What if no balance changes had ever been made? - Page 2

On January 25 2014 16:09 BigFan wrote:
hmm I think Blizzard should've taken the map approach first. Leave the races as is and make bigger maps to see how things work out. I remember the crying that was plaguing the forums over the roach having range 3 and how they were being kited by stalkers etc... I think bigger maps might've meant less patches and nerfs however in the end, I think Blizzard would've had to balance(nerf or better to buff other races) some units.

On January 25 2014 05:22 Kuni wrote:


Not really. Koreans still win everything and once in a while a few Europeans earn prize money. Barely any Americans though :-(

On January 25 2014 22:37 KTP_TV wrote:


Omg, in case your post was not a joke, he was talking about T/P/Z.
And FYI there's only once race, the human one. Making distinctions between so-called "races" is actually the definition of racism ^^

On January 25 2014 09:44 NinjaBLT wrote:
Could someone please make a custom map reverting all the balance changes? That would be interesting to play on. I'm noob at map editor so I can't T_T

On January 26 2014 02:04 didsomeonesaydaeTL0 wrote:
Does this include balance changes from the alpha? Because 1 supply, 2 armor, 10 regen, 3 free speed, free burrow move, 20 regen while burrowed roaches would be hilariously broken, even disregarding the 3 range

On January 26 2014 01:45 vthree wrote:
I dunno, didn't 5 rax reapers just destroy Zerg? Or was that after the roach changes?

I am not sure that making no changes would have been the best route. Would BW still be BW if it was vanilla Sc1? One could argue that if we could balance everything via meta and maps, SC1 would have been fine without the BW expansion.

On January 26 2014 03:59 Izerman wrote:


Iam already on it.. takes a while to read through all the 25pages of balance patches since 2010 :D

anybody wanna help?

On January 25 2014 07:44 Clbull wrote:
Let's look at this in-depth for a second. If no balance changes were ever made to the game since Wings, we'd probably see:

• Viable Mech/Biomech vs Protoss - Siege Tanks would have done 60 damage instead of 50 to Armored and 35 to everything else. This would have made them viable versus Chargelots, Stalkers and Archons.
  
• No Zerg dominance. The metagame would have likely developed around Blue Flame Hellions in TvZ and Zergs would have wised up to stopping effective Hellion drop harassment eventually instead of a blanket nerf occurring after SlayerS players dominate MLG Columbus 2011.
  
• Zerg having very strong midgame timings through 1 supply Roaches. The "imba shit" like 60 damage Siege Tanks, Khaydarin Amulet, Immortals warped in from Warp Gates, Void Rays with 3 levels of attack and speed, Banshees with splash, etc. would have balanced this out.
  
• A varied map pool. Blizzard maps wouldn't have been popular but community-made maps would have and the map pool would have been greatly varied.
  
• Lower degree of deathballing. With much more powerful Siege Tanks, Khaydarin Amulet, constant threat of blue flame hellion runbys, constant threat of bunker aggression, etc. Positional play would have been amazing to watch unfold and would have become a necessity to defend from certain "imba shit" like pre-nerf blue flame hellion drops or Blink harassment.
  
• The scene would have likely still declined since 2012 assuming we reach a period of racial dominance at that point but since it took just one nonsensical patch (raising Queen range from 3 to 5) to do that, I have a feeling the metagame would have developed beautifully and winrates would have been highly balanced until at least 2014 - 2015. There's still the issue that KeSPA were blocked from entering the SC2 scene by Blizzard.