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On August 20 2015 11:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 10:16 ninazerg wrote:
Don't get it twisted - Scan isn't being scrutinized because of his skill. It's because in Korea, there is vibrant StarCraft competitive outlet, and for everyone else outside of Korea - we really have nothing. That's why we have tournaments like this for the rest of us in the world who love StarCraft, but live in countries where nobody else cares that much.
Anyone doing the comparison of StarCraft to Basketball... c'mon. when someone non-Korean accomplishes what Patry did without assimilating.. lemme know. a basketball player must play in the NCAA or NBA and learn to communicate in english to be near the best in the world. a female hockey player can only reach world class status by playing in NA and conversing in either english or french... there is nothing in women's hockey that comes anything close to the level of pro competition for the Clarkson Cup... and for amateur play nothing is close to the NCAA. if u want to be the best female hockey player u must go to NA and assimilate.. u want to be the best starcraft player u must go to korea and assimilate.. Like the Clarkson Cup for women's hockey.. nothing comes close to the GSL... and its in Korea. who says life is fair? i'm just talking about what it takes to be the best. being immersed within the best competition forces you to raise your game.
Yea, and a tournament that clearly states it is for Foreign BW and has a Korean winning every final and off racing is the problem. Obviously you do not understand the situation at hand here, let me elaborate as simply as possible.
Scan winning every single TLC cup, a Korean in a "Foreign BW Tournament", no matter how much people want to think that Scan being in it is going to raise the skill ceiling by his presence simply being here, you are wrong. In fact, you all couldn't be more wrong. Regardless, one Korean in a BW Foreign tournament winning every single one and then then the championship is not going to make people magically rise like phoenixes from the ashes in order to take the crown. People would have to literally learn to speak korean as you said, practice 8+ hours a day, and join a "SPONSORED PRO KOREAN TEAM" (LIKE SCAN IS NOW), but we aren't, we are foreigners, this is a FOREIGN tournament. A Korean in a Foreign tournament shouldn't be allowed, even if there is some ridiculously biased favoritism that was enabling scan to be able to play.
"Koreans are not allowed to play unless they are long time TL users and contribute to TL".
What? You should have Invited Sea[Shield] then.
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On August 20 2015 11:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 10:16 ninazerg wrote:
Don't get it twisted - Scan isn't being scrutinized because of his skill. It's because in Korea, there is vibrant StarCraft competitive outlet, and for everyone else outside of Korea - we really have nothing. That's why we have tournaments like this for the rest of us in the world who love StarCraft, but live in countries where nobody else cares that much.
Anyone doing the comparison of StarCraft to Basketball... c'mon. when someone non-Korean accomplishes what Patry did without assimilating.. lemme know. a basketball player must play in the NCAA or NBA and learn to communicate in english to be near the best in the world. a female hockey player can only reach world class status by playing in NA and conversing in either english or french... there is nothing in women's hockey that comes anything close to the level of pro competition for the Clarkson Cup... and for amateur play nothing is close to the NCAA. if u want to be the best female hockey player u must go to NA and assimilate.. u want to be the best starcraft player u must go to korea and assimilate.. Like the Clarkson Cup for women's hockey.. nothing comes close to the GSL... and its in Korea. who says life is fair? i'm just talking about what it takes to be the best. being immersed within the best competition forces you to raise your game.
you can assimilate, but not everyone can be next lebron/messi/woods ^^
but you correct that to be best you must mix with best scene
On August 20 2015 12:56 GGzerG wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 11:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:On August 20 2015 10:16 ninazerg wrote:
Don't get it twisted - Scan isn't being scrutinized because of his skill. It's because in Korea, there is vibrant StarCraft competitive outlet, and for everyone else outside of Korea - we really have nothing. That's why we have tournaments like this for the rest of us in the world who love StarCraft, but live in countries where nobody else cares that much.
Anyone doing the comparison of StarCraft to Basketball... c'mon. when someone non-Korean accomplishes what Patry did without assimilating.. lemme know. a basketball player must play in the NCAA or NBA and learn to communicate in english to be near the best in the world. a female hockey player can only reach world class status by playing in NA and conversing in either english or french... there is nothing in women's hockey that comes anything close to the level of pro competition for the Clarkson Cup... and for amateur play nothing is close to the NCAA. if u want to be the best female hockey player u must go to NA and assimilate.. u want to be the best starcraft player u must go to korea and assimilate.. Like the Clarkson Cup for women's hockey.. nothing comes close to the GSL... and its in Korea. who says life is fair? i'm just talking about what it takes to be the best. being immersed within the best competition forces you to raise your game. Yea, and a tournament that clearly states it is for Foreign BW and has a Korean winning every final and off racing is the problem. Obviously you do not understand the situation at hand here, let me elaborate as simply as possible. Scan winning every single TLC cup, a Korean in a "Foreign BW Tournament", no matter how much people want to think that Scan being in it is going to raise the skill ceiling by his presence simply being here, you are wrong. In fact, you all couldn't be more wrong. Regardless, one Korean in a BW Foreign tournament winning every single one and then then the championship is not going to make people magically rise like phoenixes from the ashes in order to take the crown. People would have to literally learn to speak korean as you said, practice 8+ hours a day, and join a "SPONSORED PRO KOREAN TEAM" (LIKE SCAN IS NOW), but we aren't, we are foreigners, this is a FOREIGN tournament. A Korean in a Foreign tournament shouldn't be allowed, even if there is some ridiculously biased favoritism that was enabling scan to be able to play. "Koreans are not allowed to play unless they are long time TL users and contribute to TL". What? You should have Invited Sea[Shield] then.
he can still join TLS ^^
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On August 20 2015 11:16 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
who says life is fair?
This is a false equivalency because there are so many variables in life that you cannot control, whereas if you run a competitive event, you make the rules and therefore, control the perimeters by which the competition is played.
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On August 20 2015 13:50 ninazerg wrote:This is a false equivalency because there are so many variables in life that you cannot control, whereas if you run a competitive event, you make the rules and therefore, control the perimeters by which the competition is played.
the amount of reasonableness you bring always amazes me ![[image loading]](http://defiler.ru/chat/smiles-hidden/1-koreans/sea.jpg)
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On August 20 2015 13:50 ninazerg wrote:This is a false equivalency because there are so many variables in life that you cannot control, whereas if you run a competitive event, you make the rules and therefore, control the perimeters by which the competition is played.
let me make it more clear.
Patry still stands as the only non-korean champion... and it took a helluva lot more than just playing a lot of Starcraft.
the best female goalie in the world had to leave finland, learn english and live 7,000 km away from home when she was 17... it took a lot more than raw talent to become #1.
the road they travelled was a lot tougher than the road Marie Philip Poulin or Lim Yo Hwan had paved in front of them. That is what i mean by life not being fair.
On August 20 2015 12:56 GGzerG wrote:
Yea, and a tournament that clearly states it is for Foreign BW and has a Korean winning every final and off racing is the problem. Obviously you do not understand the situation at hand here, let me elaborate as simply as possible.
i did not discuss this in my post. my viewpoint is: the "executive producer"/"promoter" can set up whatever rules they want. its their event and their money.
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On August 20 2015 03:50 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2015 19:30 Endymion wrote:
the ego in this thread is ridiculous, the foreigner scene is so full of scrubs that it's crazy... play starcraft or dont. be the best that you can be or lose, that's always what scbw has been about.. if you get caught hacking then get banned, if you shit talk then reap the repercussions by not having as many practice partners.. iccup admins, STOP spamming EVERY user online with BS that /dnd can't even block, i don't care that it is some idiot's birthday or that you're looking for admins!
if this tourny is banning kids for being 'rude,' then it's obviously a tournament for noobs(unless it's banning laggers like peru and chile, which iccup doesn't do because it's run by idiots.
there's a reason why anyone actually serious about starcraft knows or learns koreans to get the fuck away from the noobfest that is iccup Thanks for your message, I will forward them to my former colleagues. Personally, I'm happy I was able to get yet another user of the server. It was my goal to piss off as many people as possible, for the glory of Satan of course. Also, once the server is empty, we could finally use all our resources for ICCup-Hello-Kitty-Island-Adventure. Please spread the word and make more people quite this silly nonsense game forever. This being said, Happy Birthday ZaRaki!
you forgot:
We're looking for iCCup Admins!!! Message iCCup.NooB for more information!
as well as my personal favorite:
A/B cup is going on now! please go to: "FULL TWITCH ADDRESS" as well as "SECOND FULL TWITCH ADDRESS" to watch! (which blankets the entire screen... dnd exists for a reason...)
i'm just saying, if you want to be taken seriously then stop spamming everyone
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On August 20 2015 18:40 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 03:50 GeckoXp wrote:On August 19 2015 19:30 Endymion wrote:
the ego in this thread is ridiculous, the foreigner scene is so full of scrubs that it's crazy... play starcraft or dont. be the best that you can be or lose, that's always what scbw has been about.. if you get caught hacking then get banned, if you shit talk then reap the repercussions by not having as many practice partners.. iccup admins, STOP spamming EVERY user online with BS that /dnd can't even block, i don't care that it is some idiot's birthday or that you're looking for admins!
if this tourny is banning kids for being 'rude,' then it's obviously a tournament for noobs(unless it's banning laggers like peru and chile, which iccup doesn't do because it's run by idiots.
there's a reason why anyone actually serious about starcraft knows or learns koreans to get the fuck away from the noobfest that is iccup Thanks for your message, I will forward them to my former colleagues. Personally, I'm happy I was able to get yet another user of the server. It was my goal to piss off as many people as possible, for the glory of Satan of course. Also, once the server is empty, we could finally use all our resources for ICCup-Hello-Kitty-Island-Adventure. Please spread the word and make more people quite this silly nonsense game forever. This being said, Happy Birthday ZaRaki! you forgot: We're looking for iCCup Admins!!! Message iCCup.NooB for more information! as well as my personal favorite: A/B cup is going on now! please go to: "FULL TWITCH ADDRESS" as well as "SECOND FULL TWITCH ADDRESS" to watch! (which blankets the entire screen... dnd exists for a reason...) i'm just saying, if you want to be taken seriously then stop spamming everyone
most people like to know when these events are going on. If you don't, then im sorry for you. However, if YOU want to be taken seriously with this point i recommend two things
a) write your opinion, where it belongs! iccup.com You can't post this in some random blog and expect ICC staff to read and react to it.
b) express yourself in a civil way, then people will listen! As for your main point: i could see altering the /ann system, so /dnd blocks it, or introduce a special command like /dnd all which blocks it. If your playing announcements can be disturbing for the concentration, i know this.
But the decision is not mine, so pls post this where it is read by the appropriate admins.
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On August 20 2015 18:40 Endymion wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 03:50 GeckoXp wrote:On August 19 2015 19:30 Endymion wrote:
the ego in this thread is ridiculous, the foreigner scene is so full of scrubs that it's crazy... play starcraft or dont. be the best that you can be or lose, that's always what scbw has been about.. if you get caught hacking then get banned, if you shit talk then reap the repercussions by not having as many practice partners.. iccup admins, STOP spamming EVERY user online with BS that /dnd can't even block, i don't care that it is some idiot's birthday or that you're looking for admins!
if this tourny is banning kids for being 'rude,' then it's obviously a tournament for noobs(unless it's banning laggers like peru and chile, which iccup doesn't do because it's run by idiots.
there's a reason why anyone actually serious about starcraft knows or learns koreans to get the fuck away from the noobfest that is iccup Thanks for your message, I will forward them to my former colleagues. Personally, I'm happy I was able to get yet another user of the server. It was my goal to piss off as many people as possible, for the glory of Satan of course. Also, once the server is empty, we could finally use all our resources for ICCup-Hello-Kitty-Island-Adventure. Please spread the word and make more people quite this silly nonsense game forever. This being said, Happy Birthday ZaRaki! you forgot: We're looking for iCCup Admins!!! Message iCCup.NooB for more information! as well as my personal favorite: A/B cup is going on now! please go to: "FULL TWITCH ADDRESS" as well as "SECOND FULL TWITCH ADDRESS" to watch! (which blankets the entire screen... dnd exists for a reason...) i'm just saying, if you want to be taken seriously then stop spamming everyone
Well, since we're always trying to find the biggest and most idiotic idiot to run the server, you should totally try. So far you're making a so underwhelming impression, showing such a great talent and apparently are willing to master any obstalce - really, please write your application. I think you will be head admin in no time, seems like you're the real deal.
ICCup A/B Tour starts in 1 Day 20 Minutes, link probably twitch.tv/imeonzerg
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On August 20 2015 23:45 GeckoXp wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2015 18:40 Endymion wrote:On August 20 2015 03:50 GeckoXp wrote:On August 19 2015 19:30 Endymion wrote:
the ego in this thread is ridiculous, the foreigner scene is so full of scrubs that it's crazy... play starcraft or dont. be the best that you can be or lose, that's always what scbw has been about.. if you get caught hacking then get banned, if you shit talk then reap the repercussions by not having as many practice partners.. iccup admins, STOP spamming EVERY user online with BS that /dnd can't even block, i don't care that it is some idiot's birthday or that you're looking for admins!
if this tourny is banning kids for being 'rude,' then it's obviously a tournament for noobs(unless it's banning laggers like peru and chile, which iccup doesn't do because it's run by idiots.
there's a reason why anyone actually serious about starcraft knows or learns koreans to get the fuck away from the noobfest that is iccup Thanks for your message, I will forward them to my former colleagues. Personally, I'm happy I was able to get yet another user of the server. It was my goal to piss off as many people as possible, for the glory of Satan of course. Also, once the server is empty, we could finally use all our resources for ICCup-Hello-Kitty-Island-Adventure. Please spread the word and make more people quite this silly nonsense game forever. This being said, Happy Birthday ZaRaki! you forgot: We're looking for iCCup Admins!!! Message iCCup.NooB for more information! as well as my personal favorite: A/B cup is going on now! please go to: "FULL TWITCH ADDRESS" as well as "SECOND FULL TWITCH ADDRESS" to watch! (which blankets the entire screen... dnd exists for a reason...) i'm just saying, if you want to be taken seriously then stop spamming everyone Well, since we're always trying to find the biggest and most idiotic idiot to run the server, you should totally try. So far you're making a so underwhelming impression, showing such a great talent and apparently are willing to master any obstalce - really, please write your application. I think you will be head admin in no time, seems like you're the real deal. ICCup A/B Tour starts in 1 Day 20 Minutes, link probably twitch.tv/imeonzerg
whatever, iccup admins are like the Queen's Guard, you can flame them all day long and they don't move an inch. sorry, but i don't respect an organization that doesn't ban chileans and peruvians with 500MS from A/B tournies because "they're not lagging" (there's a reason why everyone bans them when they join lobbies...). i'm thankful for the functional server for the foreigner scene that refuses to learn korean, but as far as iccup administration on the server goes i couldn't have a lower opinion. your ad hominems certainly don't help (assuming you're an iccup admin, i don't know who else in their right mind would defend them)
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lol seriously the reason why you don't play iccup is that iccup doesn't ban people from chile and peru? that's ridiculous.
Also, jimmyjraynor, I really can't agree with your claim that Giyom's success was caused by his korean assimilation. I don't know when you started following competitive brood war, but Giyom was basically the best player in the world before he went to Korea. He won PGL season 4 and the Brood War World Championship in 1999, two of the absolutely biggest tournaments that year, and went to Korea in early 2000.
Additionally, it's not like Korea was really dominant during this era anyway. I'd argue that in 1999, there were more top players outside Korea than inside Korea - this changes for sure in 2000 though, and might not have been true at the end of 99 either. Slayer won KBK in 2000 as well - this was an era where nonkorean players actually could compete with the Koreans. If the OSL Giyom won had had 50% koreans and 50% the best players from outside Korea, it easily could have been a nonkorean final.
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in fact Giyom is a funny example to use because you could just as well argue that his assimilation into Korean culture and learning the language is what caused his brood war downfall lol
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