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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
March 16 2015 19:00 GMT
#21
On March 17 2015 03:57 GGzerG wrote:
I'm fortunate enough that my parents did not mind me playing video games since I was 2 years old, this would be hell for me. Thanks or sharing.

Yeah, my parents were really tech-friendly as well. I've been a gamer as long as I can remember ^^
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codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
March 16 2015 19:53 GMT
#22
On March 17 2015 02:31 QuanticHawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2015 22:15 GeckoXp wrote:


To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't know what kind of policy I'd bring up if I had to watch over kids.


my rule of thumb will basically be I don't particular care as long as you have other interests outside of video games/tv/internet.

my personal experience and what ive seen a lot elsewhere is that if you try to force something kids end up totally hating it more often than not and resent you

Parenting choices are scary

That used to be what I thought I'd do when I had kids, but then I got into SC2 and realized that many video games are every bit as enriching as basically any other activity. If I have kids and they want to play video games till bed time (after they've done their homework, no exceptions on that one; I failed out of college due to procrastination), but yeah if they want to play video games till bed time I honestly won't care. I mean video games are a social activity (for me watching livestreams is about the most social interraction I ever get), and they're a mental workout. So I honestly don't see the problem with playing them non-stop.
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codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
March 16 2015 20:04 GMT
#23
On March 17 2015 02:27 resfirestar wrote:
Oh hey, another Waldorf kid! I was actually homeschooled using a lot of Waldorf curriculum and philosophy since my area had no Waldorf schools (and my parents probably couldn't afford such a thing if there was). Gradually, we moved away from Waldorf curriculum and used Singapore math and science, National Geographic history and reading tons of books on my own in lieu of a formal English education. Still, I was banned from video games and non-PBS television until I was 12 or 13.

The whole Waldorf drawing thing, looking back, must have actually harmed my artistic skills. The only people I know who are worse at sketching things are some physics professors. My 12th grade English teacher at the public high school always marked me down on illustrating things (yeah it was weird) because my drawings looked a lot like this masterpiece OP linked even though I still haven't touched watercolor since 4th grade or something.

I got into video games when my parents started letting me go online for 1-3 hours per day, and while I spent it working on Wikipedia, people on IRC would talk about games so I tried some out when mom wasn't looking. The most memorable were SCBW and Star Wars Battlefront, which explains my continuing fascination with both series.

Overall I think the only advantage I might have from spending K-8 at home would be that I'm less burned out on education than some of my peers at college. My social skills and knowledge of culture are pretty limited though, and among the fellow non-burnouts it's all about how good your high school was this early in the program.

So yeah, thanks for sharing! Mom always talked about the idea of sending me to Waldorf school like it was the greatest thing ever, I always wondered what it was really like.

Oh god, yeah, my mom instantly got sucked in big time. Luckily the Waldorf school I attended wasn't too cultish (I've read some accounts online of some Waldorf schools being straight-up cults), but yeah, my mom was always going on about how awesome everything they did was. Well, not everything. See, most Waldorf schools are tight-knit communities, and many parents are constantly volunteering to help out with something. Now my mom was a university professor (as was my dad), and so of course having a full-time job made her pressed for time. But she used to get mad because they had this expectation that she'd be able to constantly volunteer. She was always getting asked to help bake things (she hates baking), and she would often complain that they didn't respect the fact that she had a job "as good as any man's job".

Looking back, it seems as if Waldorf schools may be a few decades behind the rest of society when it comes to Women's rights. I remember one incident in 5th grade where my teacher forced this girl to wave her hands over her head to demonstrate that her shirt would lift up when she waved her hands over her head (wasn't showing her belly when her hands were in the normal-position), and then he balled her out for having her shirt too short (only "too short" if she waves her hands over her head!). At the time I just thought it was funny that she got in trouble, but looking back I'm like "holy shit, my teacher slut-shamed an 11yo girl". I've lost a lot of respect for him just based on that one incident.

That's interesting that you say the Waldorf art style hurt your artistic abilities. I've never been much of an artist, but some of my classmates were quite into it and they seem to have learned well with it. But yeah, if I try and sketch something it looks every bit as bad as this beeswax block crayon scribbling.

High fives to you for managing to get your video-game fix inspite of the oppressive regime!
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codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
March 16 2015 20:16 GMT
#24
On March 17 2015 02:02 lisward wrote:
Hi Avilo's Mod

I had a bat shit crazy mom. I was only worth the grades I got in school, and even then that wasn't much, considering my mother's vanity. I got 3rd in the whole cohort once for mathematics, 96/100. She smiled. She called her friends to boast. The smugness dripped away and she furrowed her brows and she frowned. John scored 98 and it was 'easy'.

I loved video games, so my dad and my uncle would gift me the latest Nintendo handheld console each Christmas. I'd often get to play it for a week before it got locked up. If there were holidays, I got to play it for a week too, but after around a year they'd disappear. I learned later on in adulthood that she was giving them away.

I was into Yu-gi-oh once and my dad bought me this whole set of stuff from eBay. A world champions deck he said. There was a competitor pass and poster too. I never had friends to play it with, so I'd spend whatever free time I had (not much), admiring the cards. Sometimes to get away from my mom, I'd pretend to have constipation. I'd lock myself in the bathroom with my purple coloured deck box containing my Yu-gi-oh cards in their official, transparent, Yu-Gi-Oh branded sleeves, and I'd just go through them one by one, admiring the art. Sometimes Id takes the card out and enjoy the crisp smell.

One day my mom got cross with me and she threatened to burn the cards and one day I never saw them again.

Still, I persisted. I'd peep at my mom as she used the computer and I'd memorize the password. She was a parrot lover so it was natural the password be africangrey. The species of our first pet parrot, Bongo. On occasion, she'd leave the house, be it to look at parrakeets, have brunch with the parents support group, or gallivant. When she did so, she'd leave me with a stack of revision papers. I'd do the first 5 pages and I'd go up to my room and I'd open the blinds ever so slightly and I'd turn on the computer and play Warcraft 3. I learned to keep the lights off as a precaution, as there was no reason for my mother to see the window of the second storey illuminated as she parked her car across the street.

I'd do this every time, and every time I'd get the shit beaten out of me.

I regret nothing.

What is it about mom's and trading card games? Why don't mom's get it? And dad's too, for that matter. I was into pokemon TCG (got into that a few years before my friend rescued me by giving me his GBA). Every time I would buy a booster pack she'd give me this sad look that made me feel like I was probably rotting my brain or something (my dad still gives me that look whenever I eat something unhealthy).

My parents were somewhat liberal compared to some of my classmates' parents. When 9/11 happened, my mom showed me the twin towers on TV; most of my classmates parents didn't let them see that. Tbh I'm glad I wasn't kept in the dark; it wouldn't have done any good. I could sense the fear in the rest of the country, and not seeing what had actually happened would have been detrimental.

Anyway back to TCG. I kind of lost interest in the pokemon TCG once I received my friends GBA. No point in spending my money on cards if I can just play the video game, I figured. I must have played through Fire Red and Ruby so many times.

My mom also had a password on her computer. Usually I had my own account but I pissed her off once and she changed my password so I couldn't log on unless she logged me in. I managed to steal it by setting up a video camera and telling her it was so I could "see where all the mice were coming in". And she bought it. Hook line and sinker. To this day I'm surprised she fell for that story. She's not all that gullible.
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resfirestar
Profile Joined January 2012
United States109 Posts
March 16 2015 20:39 GMT
#25
On March 17 2015 05:04 codonbyte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2015 02:27 resfirestar wrote:
Oh hey, another Waldorf kid! I was actually homeschooled using a lot of Waldorf curriculum and philosophy since my area had no Waldorf schools (and my parents probably couldn't afford such a thing if there was). Gradually, we moved away from Waldorf curriculum and used Singapore math and science, National Geographic history and reading tons of books on my own in lieu of a formal English education. Still, I was banned from video games and non-PBS television until I was 12 or 13.

The whole Waldorf drawing thing, looking back, must have actually harmed my artistic skills. The only people I know who are worse at sketching things are some physics professors. My 12th grade English teacher at the public high school always marked me down on illustrating things (yeah it was weird) because my drawings looked a lot like this masterpiece OP linked even though I still haven't touched watercolor since 4th grade or something.

I got into video games when my parents started letting me go online for 1-3 hours per day, and while I spent it working on Wikipedia, people on IRC would talk about games so I tried some out when mom wasn't looking. The most memorable were SCBW and Star Wars Battlefront, which explains my continuing fascination with both series.

Overall I think the only advantage I might have from spending K-8 at home would be that I'm less burned out on education than some of my peers at college. My social skills and knowledge of culture are pretty limited though, and among the fellow non-burnouts it's all about how good your high school was this early in the program.

So yeah, thanks for sharing! Mom always talked about the idea of sending me to Waldorf school like it was the greatest thing ever, I always wondered what it was really like.

Oh god, yeah, my mom instantly got sucked in big time. Luckily the Waldorf school I attended wasn't too cultish (I've read some accounts online of some Waldorf schools being straight-up cults), but yeah, my mom was always going on about how awesome everything they did was. Well, not everything. See, most Waldorf schools are tight-knit communities, and many parents are constantly volunteering to help out with something. Now my mom was a university professor (as was my dad), and so of course having a full-time job made her pressed for time. But she used to get mad because they had this expectation that she'd be able to constantly volunteer. She was always getting asked to help bake things (she hates baking), and she would often complain that they didn't respect the fact that she had a job "as good as any man's job".

Looking back, it seems as if Waldorf schools may be a few decades behind the rest of society when it comes to Women's rights. I remember one incident in 5th grade where my teacher forced this girl to wave her hands over her head to demonstrate that her shirt would lift up when she waved her hands over her head (wasn't showing her belly when her hands were in the normal-position), and then he balled her out for having her shirt too short (only "too short" if she waves her hands over her head!). At the time I just thought it was funny that she got in trouble, but looking back I'm like "holy shit, my teacher slut-shamed an 11yo girl". I've lost a lot of respect for him just based on that one incident.

That's interesting that you say the Waldorf art style hurt your artistic abilities. I've never been much of an artist, but some of my classmates were quite into it and they seem to have learned well with it. But yeah, if I try and sketch something it looks every bit as bad as this beeswax block crayon scribbling.

High fives to you for managing to get your video-game fix inspite of the oppressive regime!

Probably it was more that mom wasn't really an artist either (she studied electrical engineering) so despite buying all the books and beeswax fucking everything, our arts and crafts definitely weren't at the intended level. Though maybe with some imagination you could see watercolors like mine in a modern art gallery. (joking, joking)

The womens' rights atmosphere sounds awful. I lived in the south until college so it wouldn't be shocking for something like that to happen in a public school (and it would be standard in the ultra-christian private schools), but my parents and their homeschooling friends are very left-wing so I've always associated Waldorf with their type of thinking. I guess when you give people that much control over a group of kids some of the shitty things they've internalized come out of hiding.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-03-16 21:05:46
March 16 2015 21:05 GMT
#26
So what games have you played to this point?
Did you end up playing classic series like zelda etc?
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fluffy_pylon
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
United States79 Posts
March 16 2015 21:26 GMT
#27
I can't imagine living like that, tbh.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32049 Posts
March 16 2015 21:31 GMT
#28
On March 17 2015 04:53 codonbyte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2015 02:31 QuanticHawk wrote:
On March 16 2015 22:15 GeckoXp wrote:


To be perfectly honest, I wouldn't know what kind of policy I'd bring up if I had to watch over kids.


my rule of thumb will basically be I don't particular care as long as you have other interests outside of video games/tv/internet.

my personal experience and what ive seen a lot elsewhere is that if you try to force something kids end up totally hating it more often than not and resent you

Parenting choices are scary

That used to be what I thought I'd do when I had kids, but then I got into SC2 and realized that many video games are every bit as enriching as basically any other activity. If I have kids and they want to play video games till bed time (after they've done their homework, no exceptions on that one; I failed out of college due to procrastination), but yeah if they want to play video games till bed time I honestly won't care. I mean video games are a social activity (for me watching livestreams is about the most social interraction I ever get), and they're a mental workout. So I honestly don't see the problem with playing them non-stop.

I'm not debating the merits or gaming or anything, but just saying that I would like to raise my children in such a way that they're interested in exploring new hobbies, not just spending all their free time in a week playing one game or different games! Having one hobby isn't good, whether it's reading, gaming, soccer, etc.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
March 16 2015 22:02 GMT
#29
Agree with Hawk. Having narrow interests is not a virtue, no matter what other people in this community might say. If I have kids, I would want them to have a well-rounded set of hobbies as well.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
March 16 2015 22:05 GMT
#30
Waldorf schools are so ridiculous. I don't understand parents sending their kids there.
codonbyte
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States840 Posts
March 17 2015 01:29 GMT
#31
On March 17 2015 06:05 NovemberstOrm wrote:
So what games have you played to this point?
Did you end up playing classic series like zelda etc?

I haven't played nearly enough video-games, man. Let's see: I've played all the pokemon games (too) many times. Then I got into BW right before SC2 came out (never even came close to getting good at it. Then I was into SC2 but found I enjoy watching more than playing.

The game I've gotten the most into is Minecraft. I started a Let's Play series about 2 years ago (think it was 2 years anyway), and that went well. I've found that I really enjoy building automated monster farms and experience grinders. Haven't played minecraft that recently, would like to get back into it.

Oh yeah, and I was playing Sim City 5 for awhile. Planning to download the City Skylines game probably tomorrow. And yeah, that's about it for games that I've played. In my free time when I'm not gaming I mostly just program, but I'm far too distracted and disorganized to actually get anything done most of the time.

But no, I haven't played Zelda or any of those classics (other than very briefly when hanging out with non-Waldorf friends as a kid).
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32049 Posts
March 17 2015 01:42 GMT
#32
you just reminded me that I do need to get skylines too ahhhhhhh

to help you get up to speed otherwise:
gog.com
http://www.letsplaysnes.com/

im usre there are plenty of more that others can direct you to!
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