Civilization began with the invention of the phonetic alphabet and the use of writing.
In case you didn't know, there is an international phonetic alphabet, containing a separate character for each distinguishable speech sound. However, it's utterly impractical and fugly; it's like they made it so that nobody would ever use it; like Esperanto.
There must be a better way, I thought, to do this. First of all we don't really need uppercase letters, we just need to add a symbol to the end of the capitalized word, to mark it as such. I've chosen `. To indicate a name I add * to the back, and to indicate the word is being shouted I add ! to the front of it.
Thus, I freed up 26 easily accessible characters, which I'll use for numbers, because I don't like how the actual numbers are placed on the keyboard. Instead I favor a numpad-like design, but more on that later.
I'll use the numbers for additional sounds, but first I'll free up some more characters that are rather useless, like q, w, x and y, and assign them to sounds being used often in the English language.
Here's the basic alphabet:
q a y 7 b c d w e f g h ii j k l m n o p r s z x t u v *
q as in art, a as in got, y as in but & 7 as in should
c, ii, z: as in Chinese: cainiiz`, w as in and & e as in end
j as in manage, x as in Flash, u as in you and * as in pizza
Very easy, right? Try it. There isn't much you can't write with it. Furthermore you can write it the way you speak it, using accent-specific idiosyncrasies. For example "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men" can be written in a US American accent like this: "dy` pwf ov dy raicys mwn iz biset qn ql saidz bai di inekuitiiz yf dy selfix, wnd dy tiryni yv iivyl men", or in a Brittish accent laik dis: "dy` pqf ov dy rqic7s mwn iz biswt qn 0l sqidz bqi di inekuitiiz qf dy selfix, wnd dy tiryni ov iivel men.
Let's add 0 as a long accentuated form of o (ó), 1 as the continuous j in mirage or Jean-Luc, 8 as in Übermensch and 9 as in ördög (Hungarian for devil), and we're almost set to advance to the numeral system. ' stands for the sharp h sound in Furcht (German for fear), " articulated vocally sounds like an exaggerated German CH, the type Jewish people and Korean commentators sometimes use; no more + Show Spoiler [quote marks in the air] +
with fingers, the ` we use to capitalize is an accentuated e (é) sound as heard in Monet, and we'll use ~ as a Spanish ñ
Numeral system:
~iu dozenal: QWERASDFZX C V B NMHJKYUIO = 0123456789 10 11 10 9876543210
0ld decimal: WQ~AAAA = 100004444 = IO~KKKK
Why a double dozenal? Because we have 12 hours x 2 in a day, and I don't find the AM / PM thing to be an intelligent solution to distinguish between the two phases. Using these two is like having 2 numpads, one for each hand and handedness, upon having pressed the CAPS key, or while holding SHIFT.
For use within the decimal system, instead of k I find it elegant to use ~ to imply a thousand. The only two uppercase letters which don't get used as numbers are T and L, and they should signify that the text took a 90 degrees turn upon having pressed T and is now proceeding inward, until L is pressed, to level it and continue writing parallel to the superficial layer of text. Press L again to make it climb outward, likewise leveling it with T. Alternatively one can press T 3 times and form a text loop which connects at an earlier position with the initial text. Oh and P, which teleports the cursor back to the point where T or L diverted the text's course, and resets direction for it to be continued normally.
I call this Long or Dragon Tongue, because it flies above all the barriers each language has fortified itself with, to generate obstacles in achieving a common understanding of pronunciation, and handy manifestation in writing on computer keyboards. For example, without ever having studied German, you can understand how a German speaks without having heard it. For example: "+ Show Spoiler [Der Apfel fällt nicht weit vom Stamm] +
" ~ "dey` apfl` felt ni' wait fom xtam`".
Let's converse in dragon t0 (and risk getting warned). Alternatively give me a paragraph of text, and I'll translate it for you in German, Romanian and Hungarian, demonstrating the phonetic characteristics of each, using t0 (taking the risk of getting warned).
Your ability to understand intelligence greatly surpasses your ability to produce it. Why didn't you make a simple conversion table?
I've also wished for a better everyday phonetic alphabet.
Consonants are discrete while vowels are continuous, therefore starting with consonants is better, after those are sorted out a different approach is needed for vowels. Bases on previous thoughts I've had about this I think (semi-coincidently as it is related to optimum keyboard layouts) that 21 consonants and five vowels are the way to go. For the consonants that means picking the 21 most used over the dozen or so most common languages, for less rare consonants use diphthongs (two consonant letters together, e.g. sh, ch, th). For vowels its harder (there are twenty vowel sounds in English alone). For them start with 5 letters and then modify them with diacritics (e.g. acute, grave, macron, tittle, etc). In tonal languages the diacritics would instead indicate which tone is being used. When writing diacritics would be optional, relying on context for understanding unless it would leave the word ambiguous. Again diphthongs can be used for the rarer vowels.
I don't understand your dozenal system at all, and already like dozenal. Just add two new numbers like everyone else does (chi and eta are common).
I agree that civilisation really began with writing though, but not with the phonetic alphabet as China disproves that.
Civilization began with the invention of the phonetic alphabet and the use of writing. What's your source? + Show Spoiler [aside] +
If we are talking "abstract", i totally disagree, civilization (a very questionable concept seeing as people think it will save us and forego their own part in it mostly!) is merely a by product of free time and the development of the human brain (since not all of us were slaves, the one's that were not got ample time to invent concepts other than "hunt gather produce" food). Civilization is an accident. A happy one? For a minority of people struggling to achieve the good that comes from it .. for them yes. For most people it is just another system of control, a system/process that got out of hand.
We think ourselves civilized and that is "fine", just as long as you remind yourself that people died in mass to establish it, and furthermore that it is just a way to secure masses of people do not think or act! i think of civilization as i think of the old joke: a guy jumps from a top building and at each floor there is someone to tell him he's fine, until now! La fin ce n'est pas la chute, c'est l'atterissage ... (the end is not the fall, it is the landing) civilization is a sham and we are all living this pleasant lie with our eyes wide open, seeing the landing coming in our faces with every step and every step closer is met with equal lazyness and apathy.
On the separate speech issue specifically, i totally agree that phonetics/esperanto are both really lame (they do not help whereas they should / should have for the esperanto experience) and could use a refresher
On April 15 2017 17:24 fluidrone wrote: civilization is a sham and we are all living this pleasant lie with our eyes wide open
geting` feik gyrlfrendz wnd uaivs wz tu nat l7k laik feiliurz in dy aiz qf ior souxiyl wnd biznis kqntwkts iz y plezynt lai.
primediteiting` a dailqg wnd meiking it l7k improvaizd tu siim intelijynt wnd syfistikeited, iz y xwm.
laik` sivilaizeixyn dei qr ueiz t7 koup uiv uqnz defisi* wnd qderzs ybyndyn*.
On April 15 2017 13:42 Korakys wrote: Your ability to understand intelligence greatly surpasses your ability to produce it. Why didn't you make a simple conversion table?
I've also wished for a better everyday phonetic alphabet.
egzwmp7lz` niided tu bi givyn in ordyr tu elusideit dy founetik vwriyn* yv singiulyr letyrz. y` kynvyr1yn teibyl u7d nqt hwv s7faist.
acute, grave, macron, tittle
ykiut`, greiv, mwkryn, tidl, et*., qr imprwktikyl, ynd nqt niided for t0
there are twenty vowel sounds in English alone
der` ar ounli N riil uonz: "q w e a y 7 u i o" in inglix`, wnd K mor for sym yder i7rypiyn` lwnguyjez: "` 0 9 8"
writing diacritics would be optional, relying on context for understanding unless it would leave the word ambiguous. Again diphthongs can be used for the rarer vowels.
uiv` t0 di onli fing wmbigiuys wt fyrst iz uedyr dy * wt di end stwnds fyr dy saund or dy signyl for y neim. if` its bouf der qr t7u stqrz, laik for egzwmpyl "xuqr** iz y raicys d7ud".
I don't understand your dozenal system at all, and already like dozenal. Just add two new numbers like everyone else does (chi and eta are common).
aa` ies, ai overkomplikeited its prezenteixyn ws y kqmprymaiz for intuidiv leiaut xoukeising.
dis` x7d eksplein it bedyr:
Q W E R A S D F Z X C \ WQ (quasi numbers) = 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 = O I U Y K J H G M N B / IO (void numbers)
I agree that civilisation really began with writing though, but not with the phonetic alphabet as China disproves that.
uai` u7d wniuyn iuz yn wlfybet uiv kwryktyrz dwt dount korespqnd t7 dy saundz? ai` nou dwts uyt y lot yv lwnguyjez d7u, byt der siimz t7 bii nou riizn for it, inteligen*-uaiz, eksept for kriptogrwfik wnd aisoleix7n / ekskl7usivist p7rpysyz.
On April 15 2017 17:24 fluidrone wrote: Civilization began with the invention of the phonetic alphabet and the use of writing. What's your source? On the separate speech issue specifically, i totally agree that phonetics/esperanto are both really lame (they do not help whereas they should / should have for the esperanto experience) and could use a refresher
iu` miin: sivilaizeixyn` bigwn uit di invenxyn ov dy founetik wlfybet wnd dy ius yv raiting. uqts` ior sors? on` dy sepryt spiic ix7u spysifiklii, ai toudyli ygrii dwt founetiks/esperanto qr bouf riyli leim (dei d7 nat help uerqz dei x7d / x7d hwv for dy esperanto ekspiriyn*) wnd k7d iuz y rifrexr.di` *iviliza*i0n began mit der eyfindung` des f0n`tixn alfab`ts` unt dey nu*ung` dey xrift`. was` ist dainy kvele`? was` di zeparate xpra"e` ang`t, bin i' mit diy ainy mainung`, das f0n`tik`/esperant0` baide viykli' laam zind (zi helfn ni't v0bai zi es zoltn / hwtn geholfen habn zollyn f8r das esperant0` eyl`bnis`) unt hetn aine wyfrixung` n9ti'.xiviliza*ia a 7nceput odaty ku inven*ia alfabetului fonetik xi folosirea skrisului. Kare` *ie sursa? 7n` legytury ku vorbitul, s7n total de akord ky fonetika/esperanto s7nt ambele naxpa pe bune (ele nu a1ut7 pe k7nd ar trebui / fi trebuit pentru eksperien*a esperanto) xi ar merje o re7mprospytare.q` *iviliza*i0 kwzd99d9t q fon`tikux ab`*`vwl `x qz iirax hqsnalqtavql. wst` honnqn swttwd? q` k8l9n bws`ddwl kqpcolqtbqn, twiwxwn w66wt `rtwk vwlwd ho6 q fon`tikq/wspwrqnt0 mind q kwtt99 igqzan sqr (nwm xwgiitwnwk pwdig kwllwnw / kwllwt v0lnq qz wspwrant0 `lm`~wn) `x illik w6 uuiitaax.
I'm pretty sure a and of sounds different in "a kilogram of steel". Also the consonants in both and feathers are different. At the end when Limmy says: "I don't get it", the last consonant isn't a schwa (as in an unstressed a or an) but more of an e sound, as in bed or red. But not quite.
The issue seems to be that you represent similar but still different sounds with a single character.
iur` rait ybaut dwt. in` dy frst lain hi sez "kwlygram a stiu" uivaut dy y, wnd qlsou "y kwlygram a fedyz", hauevyr dy difyren* bituiin f or s wnd di wktuyl "th" saund in "both" iz neglijibl.
On April 16 2017 06:34 N0 wrote: iur` rait ybaut dwt. in` dy frst lain hi sez "kwlygram a stiu" uivaut dy y, wnd qlsou "y kwlygram a fedyz", hauevyr dy difyren* bituiin f or s wnd di wktuyl "th" saund in "both" iz neglijibl.
Dount no uqt i7u miin bai dy lwst pqrt.
Good point, maybe an approximate phonetic alphabet is all we need. After all, half the time I'm not paying attention what the other person is saying and the writing system should reflect that.
aid` sei its pridi spqt-qn NN% yf dy taim, byt lets` ysain 2 t7u 2y "th" saund in "that", wnd 3 t7 dwt midl-graund saund bituiin s wnd f in "both". den` uid still hwv 4 wnd 5 t7 distinguix bituiin forms of r, laik dy rold ymerikyn`, frenc` ws hyrd in "merde" wnd dy uqnz ykin t7 "Rammstein".
dwt` mouning saund iu spiik yv, wt di end yv -yun getyt iz hardli y kympliitli vokylaizd saund, nqt t7 menxiyn its s7pozd t7 kym qf wz nynplys or fr7streixyn bikyz sym3ing mait bi rong wi2 him, so its best t7 jyst p7t y lain 2er wz uel ai ges, insted yv 2y t.
On April 16 2017 08:35 hypercube wrote: Good point, maybe an approximate phonetic alphabet is all we need. After all, half the time I'm not paying attention what the other person is saying and the writing system should reflect that.
g7d` point, meibi yn yprqksimyt founetik wlfybet iz ql ui niid. wftyr` ql, hwf 2y taim aim nat peiing ytenxiyn uqt 2y y2r pyrs7n iz seiing wnd dy raiting sistem x7d reflekt 2wt.guuty` punkt`, fiilai't ist ain ungefwy5ys alfab`t` alys vas viy b5au"n. im` endefekt` n`me i' di helfte` von d`m vas dey andy5y zagt gay ni' *uy kentnis unt das xrifts8st`m zolty das viidyrxpiigln.bine` pus punktul pe i, poate ky un alfabet fonetik aproksimat ne a1unje. p7ny` la urmy nu s7nt atent la JO% din ce vorbesk al*i iar sistemul de skris ar trebui sy reflekte acest lukru.i0` `rv, lwhwt ho6 w6 hozzavwt88lwgwx ab`*` mindwn qmi kwl. v`glwg` nwm fi6wlwk ra q fwlirw qbb0l qmit mondqnqk maxok `x qz iirax sist`manqk wzt kwllwnw kifwiwzniw.
bai[] dy uei, dis tekst & vidiyu ekstends autuyrd wt y NO digrii wngl t7 ior skriin, bai uei yv dy yp7rkeis l in egzwmPL, uail dy pikcr ektends inuyrd, d7u t7u dy yp7rkeis t in Test.
Triviy[]: wm ai nau raiting pwrylel t7u dy mein tekst or ykrqs? if[] its dy formyr, uqts dy lwst ting ai rout ykrqs, wnd if its dy lwtyr, uqts dy lwst ting ai rout pwrylel? f7r2yrmor[] uqt u7d bi yn elegynt uei yv signyling dy intent t7u rait wt 7 AS digrii wngl, or y YY digrii uyn? + Show Spoiler +
Well, not so much liquid, as juice. But l0 means horse, which is nice. l0 t0 (horse lake) sounds like something of a language variation, like low and high Valyrian (dat example tho). One could switch between low and high t0 to signal change in altitude, i.e. mood. Preferably have this reversed for genders: Women speak l0 when they're happy and high when they're sad, and vice-versa, when a man feels like an abused and exhausted workhorse he acts up by writing l0, soaring above all worries and shit when high.
Depending on the percentage of domination of one or the other, one can map out the state of spirit of the writer, or understand how he feels about certain issues by incorporating these queues into context analysis. What should these mood altering character-istics look like, hmm?
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, u as in you and * as in pizza
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