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parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 01:52:32
January 08 2015 01:51 GMT
#1
Hi guys, my name is Jae, and this is the part 2 of my customer service frustration blog.

So I ordered a textbook from B&N couple days ago, and clearly cancelled the first one before ordering the second one (identical books, but different duration rental), but B&N shipped + charged me for both books.

So I saved the chat here

+ Show Spoiler +
You are now connected with Bernie from BN.com

Bernie: Thanks for joining Barnes and Noble Chat. My name is Bernie. [20:17:12 EST]

Bernie: Hi Jae. [20:17:29 EST]

Bernie: I hope you're having a good day. How may I help you? [20:17:38 EST]

Jae: hello

Jae: I canceled this order 848841871

Jae: but you guys sent me the order to my home anyway

Jae: so now I have two books

Jae: and two charges

Bernie: We apologize for the inconvenience this has caused you. [20:18:26 EST]

Jae: okay

Jae: i'll ship the extra book back with B&N paying for the shipping

Jae: and i want the refund on the $71 charge

Bernie: I understand that you received 2 same books. [20:19:31 EST]

Jae: yea

Bernie: May I ask for the other order number? [20:19:41 EST]

Jae: 848843035

Bernie: Thank you for that information. [20:20:03 EST]

Bernie: Upon checking, the items were delivered on 01/06 and 01/07. [20:20:09 EST]

Bernie: We have a generous, 21-day, any-reason return policy. Just return the book, and as long as we receive it by day 21 in the same condition as when you purchased it, we'll give you a full refund (minus $5 return fee). [20:21:36 EST]

Bernie: I've already sent the UPS return label to you via e-mail so you can return one item for free. You'll receive it shortly. [20:21:44 EST]

Bernie: Please print the label, affix it to the package, and bring it to your nearest UPS Drop-Off location. [20:22:09 EST]

Jae: why is there a return fee that I have to pay when it was a mistaken move by B&N?

Jae: I clearly cancelled the first book before ordering the 2nd one

Bernie: Did you contact us to cancel the order? [20:22:51 EST]

Jae: and I even talked to a chat representative to ensure that it was going to be cancelled

Jae: I canceled it online, then talked to a chat representative

Jae: it has wasted my time and energy

Bernie: Okay. [20:23:34 EST]

Jae: i want a full refund on the first book without incurring the return fee, and i want some kind of discount on the second book

Bernie: Please give me a few more minutes to check into this. [20:23:55 EST]

Jae: for making me do this

Bernie: One moment, please. [20:24:01 EST]

Jae: ok

Bernie: Good. [20:24:20 EST]

Bernie: Thank you for patiently waiting. [20:24:24 EST]

Jae: ok

Bernie: Jae, please return the other item using cthe return label the I've sent to your e-mail address. [20:27:04 EST]

Bernie: If in case you do not receive a full refund for that item, please get back to us so we can refund the remaining amount. [20:27:06 EST]

Jae: what about the $5 return fee?

Jae: i'm not paying that

Bernie: Please make sure to take note of the return tracking tracking number as a reference. [20:28:07 EST]

Bernie: Like what I've said, you can return the item for free using the return label. [20:28:10 EST]

Jae: yes i know that part.

Jae: I'm talking about the amount that will be refunded..will it be a full refund?

Bernie: I also mentioned that. [20:28:54 EST]

Bernie: If in case you do not receive a full refund for that item, please get back to us so we can refund the remaining amount. [20:29:12 EST]

Jae: you're not giving me a definite answer right now.

Jae: you're saying "if" or "in case"

Jae: I'm asking you directly

Bernie: Let me finish it first. [20:29:50 EST]

Jae: will I get a full refund or not? 100%

Bernie: I' not yet done. [20:29:57 EST]

Jae: ok

Bernie: *I'm [20:30:02 EST]

Bernie: Once our warehouse receives your package, a full refund will be automatically issued to your original method of payment. We are not the one who will give the refund directly, but the warehouse. [20:30:07 EST]

Jae: are you there?

Jae: okay i'll take note of it

Jae: you said "full refund"

Bernie: That's right. [20:36:51 EST]

Jae: what can B&N do for the hassle I had to go through because the site didn't correctly cancel the first order?

Bernie: Please note that only limited changes can be done once an order is placed. [20:37:58 EST]

Bernie: Please accept our apologies about this issue. [20:38:29 EST]

Jae: what type of limited changes?

Bernie: Any changes like cancellation, change of shipping address, billing address, etc. [20:38:44 EST]

Jae: so let me get this straight: B&N screws up my order and charges me twice, and I have to use my own gas and time to ship back the mistake that B&N caused, and I don't get compensated for it?

Bernie: I'll make sure to document your frustration so our management would know. [20:40:13 EST]

Bernie: Is there anything else I may assist you with? [20:41:36 EST]

Jae: oh thanks, I'm sure your documentation will compensate everything

Jae: I didn't even get the email you said you sent with the packing slip

Jae: what a joke..

Bernie: I've already sent. [20:42:28 EST]

Jae: okay, now I've got it.

Bernie: Please wait for a few more minutes. [20:43:23 EST]

Bernie: Are we all set now? [20:43:30 EST]

Jae: yeah I guess there's no point in continuing this

Jae: I'm going to just rely on Amazon rather than B&N from now on

Bernie: Thanks once again for joining the Barnes & Noble Chat. Please click the exit button to properly end the session. Have a great day! [20:44:54 EST]

Jae: If it turns out to be a non-full refund, I'm saving this chat and holding you liable

The chat session has timed out and is now closed.


He signed out on me. Is there anyway I can report this asshole? If I don't get a full refund, I'm going to complain that he made a false representation. He did not, from the beginning, want to give me a clear answer. He was clearly being passive aggressive saying stuff like "I already said that" Is there anyway I can save the chat room # or reference number of this log?

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Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8096 Posts
January 08 2015 02:01 GMT
#2
Reading the chat it sounds to me like he acted really nice going out of his way to make sure you get what you want and you were being the douche.
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 02:05:56
January 08 2015 02:03 GMT
#3
On January 08 2015 11:01 Cokefreak wrote:
Reading the chat it sounds to me like he acted really nice going out of his way to make sure you get what you want and you were being the douche.


Actually, on the contrary, I didn't start giving him an attitude until he started being dodgy about the refund and tried to get me to pay the return fee. And other people would've been way more pissed from the beginning than I was, considering they got the order screwed up before the chat happened.
-Kaiser-
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada932 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 02:32:09
January 08 2015 02:28 GMT
#4
Up until

Bernie: If in case you do not receive a full refund for that item, please get back to us so we can refund the remaining amount. [20:27:06 EST]


you were being frustrated, but reasonable.

After that, you were an embarrassing douchebag. It must suck to be the people who have to be around you every day. If you're self-oblivious enough to post this on a forum for props you must be insufferable in real life.


After

Bernie: Like what I've said, you can return the item for free using the return label. [20:28:10 EST]

you have no excuse.

After
Bernie: I also mentioned that. [20:28:54 EST]

Bernie: If in case you do not receive a full refund for that item, please get back to us so we can refund the remaining amount. [20:29:12 EST]

You're so blatantly the asshole in that exchange that I start wondering if you're a Shauni alt. Did your unsatisfactory customer service make you hate women?
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
January 08 2015 03:49 GMT
#5
On January 08 2015 11:01 Cokefreak wrote:
Reading the chat it sounds to me like he acted really nice going out of his way to make sure you get what you want and you were being the douche.


basically this
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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 08 2015 05:44 GMT
#6
I gotta agree with the other two posters. I read the chat expecting to see Bernie be unreasonable or something but it seems I was wrong to expect that. It's one thing to be upset but he already said that you'll get the full refund then you had to ask it like three times except though he confirmed it. It's one thing if he said that yes, you'll be paying the return fee then I can see you rage a bit but when he was pretty reasonable and said you didn't have to.

On top of that, it felt like you were just aiming for confrontation and were even asking for a discount on the second book? Heck, even the email he sent you, you called him out on it only to receive it like a minute or two later so he wasn't lying or anything. Sorry but I sympathize with Bernie in this case.
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Souma
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
January 08 2015 06:15 GMT
#7
Poor Bernie. You are the hero douchebags don't deserve.
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parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 08:04:39
January 08 2015 07:58 GMT
#8
On January 08 2015 11:28 -Kaiser- wrote:
Up until

Show nested quote +
Bernie: If in case you do not receive a full refund for that item, please get back to us so we can refund the remaining amount. [20:27:06 EST]


you were being frustrated, but reasonable.

After that, you were an embarrassing douchebag. It must suck to be the people who have to be around you every day. If you're self-oblivious enough to post this on a forum for props you must be insufferable in real life.


After
Show nested quote +

Bernie: Like what I've said, you can return the item for free using the return label. [20:28:10 EST]

you have no excuse.

After
Show nested quote +
Bernie: I also mentioned that. [20:28:54 EST]

Bernie: If in case you do not receive a full refund for that item, please get back to us so we can refund the remaining amount. [20:29:12 EST]

You're so blatantly the asshole in that exchange that I start wondering if you're a Shauni alt. Did your unsatisfactory customer service make you hate women?


The hell is wrong with u? How does women come up in this?

If an order that u didn't ask for came to your house, and you are expected to ship it back just to get your money back, you would be a little frustrated too, especially if the agent mentions you need to pay a fee. If you read the chat, I didn't give him an attitude until he mentioned it. Put yourself in my shoes before you judge me you pretinous asshole.

And does it look like I posted this for props? Actually, The lack of common sense on you makes me feel that you're that insufferable idiot in real life that people try to avoid.

User was warned for this post
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-08 09:24:28
January 08 2015 09:18 GMT
#9
Wow.

While I wouldn't go as far as the other posters and calling you a douchebag, I still mostly agree with their sentiment: I really don't see any reason for you to complain about Bernie. He was being polite, professional and helpful. And you gradually went from being a normal guy to being a fucking rage machine and threatening him.

This kind of stuff makes me think that working in retail must really be hell...
mdb
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Bulgaria4059 Posts
January 08 2015 11:49 GMT
#10
Poor Bernie!
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
January 08 2015 13:41 GMT
#11
Reading this chat I am actually impressed with B&N service.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24805 Posts
January 08 2015 15:07 GMT
#12
Things would have gone more smoothly if you weren't such an entitled and emotional customer. The best way to conduct the type of conversation you were having there is free of any emotion. If you are getting pissed you can rage at your monitor... but raging at Bernie is counterproductive. Also, your objective should have been to return the first book for free... not demand some specific additional discount. After you have successfully returned the first book for free, perhaps then you can ask for a discount or credit for you troubles.
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nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
January 08 2015 16:39 GMT
#13
poor bernie!
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32161 Posts
January 08 2015 17:12 GMT
#14
So you're upset that you're too stupid to read that the $5 fee is waived with the printed label? And because he's saying call back in case they do not properly refund the full amount?
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
January 08 2015 17:29 GMT
#15
Wow lol posts looking for sympathy when he's the typical asshole customer. Hate people like that not his fault for the problem.
When I think of something else, something will go here
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
January 08 2015 19:55 GMT
#16
Poor Bernie. You gave him like 15 seconds to respond before being like ARE YOU THERE WTF. Don't be so entitled next time and you may get what you want.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
parkufarku
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
882 Posts
January 08 2015 21:26 GMT
#17
On January 09 2015 04:55 vult wrote:
Poor Bernie. You gave him like 15 seconds to respond before being like ARE YOU THERE WTF. Don't be so entitled next time and you may get what you want.


15 seconds? He made me wait about 6 min, then his sentence came on right when i typed that. You don't even know the context.
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
January 08 2015 21:35 GMT
#18
On January 08 2015 16:58 parkufarku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2015 11:28 -Kaiser- wrote:
Up until

Bernie: If in case you do not receive a full refund for that item, please get back to us so we can refund the remaining amount. [20:27:06 EST]


you were being frustrated, but reasonable.

After that, you were an embarrassing douchebag. It must suck to be the people who have to be around you every day. If you're self-oblivious enough to post this on a forum for props you must be insufferable in real life.


After

Bernie: Like what I've said, you can return the item for free using the return label. [20:28:10 EST]

you have no excuse.

After
Bernie: I also mentioned that. [20:28:54 EST]

Bernie: If in case you do not receive a full refund for that item, please get back to us so we can refund the remaining amount. [20:29:12 EST]

You're so blatantly the asshole in that exchange that I start wondering if you're a Shauni alt. Did your unsatisfactory customer service make you hate women?


The hell is wrong with u? How does women come up in this?

If an order that u didn't ask for came to your house, and you are expected to ship it back just to get your money back, you would be a little frustrated too, especially if the agent mentions you need to pay a fee. If you read the chat, I didn't give him an attitude until he mentioned it. Put yourself in my shoes before you judge me you pretinous asshole.

And does it look like I posted this for props? Actually, The lack of common sense on you makes me feel that you're that insufferable idiot in real life that people try to avoid.

User was warned for this post


Best way to tell people calling you a douchebag that you're not a douchebag. Act like a douchebag! Honestly have nothing else to add to everyone elses posts except that i mirror them tenfold. I got mildly frustrated just reading the OP/thread and i have no personal attachments.
Useless wet fish.
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
January 09 2015 00:09 GMT
#19
Your reading comprehension during the chat was utter failure, I feel sorry for Bernie.

+ Show Spoiler +
Bernie: We have a generous, 21-day, any-reason return policy. Just return the book, and as long as we receive it by day 21 in the same condition as when you purchased it, we'll give you a full refund (minus $5 return fee). [20:21:36 EST]

Bernie: I've already sent the UPS return label to you via e-mail so you can return one item for free. You'll receive it shortly. [20:21:44 EST]

Bernie: Please print the label, affix it to the package, and bring it to your nearest UPS Drop-Off location. [20:22:09 EST]

Jae: why is there a return fee that I have to pay when it was a mistaken move by B&N?


Literally reading this at the start you already get shit wrong, it progresses to worse from there.

He already guaranteed you would receive a full refund, however he is obviously working in customer service and not doing the refunding directly, that means if there is any discrepancy he asked you to contact them so he can fix that with the warehouse, which is providing the refund, instead you become all emotional.

Then you demand a discount for your second book, which he cannot provide because as with most order systems you cannot retroactively change a past order, if you had been friendly he could possibly have given you a voucher if that was even within his capabilities.

People like you are why customer service employees become cynical assholes after trying to do a good job.

I hope your next twenty book orders arrive in an untimely or wrong fashion regardless of supplier so you'll have more chances to improve your consumer interactions.

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
Heat_023
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada160 Posts
January 09 2015 06:57 GMT
#20
I side with Cokefreak, -Kaiser-, lichter, BigFan, Souma, LoneYoShi, mdb, Ghostcom, micronesia, nunez, QuanticHawk, blade55555, vult, Capped and DarkNetHunter : Bernie is more entitled to complain about you than you are to complain about him. Aaaaaaaaand... it's not even close.

Just as Cokefreak, -Kaiser-, lichter, BigFan, Souma, LoneYoShi, mdb, Ghostcom, micronesia, nunez, QuanticHawk, blade55555, vult, Capped and DarkNetHunter have previously said, directly or indirectly, on this day you have failed to be a good customer.
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