I'm in a bit of a lul in my musical self-training and I feel rather burned out about it.
Instead of working towards something, I'm wasting my time consuming pointless media, browsing for games I'm never going to play, items I'm never going to buy etc.
I'd love to learn how to build something, or how to tinker with things, or something competitive.
What I don't want to do:
- stare at a computer screen too much (like in programming, visual design etc.) - spend large amounts of money I don't have (like travelling) (- get into anime or other kinds of cartoons) To placate the weebos: I don't want more media consumption (TV shows, graphic novels and what have you).
What makes for a good hobby in my opinion:
- delayed gratification over instant satisfaction (which rules out most video games) - open ended, never run out of things to learn - accessible, there should be books or other media that help me ease into it - you can work on it alone, but also share with people (- maybe at some point make a little money with it to get back your investment)
What I considered:
- learn another language - get a motorbike license and get into cross biking (extremely expensive) - cooking (I've already booked a course at the community college, but that's starting in October) - chess (that's my fallback one) - tennis (though that's probably out of my league, money wise) - woodworking (living on 20m2 and not owning any tools might be the biggest problem)
What else could I 'tinker' with, if not woodworking?
On July 16 2014 20:49 SixStrings wrote: - get into anime or other borderline pedo shit (manga or whatever else it's called)
Your opinion on this subject is... well I don't even know what to say. Manga/Anime is a medium just like books, photography and movies. There's perverted stuff to be found in each of them. There's good stuff to be found in each of them. You might not be looking in the right places.
A colleague of mine does some model building, he designs and sells his own models, and goes to competitions. I have no experience on the matter, but it seems like that would fit all your requirements.
On July 16 2014 20:49 SixStrings wrote: - get into anime or other borderline pedo shit (manga or whatever else it's called)
Your opinion on this subject is... well I don't even know what to say. Manga/Anime is a medium just like books, photography and movies. There's perverted stuff to be found in each of them. There's good stuff to be found in each of them. You might not be looking in the right places.
A colleague of mine does some model building, he designs and sells his own models, and goes to competitions. I have no experience on the matter, but it seems like that would fit all your requirements.
I'd suggest taking the time to expand on your narrow view of things, SixStrings
So you want some advice from a video game community about non gaming activity ? I think you will not get many answers.
Take your guitar, plays "Arpeggios from hell" backwards.
Also
- delayed gratification over instant satisfaction (which rules out most video games) - open ended, never run out of things to learn - accessible, there should be books or other media that help me ease into it - you can work on it alone, but also share with people (- maybe at some point make a little money with it to get back your investment)
You just described music.
You can look at FuddX work too. He does balloon stuff. That's quite impressive what he does. You can go full modern art. Just pick so garbage, pile them up, throw stuff at it. Give it a name. Sell with sixteen zeros.
On July 16 2014 20:49 SixStrings wrote: - get into anime or other borderline pedo shit (manga or whatever else it's called)
A colleague of mine does some model building, he designs and sells his own models, and goes to competitions. I have no experience on the matter, but it seems like that would fit all your requirements.
On July 16 2014 21:25 FFW_Rude wrote: So you want some advice from a video game community about non gaming activity ? I think you will not get many answers.
Take your guitar, plays Arpeggios from hell backwards.
- delayed gratification over instant satisfaction (which rules out most video games) - open ended, never run out of things to learn - accessible, there should be books or other media that help me ease into it - you can work on it alone, but also share with people (- maybe at some point make a little money with it to get back your investment)
You just described music.
Good point, but I already play music like a madman.
Like, I practice the acoustic guitar a couple of hours a day, I practice the piano an hour a day, most of my idle time I spend listening to music and I'm just getting deeper into metal rhythm guitar. But as with all things, do something a whole lot of time and you get burned out.
On July 16 2014 20:49 SixStrings wrote: - get into anime or other borderline pedo shit (manga or whatever else it's called)
A colleague of mine does some model building, he designs and sells his own models, and goes to competitions. I have no experience on the matter, but it seems like that would fit all your requirements.
That sounds amazingly cool, but super expensive.
Apparently he is making money, though that is with the revenue from a small online shop included where he imports model building stuff and sells it to other people. I suggest that you just look around and find out just how much it really costs.
On July 16 2014 21:25 FFW_Rude wrote: So you want some advice from a video game community about non gaming activity ? I think you will not get many answers.
Take your guitar, plays Arpeggios from hell backwards.
Also
- delayed gratification over instant satisfaction (which rules out most video games) - open ended, never run out of things to learn - accessible, there should be books or other media that help me ease into it - you can work on it alone, but also share with people (- maybe at some point make a little money with it to get back your investment)
You just described music.
Good point, but I already play music like a madman.
Like, I practice the acoustic guitar a couple of hours a day, I practice the piano an hour a day, most of my idle time I spend listening to music and I'm just getting deeper into metal rhythm guitar. But as with all things, do something a whole lot of time and you get burned out.
Accoustic guitar ? Play that. You will not get instant satisfaction. Trust me.
You never get burned out of a passion. You get burned out from a hobby. So what you need. Is a passion. not another hobby
Also. You should edit what you said about anime. And read Gunmm
I play acoustic fingerstyle guitar, so obviously I'm familiar with all the great players and that's what I derive my passion from. While I'm no Antoine Dufour or Andy McKee, I'm slowly getting there.
I love playing and even more than that I love progressing and expanding my horizon, so I get where you're coming from.
Yet I'm looking for something else to do as well. But I appreciate you trying to motivate me.
And I edited the anime comment.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that certain anime genres give pedos something to watch that doesn't hurt real children like pornography does, so I'm not having a go at the medium.
It's just not something I'm interested in. Besides, I want to do something more active than watching videos and reading comics and then talk about how 'kawai' some twelve year old with giant saucer eyes is on reddit.
On July 16 2014 21:35 SixStrings wrote: Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that certain anime genres give pedos something to watch that doesn't hurt real children like pornography does, so I'm not having a go at the medium.
but you ARE wrong and have a narrow, stupid frame of mind. Take my advice and use this time you have to expand it on all things. Starting with anime and japanese culture.
On July 16 2014 21:35 SixStrings wrote: Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that certain anime genres give pedos something to watch that doesn't hurt real children like pornography does, so I'm not having a go at the medium.
but you ARE wrong and have a narrow, stupid frame of mind. Take my advice and use this time you have to expand it on all things. Starting with anime and japanese culture.
Japanese culture?
I have said nothing against Japanese culture, nor would I ever presume having a go at that.
It's the weebos that I find repulsive and creepy.
Now let it go, I'm not interested in anime and I'm not planning on investing any time if there's a whole exciting world of interesting things out there to learn.
Musicians are just drunks and drug abusers. Classical musicians are just snobs who pretend that wine culture is somehow fancy and look down their noses at "lower-class" people. All bikers are like the hell's satans. All Americans are obese. All women are feminist nazis. All men are misogynists. I could go on, but I think thats enough.
Now If you want actual hobby suggestions, I would suggest Drawing. It fills all these requirements: - delayed gratification over instant satisfaction (which rules out most video games) - open ended, never run out of things to learn - accessible, there should be books or other media that help me ease into it - you can work on it alone, but also share with people
I would suggest giving it a try, as with music it takes a very long time to get decent at it. Hence the delayed gradification.
There are endless styles and creativity you can do with it, or you can try and copy other peoples. You never run out of things to learn and it is open ended.
Theres plenty of books and media on the subject not to mention instant feedback with artist communities.
You can work on it anywhere as long as you carry a pad&pen with you.
So yes it is quite similar to music in a way, both can be creative outlets and ways to express yourself. The only difference is you can practice drawing anywhere: a coffee shop, school, work, home, whilst watching something and pretty much anywhere else like the bus.
On July 16 2014 22:11 Nafa wrote: Musicians are just drunks and drug abusers. Classical musicians are just snobs who pretend that wine culture is somehow fancy and look down their noses at "lower-class" people. All bikers are like the hell's satans. All Americans are obese. All women are feminist nazis. All men are misogynists. I could go on, but I think thats enough.
Hahahahahahahaha, nope
I'd also like to point out in response to the second half of your post that drawing/art is very similar to playing/composing music so some of the same prejudices should apply right?
On July 16 2014 21:35 SixStrings wrote: I play acoustic fingerstyle guitar, so obviously I'm familiar with all the great players and that's what I derive my passion from. While I'm no Antoine Dufour or Andy McKee, I'm slowly getting there.
I love playing and even more than that I love progressing and expanding my horizon, so I get where you're coming from.
Yet I'm looking for something else to do as well. But I appreciate you trying to motivate me.
And I edited the anime comment.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate that certain anime genres give pedos something to watch that doesn't hurt real children like pornography does, so I'm not having a go at the medium.
It's just not something I'm interested in. Besides, I want to do something more active than watching videos and reading comics and then talk about how 'kawai' some twelve year old with giant saucer eyes is on reddit.
Do you want to be good at something ? Or average in everything. If you love something and want something more maybe you miss something somewhere. Do you work ? Do you have a girlfriend ? Because if you play 3Hours of music everyday you don't have a lot of time to do something else. Or maybe you have a job that don't take much time (part time job ?).
And again. Stop with the stupid comment on anime. There's no pedo thing going on there. The legal age of the sex is lower in certain country which i believe japan to be 13. Now it's cultural so if you don't agree with it ok (i don't) but don't talk like that.
You should watch some anime and you'll tell me in how much of them you saw things that are borderline
On July 16 2014 22:11 Nafa wrote: Musicians are just drunks and drug abusers. Classical musicians are just snobs who pretend that wine culture is somehow fancy and look down their noses at "lower-class" people. All bikers are like the hell's satans. All Americans are obese. All women are feminist nazis. All men are misogynists. I could go on, but I think thats enough.
Hahahahahahahaha, nope
I'd also like to point out in response to the second half of your post that drawing/art is very similar to playing/composing music so some of the same prejudices should apply right?
I dunno if I'm taking a troll bait here, but I'd like to explain that the whole paragraph was a counter to OPs view on anime.
On July 16 2014 22:04 SixStrings wrote: ....It's the weebos that I find repulsive and creepy.... // ...borderline pedoshit...
No, for real? How could one be so ignorant? This is pathetic. Do even realize that most of "normal' people consider gaming as borederilne whatever shit and see this entire community as geeks (weebos/pedos or whatever u (they) call them (us)). So you (and I presume you are playing starcraft) are by no means better than any average weebo in the eyes of the society. So in fact what we witnessed today is a self-flagellation act.
On July 16 2014 22:11 Nafa wrote: Musicians are just drunks and drug abusers. Classical musicians are just snobs who pretend that wine culture is somehow fancy and look down their noses at "lower-class" people. All bikers are like the hell's satans. All Americans are obese. All women are feminist nazis. All men are misogynists. I could go on, but I think thats enough.
Hahahahahahahaha, nope
I'd also like to point out in response to the second half of your post that drawing/art is very similar to playing/composing music so some of the same prejudices should apply right?
I dunno if I'm taking a troll bait here, but I'd like to explain that the whole paragraph was a counter to OPs view on anime.
Have you ever considered composing music with a DAW? That's the personal hobby I have, and I immediately thought of it since it fulfills all your requirements perfectly.
Although, I guess it's probably too close to playing music, but I thought I'd throw it out there.
Buy an old mechanical watch and proper tools. Take it apart, see what makes it tick. Then put it together again. That's what I would do (in fact, I might). That's proper tinkering for ya
Or do Aikido. Best sport ever. You will learn shit all the time. Don't get into one of those "real aikido" clubs though, they suck. Aikido is a fighting martial art, but to be honest you can't use it in a real fight unless you're 6th dan or above. However it has most of the things you're looking for :
- delayed gratification over instant satisfaction (which rules out most video games) : Check ! - open ended, never run out of things to learn : Check - accessible, there should be books or other media that help me ease into it : Check - you can work on it alone, but also share with people (although you can't practice most move without a partner, the sword-fighting and movements, you can really practice on your own) : Check
Also it's relatively cheap (at least where I live it is) and it looks awesome :
And if you look up videos, don't be too skeptical about how fake it looks. When an actual master, say Christian Tissier (guy in the picture) is facing you, you just go rolling on the floor and you don't how it happened. It's seriously awesome and very demanding.
On July 16 2014 21:25 FFW_Rude wrote: So you want some advice from a video game community about non gaming activity ? I think you will not get many answers.
Take your guitar, plays Arpeggios from hell backwards.
Also
- delayed gratification over instant satisfaction (which rules out most video games) - open ended, never run out of things to learn - accessible, there should be books or other media that help me ease into it - you can work on it alone, but also share with people (- maybe at some point make a little money with it to get back your investment)
You just described music.
Good point, but I already play music like a madman.
Like, I practice the acoustic guitar a couple of hours a day, I practice the piano an hour a day, most of my idle time I spend listening to music and I'm just getting deeper into metal rhythm guitar. But as with all things, do something a whole lot of time and you get burned out.
Accoustic guitar ? Play that. You will not get instant satisfaction. Trust me.
You never get burned out of a passion. You get burned out from a hobby. So what you need. Is a passion. not another hobby
And here I am.
Edit: and if you consider cooking, don't wait for a useless course, you need to eat daily, start cooking. It's easy, you'll eat good food and save cash.
On July 16 2014 22:11 Nafa wrote: Musicians are just drunks and drug abusers. Classical musicians are just snobs who pretend that wine culture is somehow fancy and look down their noses at "lower-class" people. All bikers are like the hell's satans. All Americans are obese. All women are feminist nazis. All men are misogynists. I could go on, but I think thats enough.
Hahahahahahahaha, nope
I'd also like to point out in response to the second half of your post that drawing/art is very similar to playing/composing music so some of the same prejudices should apply right?
I love how, as an american male, and presumably a musician, you personally took offense at the bolded statements but had no problem with him saying that all biker's are like hell's satans and all women are feminist nazis LOL
Even so that response was like having sarcasm rammed up your asshole and wondering why you feel constipated
- All learning tools are basically free and easily accessible via internet. - Skill curve is very wide, the room for improvement hardly ends, even at highest levels. - As you push yourself to play it, it gives you a huge concentration boost as well as mental resilliency to stress. - Randomness factor is almost non-existent; you can't lose because of coinflip chance, bad scouting, build-order loss etc. - Often times, it gives you aesthetically pleasant experiences, like when you execute awesome attack or find the right way to plow through some mind-boggling position, or even survive a seemingly desperate situation. - The live tournament experience is pretty awesome; you can try to read into people's thoughts through observation and sometimes bluff them a little if they're visibly tense or their clocks are running low on time. - If playing is not creative enough, there's also the whole branch of composing chess problems, where one can create abstractly complex positions out of thin air and try to give them most astonishing solutions.
If you have a garden (or a balcony or something similar at least), you can try to grow some plants/vegetables etc there. Maybe not a hobby that will consume too much time, but who says you can only have a single hobby?
If you haven't checked it out already, find out if Coursera offers classes in something you always found interesting. They've had good music improvisation classes previously that you might enjoy. Best of luck!!
If you just want to play tennis for fun and you have friends who regularly play on some free (or school or residential or gym) courts, it's really cheap. Just need a racket and some sneakers tbh, you don't need like 80$ rackets.
Coursera's pretty awesome too. They have cooking courses so while you're looking at a computer screen your hands aren't always on the keyboard.
I just wanted to say thanks for all the great replies.
The suggestions go from decent to amazing.
I'll give chess a go. A friend of mine lent me a book so I can learn the basics ('chess in forty hours'). FFW_Rude had a point about sucking it up and focussing more on my music.
I will build my own electric guitar to get started on the tinkering.
I always found woodwork fulfilling.Your biggest problem is the space and tools though.
I like playing pool / 8 ball. Not sure if you are into that, but also, it starts getting expensive if you do it a lot. What I love about it the most is the social aspect. People tend to breakdown those invisible walls around us and actually talk to each other when playing pool.
On July 16 2014 20:49 SixStrings wrote: - get into anime or other borderline pedo shit (manga or whatever else it's called)
A colleague of mine does some model building, he designs and sells his own models, and goes to competitions. I have no experience on the matter, but it seems like that would fit all your requirements.
That sounds amazingly cool, but super expensive.
Apparently he is making money, though that is with the revenue from a small online shop included where he imports model building stuff and sells it to other people. I suggest that you just look around and find out just how much it really costs.
A lot. But the dollar to time is worth it. I invested 1k in a fell swoop and its lasted me 2 years painting and putting together with the free time I do have.
On July 17 2014 21:34 ZedraC wrote: I always found woodwork fulfilling.Your biggest problem is the space and tools though.
I like playing pool / 8 ball. Not sure if you are into that, but also, it starts getting expensive if you do it a lot. What I love about it the most is the social aspect. People tend to breakdown those invisible walls around us and actually talk to each other when playing pool.
Quoted, also have a look into Snooker as well. However, in Germany Pool isn't that expensive, it's between 4-6€ per hour. If you find people to play with you regularly, it's payable and not more expensive than other related leisure activities.
On July 16 2014 20:49 SixStrings wrote: - get into anime or other borderline pedo shit (manga or whatever else it's called)
A colleague of mine does some model building, he designs and sells his own models, and goes to competitions. I have no experience on the matter, but it seems like that would fit all your requirements.
That sounds amazingly cool, but super expensive.
Apparently he is making money, though that is with the revenue from a small online shop included where he imports model building stuff and sells it to other people. I suggest that you just look around and find out just how much it really costs.
A lot. But the dollar to time is worth it. I invested 1k in a fell swoop and its lasted me 2 years painting and putting together with the free time I do have.
Really relaxing.
Care to show some work of yours? This caught my interest
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