
it's funny how many games don't even have internal company records, they just use LP
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On October 19 2017 01:13 kAra wrote:
no offense, but how can this be featured?
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/RKq50HF.jpg)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I wouldn't want Activision-Blizzard anywhere near the Liquipedia wiki.
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Eh, what!? Wikis are anathema to big companies in general. How do people not understand this, big companies hate wikis. Wikis run counter to the whole concept of capitalism in general.
Even Wikia doesn't like wikis that much any more, enough that they changed their name to Fandom Inc.
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I swear, some people think Riot and Valve have the midas-touch. But to say, "Let Riot, Valve, or Blizzard run the wiki" is beyond stupid. There is no word in the English language for it. I have to turn to German for this one: backpfeifengesicht.
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First of all, as I am not an avid reddit user, I didn't even know people do say that the companies should run the wikis. Still great explenation why not.
On October 25 2017 17:37 ninazerg wrote:
I swear, some people think Riot and Valve have the midas-touch. But to say, "Let Riot, Valve, or Blizzard run the wiki" is beyond stupid. There is no word in the English language for it. I have to turn to German for this one: backpfeifengesicht.
Well I can understand some aspects, as it is far easier for companies to have the exact information on what was played when (in the case of maps for sc2 for example) but that would only be affecting the big tournaments. (If not only the ones ran by the company).
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United States4209 Posts
I think those kids are ignorant, you can't even trust the big companies in esports to have a dat website, so I wouldnt trust them with liquipedia at all, in spite of their respective esports departments having so many salaried people.
The best thing they can probably do, is keep the editors/contributors of their liquipedia happy given how much value liquipedia brings to a professional scene.
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