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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
December 08 2016 23:36 GMT
#21
On December 09 2016 06:07 Korakys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2016 21:53 Ghanburighan wrote:
On December 08 2016 20:07 Korakys wrote:
On December 08 2016 15:32 FlaShFTW wrote:
On December 08 2016 11:59 Korakys wrote:
On December 08 2016 09:37 FlaShFTW wrote:
My top 5 would be something like USA, Russia, China, Japan, Iran. UK should be higher and India is too high imo.

I actually think Iran is one of the countries that is correctly placed. UK should be definitely higher, but I think this shows that they punch well above their weight-class. In the raw scores India was only a little over half as significant as China.

A titbit, the top 10 countries account for 60% of the total in the raw scores. The USA accounts for just under 16% and China 12%.

I think Russia is far too low. Russia's economy is on the rise since Putin took over, they currently have the more intelligent politician in the world at the controls and Russia has so much pressure everywhere in the world. In terms of significance, they might even compete with America for the #1 slot. The have India in the top 5 and Russia not is a huge mistake.

Iran in the coming years will begin to acrude more and more influence over the Middle East. Their technological advances are beginning to show and economically they are also moving up in the world as well.

What the heck, are you opposite-from-reality-man? Russia's economy is in a shambles, the amount of corruption is staggering and the dependence on oil is increasingly a liability as its importance is undermined by slowly increasing renewables. It has finally regained the No.2 spot in the world in terms of military strength though I reckon, but this is more than offset by all its other problems. Not to mention what would happen if Putin pulled a Chavez and died, chaos, that's what.

Have you been watching TV news or something, you seem to think that the US's enemies are much stronger than they actually are.


Actually, Russia lags quite far behind both China and Saudi Arabia (let alone US) in terms of military expenditure.

Military expenditure is vaguely indicative, but it is far from everything. Saudi Arabia can't even win its war with North Yemen at the moment after more than a year of trying for example. China is trying mightily to build its own equipment, but its not quite building good enough stuff yet and its troops are untested in battle. Russia's military has recently regained its operational effectiveness, by testing itself in Georgia, Ukraine and, currently, Syria. It also has good performance military technology.

China will be number two in global militaries soon, once it can replace its massive stock of somewhat lacklustre weapons systems with quality tech (probably in about 10-15 years).


I'm quite partial to this view, and it's shared by people like the experts in Credit Suisse, but the OP wanted to use "objective" data and it doesn't fit the bill.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Korakys
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
New Zealand272 Posts
December 09 2016 02:06 GMT
#22
On December 09 2016 08:36 Ghanburighan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 06:07 Korakys wrote:
On December 08 2016 21:53 Ghanburighan wrote:
On December 08 2016 20:07 Korakys wrote:
On December 08 2016 15:32 FlaShFTW wrote:
On December 08 2016 11:59 Korakys wrote:
On December 08 2016 09:37 FlaShFTW wrote:
My top 5 would be something like USA, Russia, China, Japan, Iran. UK should be higher and India is too high imo.

I actually think Iran is one of the countries that is correctly placed. UK should be definitely higher, but I think this shows that they punch well above their weight-class. In the raw scores India was only a little over half as significant as China.

A titbit, the top 10 countries account for 60% of the total in the raw scores. The USA accounts for just under 16% and China 12%.

I think Russia is far too low. Russia's economy is on the rise since Putin took over, they currently have the more intelligent politician in the world at the controls and Russia has so much pressure everywhere in the world. In terms of significance, they might even compete with America for the #1 slot. The have India in the top 5 and Russia not is a huge mistake.

Iran in the coming years will begin to acrude more and more influence over the Middle East. Their technological advances are beginning to show and economically they are also moving up in the world as well.

What the heck, are you opposite-from-reality-man? Russia's economy is in a shambles, the amount of corruption is staggering and the dependence on oil is increasingly a liability as its importance is undermined by slowly increasing renewables. It has finally regained the No.2 spot in the world in terms of military strength though I reckon, but this is more than offset by all its other problems. Not to mention what would happen if Putin pulled a Chavez and died, chaos, that's what.

Have you been watching TV news or something, you seem to think that the US's enemies are much stronger than they actually are.


Actually, Russia lags quite far behind both China and Saudi Arabia (let alone US) in terms of military expenditure.

Military expenditure is vaguely indicative, but it is far from everything. Saudi Arabia can't even win its war with North Yemen at the moment after more than a year of trying for example. China is trying mightily to build its own equipment, but its not quite building good enough stuff yet and its troops are untested in battle. Russia's military has recently regained its operational effectiveness, by testing itself in Georgia, Ukraine and, currently, Syria. It also has good performance military technology.

China will be number two in global militaries soon, once it can replace its massive stock of somewhat lacklustre weapons systems with quality tech (probably in about 10-15 years).


I'm quite partial to this view, and it's shared by people like the experts in Credit Suisse, but the OP wanted to use "objective" data and it doesn't fit the bill.

I am the OP!
Swing away sOs, swing away.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
December 09 2016 02:14 GMT
#23
On December 09 2016 11:06 Korakys wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2016 08:36 Ghanburighan wrote:
On December 09 2016 06:07 Korakys wrote:
On December 08 2016 21:53 Ghanburighan wrote:
On December 08 2016 20:07 Korakys wrote:
On December 08 2016 15:32 FlaShFTW wrote:
On December 08 2016 11:59 Korakys wrote:
On December 08 2016 09:37 FlaShFTW wrote:
My top 5 would be something like USA, Russia, China, Japan, Iran. UK should be higher and India is too high imo.

I actually think Iran is one of the countries that is correctly placed. UK should be definitely higher, but I think this shows that they punch well above their weight-class. In the raw scores India was only a little over half as significant as China.

A titbit, the top 10 countries account for 60% of the total in the raw scores. The USA accounts for just under 16% and China 12%.

I think Russia is far too low. Russia's economy is on the rise since Putin took over, they currently have the more intelligent politician in the world at the controls and Russia has so much pressure everywhere in the world. In terms of significance, they might even compete with America for the #1 slot. The have India in the top 5 and Russia not is a huge mistake.

Iran in the coming years will begin to acrude more and more influence over the Middle East. Their technological advances are beginning to show and economically they are also moving up in the world as well.

What the heck, are you opposite-from-reality-man? Russia's economy is in a shambles, the amount of corruption is staggering and the dependence on oil is increasingly a liability as its importance is undermined by slowly increasing renewables. It has finally regained the No.2 spot in the world in terms of military strength though I reckon, but this is more than offset by all its other problems. Not to mention what would happen if Putin pulled a Chavez and died, chaos, that's what.

Have you been watching TV news or something, you seem to think that the US's enemies are much stronger than they actually are.


Actually, Russia lags quite far behind both China and Saudi Arabia (let alone US) in terms of military expenditure.

Military expenditure is vaguely indicative, but it is far from everything. Saudi Arabia can't even win its war with North Yemen at the moment after more than a year of trying for example. China is trying mightily to build its own equipment, but its not quite building good enough stuff yet and its troops are untested in battle. Russia's military has recently regained its operational effectiveness, by testing itself in Georgia, Ukraine and, currently, Syria. It also has good performance military technology.

China will be number two in global militaries soon, once it can replace its massive stock of somewhat lacklustre weapons systems with quality tech (probably in about 10-15 years).


I'm quite partial to this view, and it's shared by people like the experts in Credit Suisse, but the OP wanted to use "objective" data and it doesn't fit the bill.

I am the OP!


So you are. Still, besides the subjective view of other people, I don't think you can measure "quality tech" all that stuff. So adding this would undermine your effort.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
dravernor
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
Netherlands6192 Posts
December 09 2016 16:23 GMT
#24
I think a perfect example of this is how Zimbabwe is coming in at number 91!
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hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
December 09 2016 16:47 GMT
#25
On December 08 2016 15:32 FlaShFTW wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2016 11:59 Korakys wrote:
On December 08 2016 09:37 FlaShFTW wrote:
My top 5 would be something like USA, Russia, China, Japan, Iran. UK should be higher and India is too high imo.

I actually think Iran is one of the countries that is correctly placed. UK should be definitely higher, but I think this shows that they punch well above their weight-class. In the raw scores India was only a little over half as significant as China.

A titbit, the top 10 countries account for 60% of the total in the raw scores. The USA accounts for just under 16% and China 12%.

I think Russia is far too low. Russia's economy is on the rise since Putin took over, they currently have the more intelligent politician in the world at the controls and Russia has so much pressure everywhere in the world. In terms of significance, they might even compete with America for the #1 slot. The have India in the top 5 and Russia not is a huge mistake.


Russia reminds me of France during the time of Napoleon III. A great power in decline, with an extremely active foreign policy. It makes them look good in the short term but it doesn't change the long term trend. It might even make their eventual fall worse, since much of the windfall of the commodity boom was invested into the military.

The high growth era fueled by rising oil and gas prices is already over and if the Paris agreement is any indication it's never coming back. So the previously highest growing sectors, that represent 65% of Russia's exports, are looking at negative growth for the next two decades. A few foreign policy successes in Syria or Ukraine hardly make up for that.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4453 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-10 09:09:38
December 10 2016 09:07 GMT
#26
For me, the one that sticks out is Israel at 59.
Top 30 material.Check military spending.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
December 10 2016 09:25 GMT
#27
On December 08 2016 00:50 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
The world is over populated.
Canada is the best country because it has the fewest # of humans per square kilometer of surface area.



when reading my posts keep in mind i talk like these guys here, eh

I was about to post a reply about how there are 10 or so countries with lower population density than Canada, but then I watched the video and imagined what that discussion would be like with them, and then I decided not to bother.
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