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Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
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Last Edited: 2015-02-13 21:05:25
February 13 2015 21:02 GMT
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Uranium
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1077 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-13 21:45:31
February 13 2015 21:43 GMT
#2
You bought a 3k mmr account? 3k isn't even good. I placed at 3.6k and I've been playing dota for 13 years. That's over half my fucking life. And I'm still only 3.6k.

If you're buying 3k accounts I'll sell you my smurf >.>


edit: OK I came off like a giant dick. Add me in game if you want. I play on the account name "Ogre's moobs" mostly lately - that's my smurf. Let's play some matches and maybe I can help you a little bit. Maybe you are really pro and we can just crush noobs. I'd love to have a ranked duo partner. Otherwise we'll have a rage fueled flameout and unfriend each other and nobody will be worse off.
"Sentry imba! You see? YOU SEE??!!" - Sen | "Marauder die die!" - oGsMC | "Oh my god, she texted me back!" - Day[9]
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-14 00:24:48
February 14 2015 00:22 GMT
#3
I know what you mean.

I calibrated at low 2k on my main account. Like you, I didn't believe my MMR was accurate so I bought a 4k MMR account. I lost 500 MMR at first, but after a month or so my MMR started rising and I'm at 5.5k right now (was briefly on the leaderboards for about a week).

The MMR system is incredibly inaccurate and it's definitely possible for you to be calibrated far below your actual skill level. I think this is because calibration uses factors like hero damage and GPM so if you play support consistently then you end up being rated really low. If I never bought an account I'd probably still be stuck in the 2k MMR trench.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
February 14 2015 02:25 GMT
#4
On February 14 2015 09:22 Cool Cat wrote:
I know what you mean.

I calibrated at low 2k on my main account. Like you, I didn't believe my MMR was accurate so I bought a 4k MMR account. I lost 500 MMR at first, but after a month or so my MMR started rising and I'm at 5.5k right now (was briefly on the leaderboards for about a week).

The MMR system is incredibly inaccurate and it's definitely possible for you to be calibrated far below your actual skill level. I think this is because calibration uses factors like hero damage and GPM so if you play support consistently then you end up being rated really low. If I never bought an account I'd probably still be stuck in the 2k MMR trench.


Have you made any posts about your experience? I think there is very little information in the dotosphere in general aimed at helping players improve. Granted, you didn't exactly start from the bottom and work your way up, but rising ~2k is still pretty good.

@OP- did you stabilize at your original MMR?
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FFGenerations
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
7088 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-14 04:58:02
February 14 2015 04:57 GMT
#5
i think getting coached is super vital, there's so much to just "figure out" by yourself that unless you play like an addict and are really smart its impossible. you might be playing really well in some aspects and wonder why you're still not winning - its because you just don't know certain things and are handicapped without realising it. that's why its so frustrating. after that its mechanics and i think you learn that from playing the same hero a million times - some people are better than others at learning this but at least its something you know you can practice
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Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-14 07:00:19
February 14 2015 07:00 GMT
#6
On February 14 2015 11:25 Jerubaal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2015 09:22 Cool Cat wrote:
I know what you mean.

I calibrated at low 2k on my main account. Like you, I didn't believe my MMR was accurate so I bought a 4k MMR account. I lost 500 MMR at first, but after a month or so my MMR started rising and I'm at 5.5k right now (was briefly on the leaderboards for about a week).

The MMR system is incredibly inaccurate and it's definitely possible for you to be calibrated far below your actual skill level. I think this is because calibration uses factors like hero damage and GPM so if you play support consistently then you end up being rated really low. If I never bought an account I'd probably still be stuck in the 2k MMR trench.


Have you made any posts about your experience? I think there is very little information in the dotosphere in general aimed at helping players improve. Granted, you didn't exactly start from the bottom and work your way up, but rising ~2k is still pretty good.

@OP- did you stabilize at your original MMR?

No I haven't.

On February 14 2015 13:57 FFGenerations wrote:
i think getting coached is super vital, there's so much to just "figure out" by yourself that unless you play like an addict and are really smart its impossible. you might be playing really well in some aspects and wonder why you're still not winning - its because you just don't know certain things and are handicapped without realising it. that's why its so frustrating. after that its mechanics and i think you learn that from playing the same hero a million times - some people are better than others at learning this but at least its something you know you can practice

Agreed. There are a lot of concepts that are really simple and make a lot of sense but are things that you wouldn't necessarily think of by yourself and can vastly improve your gameplay.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 14 2015 07:31 GMT
#7
On February 14 2015 09:22 Cool Cat wrote:
I think this is because calibration uses factors like hero damage and GPM so if you play support consistently then you end up being rated really low.

It uses your normal MMR as a starting point though. Unless you do insanely well or insanely poorly, the 10 calibration games don't land you THAT far from your normal MMR. Like you might end up +/- 500, not +/- 1000.

It's more likely that someone's normal MMR might not be totally representative of their current skill when they make the jump into ranked. If they started totally fresh or don't take normal games seriously, then their normal MMR might lag well below where it should be if they jump into ranked the moment they hit the required level.
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Thermia
Profile Joined August 2010
United States866 Posts
February 15 2015 19:54 GMT
#8
These posts are always the best if you know his background.
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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
February 16 2015 09:23 GMT
#9
On February 14 2015 06:43 Uranium wrote:
Otherwise we'll have a rage fueled flameout and unfriend each other and nobody will be worse off.

would love to see this please stream
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22208 Posts
February 16 2015 13:32 GMT
#10
On February 16 2015 04:54 Thermia wrote:
These posts are always the best if you know his background.

Oh god I just read that reddit thread about the toilet...
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
saocyn
Profile Joined July 2011
United States937 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-02-17 07:32:17
February 17 2015 07:24 GMT
#11
here's the thing (i'm a 5.3 mid player who has semi-professional experience)
who cares what you do with your money or the approval of the mass? i know it sounds degrading or insulting but half the people giving you advice also is equally as bad or the same!
i've had clients who wanted me to smurf them to 5k and or 6k within 2-3 month time period for cash, no qualms about it. anyone who's not on a pro team or has great revenue from streaming and is spending alot of time playing obviously needs the money or to get a job.

i'm not saying get paid to have someone smurf for you, what i'm saying is, it's worth paying for coaching or mentorship in something you yourself can't figure out despite work ethic. and yes it is worth paying a coach who you yourself see is someone that is worth teaching you, often times that is a recognition of someone with the same style of learning and someone who personifies the better version of yourself! or who you could see becoming.
i don't think you should ever post about buying an account even if your intentions were good. the reason is the majority of society just won't ever understand you, but if you are willing to put in the work after paying for it, i applaud you, but i would still never want to have to deal with you on my team lmfao. it's the double standard.
the difference is, you pay for mmr which you intend to KEEP UP, and you intended to not only improve from there but also hired a coach to help you keep it there, i see nothing wrong with that. this coach was to some extent credible, outside of his use of "refreshing" i will say get coaches that have more diversity than people like w33haa. i see alot of you guys going after people who charge ridiculous rates when you have access to people like EG.Fear who charges the same rate for a period of close to 3 years when he wasn't as consistent.

if you are to hire a coach hire one where you want to learn the HERO HE PLAYS HIS BEST IN, and obviously is someone with not just a reputation for skill but HAS A REPUTATION FOR BEING MORE SKILLFUL THAN THE OTHERS ON HIS LEVEL. don't pay for anything but the best. before you pay, FIND better players to ask for advice who you know IN GAME. don't take advice from forums where you can't see MMR or have experienced playing with or against. don't be afraid to ask for free advice and save your money on things that can be tackled at the basic or intermediate levels.

don't pay for advice if you are not willing to APPLY THE ADVICE OR HAVE THE TIME TO DO SO. i used to train 13-14 hours a day in high ranked and team ranked games. often times if you can't put that same amount of effort in, you won't have the discipline or the mindset to get good because you won't develop the analytical or observational skills that come with putting in effort. the majority of the semi-pro or amateur scene you see now are just those who have played since the inception of the game....it takes time and you need to give yourself time. everyone of the TI-Champions outside of maybe bulldog (exception to the rule) had a long fucking history of 5-10 years experience....so that tells you something. if you pride y yourself more out of making it out of the grind and won't accept work done for you, you will be more successful than anyone who ever purchases an account.

play to win vs playing for fun and learn to distance or disassociate those who don't hold the same goal or standard. it is your time you spend, fuck what anyone else plays for, you don't have to play with them if they don't share the same perspective, it's your life not theirs. if your intention is to win and the nice guy who wants to play but drags you down and doesn't wish to improve or be out of his comfort zone? why should you lose because he doesn't take it seriously? if this guy is getting drunk occasionally, disconnecting, yeah you can still be friends, but just don't play with him as much or at all in ranked. play with people better than you and who are also willing to help or assist you before you pay.

get out of inexperience before you pay for advice. the only time you should require advice is if you attempt to transition to the pro scene. its just not worth paying for it if you can't use it to earn you money or realistically make you win the hardest games you are going to face. i didn't pay for advice but when i did take on a mentor it was from a person who (i won't disclose) but known to be the absolute best player in the elite circle in a specific role. the people he has trained has won numerous tournaments over notable pro players. he actually refused to charge me because of how much i was willing to learn and be open-minded to suggestions, he was happier that i succeeded and proved his theories were correct than any money i could have given him. and this was after i put in 7 thousand hours / games worth of consistent improvement with always a small goal or larger goal in mind. if you don't have consistent things you're working on in game, you won't improve that's all i can say. i then applied 3 thousand hours of drills he insisted and i dominated the competition allowing me to participate in the finals vs pro teams, but still wasn't capable of securing the gold. but was it worth it? absolutely.
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