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Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 22:16:06
January 16 2014 00:45 GMT
#1
- Old, stupid post -

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vhapter
Profile Joined May 2010
Brazil677 Posts
January 16 2014 02:03 GMT
#2
I can't possibly get my head around zerg whining about protoss. Zergs are always ahead economically. The way larva and zerg tech work is ridiculously strong against protoss - you can tech switch in the blink of an eye, all you need is larva, a single tech structure, and economy.

As long as you inject properly, you should have enough larva to make a ton of units. The fact that you need a single ultralisk cavern/spire/whatever to make tons of units that require fairly different counters also heavily favors zerg. Once you choose a tech route as protoss, you're stuck for a long time. If you scout a spire, the safest reaction is to start making phoenix immediately off of 2-3 stargates and get phoenix range just in case - which is way expensive when you're already economically behind and it has to be done "blindly" *after scouting*.

Zerg usually has an easy time scouting protoss. Most all ins fail really hard if the zerg knows what he's doing and scouts properly. The most effective ones are typically new and suck once figured out. I've always thought protoss all ins are fairly unreliable in PvZ because you rely on the zerg's inability to counter it and macro builds are always behind in economy (besides the larva/tech issue I mentioned above). The fact that zerg can be either droning or producing units makes it very unpredictable, and therefore much harder to outline a safe/optimal build order because the zerg could have more units at any moment - think of Life taking down thirds and coming up with some of the weirdest timings. When it gets to the late game, zerg starts trading drones and larva for static defense all over the place, so it's hard to dump minerals efficiently.

Well, if these things don't help you in ZvP, I don't know what else to say. I think ZvP consists of the zerg not dying in the early game and shamelessly abusing the advantages of zerg tech, superior economy, and larva.
To live is to fight, to fight is to live!
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 16 2014 02:15 GMT
#3
This sounds pretty close to what I go through in StarCraft: BroodWar.

It's not a "first-world problem" though; those are just jokes about having too much of a good thing to the point where it makes the person "suffer". But this is a gaming website. People go through the same stuff as yourself, so I can't imagine just typing "L2P, get good noob" or something idiotic of that sort.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 16 2014 05:05 GMT
#4
I think you should take a break from SCII. You've obviously putting in the effort and that's commendable in itself but from what you wrote, I think it'll do you some good to step away from the game for a couple of days and just focus on other stuff. You can still watch if you want but I think if you step away, you'll feel better in the end and it'll help your mindset so that when you get back to playing, you don't feel as frustrated.

As for protoss being easier, I can't really tell you. I used to play terran and colossi were always the unit I hated to go up against. I would rather get stormed to death then get lasered to death lol. Having said that, I don't think there's an easy race. I thought protoss was easier than terran and with MSc, early game pressure is easier to defend against but late game is still hard for either race. Same goes for Zerg as well.

As a side note, I think you should give BW a try. You're probably asking why I would recommend it after telling you to take a break. Simple really. In SCII, you've been playing it for a while so at this point, you have high expectations for yourself and after 4000+ games, the matchups in general are probably played the same way (similar builds vs P/T/Z or so). In BW, you would be considered a newbie regardless of your SCII level so you have no expectations except to just learn to play the game and have fun while you take a break from SCII. Once the couple of days are up, you can stop BW and go back to SCII. This of course assumes you haven't tried BW otherwise forget it lol.
This may help you consider it:


Best of luck in whatever you decide to do
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-16 05:42:34
January 16 2014 05:40 GMT
#5
I was diamond Zerg in WoL. Then I stopped playing and went to mostly just watching tourneys. A couple weeks ago I decided to do my placement matches because of a sudden renewal of interest in playing the game. I was excited to start playing again. I won all 4 except for the one that was against a Protoss player. And after winning 4/5 placement matches and losing to a protoss all-in, I got put in bronze league. It ain't fair. I mean wtf is the point of placement matches if winning 4/5 of them puts you in bronze? I don't have the patience to grind games against a buncha bronzies before I can start playing fun games against people of my level. So I quit playing Sc2 again. I have bad wrists so I don't want to waste my wrist health against bronze players.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 16 2014 06:56 GMT
#6
On January 16 2014 14:40 MichaelDonovan wrote:
I was diamond Zerg in WoL. Then I stopped playing and went to mostly just watching tourneys. A couple weeks ago I decided to do my placement matches because of a sudden renewal of interest in playing the game. I was excited to start playing again. I won all 4 except for the one that was against a Protoss player. And after winning 4/5 placement matches and losing to a protoss all-in, I got put in bronze league. It ain't fair. I mean wtf is the point of placement matches if winning 4/5 of them puts you in bronze? I don't have the patience to grind games against a buncha bronzies before I can start playing fun games against people of my level. So I quit playing Sc2 again. I have bad wrists so I don't want to waste my wrist health against bronze players.

MMR degradation. I was gold or w/e it was in HoTS than taking a break for like 5-6 seasons and I'm in bronze lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
bartus88
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Netherlands491 Posts
January 16 2014 15:36 GMT
#7
It seems like you are kinda stuck with your current situation in the game, you're focusing completely on your personal performance. Which is not a bad thing necessarily, but maybe you need to learn to have fun with the game. I think learning the other races could do that for you. Every race and every match-up has its annoyances obviously, but above all, they all have unique things that make them amazing. People who only play one race, really restrict themselves in the amount of fun they can have, at least in my opinion. And on top of that, it will reduce bias towards or against a certain race because you'll learn that the grass is not actually greener on the other side.

I've played random for the past 3 years and I will not get bored with SC2 for a long time because of it. All three races have so much to offer. Go learn Terran and Protoss; find out how much fun they can be and learn how annoying Zerg can be sometimes. :p

But if you're going to that, you obviously need to accept the fact that you will be a lot worse than you are with Zerg. When you lose, don't think "I could've easily beaten him with my Zerg", instead embrace the fact that you suck, it will make playing a lot more enjoyable.
Random master race
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
January 16 2014 17:02 GMT
#8
On January 16 2014 14:05 BigFan wrote:
I think you should take a break from SCII. You've obviously putting in the effort and that's commendable in itself but from what you wrote, I think it'll do you some good to step away from the game for a couple of days and just focus on other stuff. You can still watch if you want but I think if you step away, you'll feel better in the end and it'll help your mindset so that when you get back to playing, you don't feel as frustrated.

As for protoss being easier, I can't really tell you. I used to play terran and colossi were always the unit I hated to go up against. I would rather get stormed to death then get lasered to death lol. Having said that, I don't think there's an easy race. I thought protoss was easier than terran and with MSc, early game pressure is easier to defend against but late game is still hard for either race. Same goes for Zerg as well.

As a side note, I think you should give BW a try. You're probably asking why I would recommend it after telling you to take a break. Simple really. In SCII, you've been playing it for a while so at this point, you have high expectations for yourself and after 4000+ games, the matchups in general are probably played the same way (similar builds vs P/T/Z or so). In BW, you would be considered a newbie regardless of your SCII level so you have no expectations except to just learn to play the game and have fun while you take a break from SCII. Once the couple of days are up, you can stop BW and go back to SCII. This of course assumes you haven't tried BW otherwise forget it lol.
This may help you consider it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEOVM9wFRTA&list=PLjAbWeY6T905-6Zb81BcJyy01Iw-p3yVb

Best of luck in whatever you decide to do


Thanks for the advice, will certainly follow it, atleast from the weekend on. I've played a bit of BW with a couple of friends - just like 10 games though, don't know much so that might help. I've taken breaks of a couple of days before and they help me for a couple of days. Hopefully this should cure me for a good while/forever!

On a sidenote. Does anyone have any idea how to set a ''improving plan'' for yourself? Make notepads about each matchup, specific stuff you've got to improve on? because up till now, I've just grinded ladder and I guess I hit a brick wall at some point.
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
macaronij
Profile Joined December 2010
Argentina67 Posts
January 16 2014 17:43 GMT
#9
Some ideas:
Play non ladder games or 2v2 for some time
Watch day9/gsl/watch the stream of a player you like, try to see how he beat toss
watch all the ZvP replays in blade guide blade guide
Try playing protoss? (or even random) Why not? maybe you can see what are they problems.
Try cheesing for fun in ZvP whyle you play macro games in the other match ups
Post a youtube video of you singing a song about protoss = 1 + a (i hope you choose this option )
Deleted User 123474
Profile Joined November 2010
292 Posts
January 16 2014 19:20 GMT
#10
IMO the biggest things that helped me get from Platinum (when Diamond was the best) to Diamond and then Masters' League:
1. Replay Watching. I learned to quickly identify my macro mistakes, micro mistakes, and opportunities to tweak my opening/game plan.
2. Getting Good at One Build. I was Terran so it was 3 Rax for me. But for you, as a Zerg, I'd suggest 1-basing for awhile (really) to develop your macro and micro more critically. Frankly, I think if you aren't in Masters' League right now you're most likely running very high in queen energy, low in creep spread, and generally not microing too well. It was the case for me until I improved those aspects!
3. Taking Professional "Advice". I don't think watching pro SC2 gives you much in terms of skill unless you really apply what you've learned immediately. So watch Jaedong for a bit and take his build for the first 10 minutes and try to replicate it. You really learn huge efficiencies here. ^.^

As far as the attitude, I guess I never beat myself up about losses or excused myself from any blame for them. If I got too adrenaline-filled I just would load up a 2v2 every once in awhile to wind down a little. And don't be too concerned about your ladder, just look at it as a fun way to track your progress and tweak your strategies! It's really satisfying to say to yourself, "This game, I'm going to concentrate on avoiding supply blocks." and then do it. GL.
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-16 20:36:27
January 16 2014 20:35 GMT
#11
On January 17 2014 04:20 Komentaja wrote:
IMO the biggest things that helped me get from Platinum (when Diamond was the best) to Diamond and then Masters' League:
1. Replay Watching. I learned to quickly identify my macro mistakes, micro mistakes, and opportunities to tweak my opening/game plan.
2. Getting Good at One Build. I was Terran so it was 3 Rax for me. But for you, as a Zerg, I'd suggest 1-basing for awhile (really) to develop your macro and micro more critically. Frankly, I think if you aren't in Masters' League right now you're most likely running very high in queen energy, low in creep spread, and generally not microing too well. It was the case for me until I improved those aspects!
3. Taking Professional "Advice". I don't think watching pro SC2 gives you much in terms of skill unless you really apply what you've learned immediately. So watch Jaedong for a bit and take his build for the first 10 minutes and try to replicate it. You really learn huge efficiencies here. ^.^

As far as the attitude, I guess I never beat myself up about losses or excused myself from any blame for them. If I got too adrenaline-filled I just would load up a 2v2 every once in awhile to wind down a little. And don't be too concerned about your ladder, just look at it as a fun way to track your progress and tweak your strategies! It's really satisfying to say to yourself, "This game, I'm going to concentrate on avoiding supply blocks." and then do it. GL.



Hehe, thanks. About your 2nd point, I've ''mastered'' (literally and illiterally ) My macro skills in general for now. My two weak spots are multitasking and control. I've been stuck with that for a while now and it's really bugging me. It's really hard to focus on multitasking though if as a result your macro sucks for a while - therefore your multitasking also sucking a bit more than it should. As for the other two tips, I'll take notes and start using them from tomorrow on and see how my results are
The first point especially might be troubling though because especially on tilt I don't force myself to way replays enough, and out of tilt I lost the feeling of the game, so..
|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Dan26
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-17 12:49:06
January 17 2014 12:39 GMT
#12
On January 17 2014 04:20 Komentaja wrote:
IMO the biggest things that helped me get from Platinum (when Diamond was the best) to Diamond and then Masters' League:
1. Replay Watching. I learned to quickly identify my macro mistakes, micro mistakes, and opportunities to tweak my opening/game plan.
2. Getting Good at One Build. I was Terran so it was 3 Rax for me. But for you, as a Zerg, I'd suggest 1-basing for awhile (really) to develop your macro and micro more critically. Frankly, I think if you aren't in Masters' League right now you're most likely running very high in queen energy, low in creep spread, and generally not microing too well. It was the case for me until I improved those aspects!
3. Taking Professional "Advice". I don't think watching pro SC2 gives you much in terms of skill unless you really apply what you've learned immediately. So watch Jaedong for a bit and take his build for the first 10 minutes and try to replicate it. You really learn huge efficiencies here. ^.^

As far as the attitude, I guess I never beat myself up about losses or excused myself from any blame for them. If I got too adrenaline-filled I just would load up a 2v2 every once in awhile to wind down a little. And don't be too concerned about your ladder, just look at it as a fun way to track your progress and tweak your strategies! It's really satisfying to say to yourself, "This game, I'm going to concentrate on avoiding supply blocks." and then do it. GL.


I agree with this wholeheartedly. When the going gets though, get back to your fundamentals. Best way is to play on another realm or new account in the lower leagues, and execute your build orders against worse players in order for you to regain the feel of the build without getting harassed to death by masters level players.

I really love posts like this because I had similar issues not long ago, so to help you, I will tell you what it is I currently do to avoid these pitfalls.

(a) Currently I play in very small sessions infrequently. Most times I'll be like: "Ok just one game thats all you have to do and that's it." Kind of like dipping your foot in the pool before swimming to test the temperature. Sometimes I'm in the zone and I'll pound out 20 games no problem without getting tilted, irritated, or in any negative mood. Other times I'll play that one game and realize "My focus and energy is just not here, I'll come back later." Don't force it.

(b) This is a game of mathematical precision. I'm rehashing what the other guy said, but watch those replays, watch the pros, optimize your build, and play that one build for that one matchup every time. If you keep switching your build even between just two builds, you become as the saying goes "Jack of all trades, but master of none." Ensure your build meets the diamond league "Have more shit then your opponent" ethos.

(c) Keep drinking water. This has an impact on your play like you would not believe. Under mental pressure, your body burns a lot of fuel, not dis-similar to physical exercise.I found this out recently where I didn't "feel" thirsty, but I could definitely feel something was off. So I drank as much water as I needed and the difference was astounding. Everything was clearer, focused and I had my emotions under complete control. It's much easier to lose your cool, when your not properly hydrated.

(d) Play without music, or SC2 music, with just game sounds. Makes it much more easy to focus on what you're doing.
Always good to start out dead silent with just game sounds to focus in and warm up. That way you can think clearly without getting all hyped up for a win from music. After a bit when you're feeling positive music helps heaps. Music will enhance your play but don't rely on it, is all I'm trying to say. It can get in the way sometimes.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: lol also one more thing that really gets me in the right mindset is the inspirational speech from Rocky Balboa.


So when I lose a ladder game, I'm strongly reminded that it's entirely my fault, and no-one elses. And because of this, I literally have no reason to get mad. Get inspired!





Eat like a King, Train like a Champion, Sleep like a Baby
Thalandros
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Netherlands1151 Posts
January 17 2014 13:41 GMT
#13
On January 17 2014 21:39 Dan26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 04:20 Komentaja wrote:
IMO the biggest things that helped me get from Platinum (when Diamond was the best) to Diamond and then Masters' League:
1. Replay Watching. I learned to quickly identify my macro mistakes, micro mistakes, and opportunities to tweak my opening/game plan.
2. Getting Good at One Build. I was Terran so it was 3 Rax for me. But for you, as a Zerg, I'd suggest 1-basing for awhile (really) to develop your macro and micro more critically. Frankly, I think if you aren't in Masters' League right now you're most likely running very high in queen energy, low in creep spread, and generally not microing too well. It was the case for me until I improved those aspects!
3. Taking Professional "Advice". I don't think watching pro SC2 gives you much in terms of skill unless you really apply what you've learned immediately. So watch Jaedong for a bit and take his build for the first 10 minutes and try to replicate it. You really learn huge efficiencies here. ^.^

As far as the attitude, I guess I never beat myself up about losses or excused myself from any blame for them. If I got too adrenaline-filled I just would load up a 2v2 every once in awhile to wind down a little. And don't be too concerned about your ladder, just look at it as a fun way to track your progress and tweak your strategies! It's really satisfying to say to yourself, "This game, I'm going to concentrate on avoiding supply blocks." and then do it. GL.


I agree with this wholeheartedly. When the going gets though, get back to your fundamentals. Best way is to play on another realm or new account in the lower leagues, and execute your build orders against worse players in order for you to regain the feel of the build without getting harassed to death by masters level players.

I really love posts like this because I had similar issues not long ago, so to help you, I will tell you what it is I currently do to avoid these pitfalls.

(a) Currently I play in very small sessions infrequently. Most times I'll be like: "Ok just one game thats all you have to do and that's it." Kind of like dipping your foot in the pool before swimming to test the temperature. Sometimes I'm in the zone and I'll pound out 20 games no problem without getting tilted, irritated, or in any negative mood. Other times I'll play that one game and realize "My focus and energy is just not here, I'll come back later." Don't force it.

(b) This is a game of mathematical precision. I'm rehashing what the other guy said, but watch those replays, watch the pros, optimize your build, and play that one build for that one matchup every time. If you keep switching your build even between just two builds, you become as the saying goes "Jack of all trades, but master of none." Ensure your build meets the diamond league "Have more shit then your opponent" ethos.

(c) Keep drinking water. This has an impact on your play like you would not believe. Under mental pressure, your body burns a lot of fuel, not dis-similar to physical exercise.I found this out recently where I didn't "feel" thirsty, but I could definitely feel something was off. So I drank as much water as I needed and the difference was astounding. Everything was clearer, focused and I had my emotions under complete control. It's much easier to lose your cool, when your not properly hydrated.

(d) Play without music, or SC2 music, with just game sounds. Makes it much more easy to focus on what you're doing.
Always good to start out dead silent with just game sounds to focus in and warm up. That way you can think clearly without getting all hyped up for a win from music. After a bit when you're feeling positive music helps heaps. Music will enhance your play but don't rely on it, is all I'm trying to say. It can get in the way sometimes.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: lol also one more thing that really gets me in the right mindset is the inspirational speech from Rocky Balboa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Vg4uyYwEk

So when I lose a ladder game, I'm strongly reminded that it's entirely my fault, and no-one elses. And because of this, I literally have no reason to get mad. Get inspired!







Thanks a lot, I'm going to write these all down. The hydration thing might be a factor emotion wise, too. I always have a bottle of water next to my mouse and keyboard, but barely drink from it. Should do that much more often. The get in the mood thing, then start using music: Gonna try that out tonight.
About your very first point though, I seem to do much better in sessions of 2-3 games instead of preparing adn then doing a night full of games (10-15), but I feel it would be so much better to have a sold practice time, not one where I play one or two games then am out of the zone again. But again, I do much better in smaller sessions, so..


Anyway, thanks and thanks for the motivational post. I have a couple of others I actually wanna link, maybe for others or people who are just interested:



|| ''I think we have all experienced passion that is not in any sense reasonable.'' ||
Dan26
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia239 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-17 14:44:33
January 17 2014 14:42 GMT
#14
On January 17 2014 22:41 Thalandros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2014 21:39 Dan26 wrote:
On January 17 2014 04:20 Komentaja wrote:
IMO the biggest things that helped me get from Platinum (when Diamond was the best) to Diamond and then Masters' League:
1. Replay Watching. I learned to quickly identify my macro mistakes, micro mistakes, and opportunities to tweak my opening/game plan.
2. Getting Good at One Build. I was Terran so it was 3 Rax for me. But for you, as a Zerg, I'd suggest 1-basing for awhile (really) to develop your macro and micro more critically. Frankly, I think if you aren't in Masters' League right now you're most likely running very high in queen energy, low in creep spread, and generally not microing too well. It was the case for me until I improved those aspects!
3. Taking Professional "Advice". I don't think watching pro SC2 gives you much in terms of skill unless you really apply what you've learned immediately. So watch Jaedong for a bit and take his build for the first 10 minutes and try to replicate it. You really learn huge efficiencies here. ^.^

As far as the attitude, I guess I never beat myself up about losses or excused myself from any blame for them. If I got too adrenaline-filled I just would load up a 2v2 every once in awhile to wind down a little. And don't be too concerned about your ladder, just look at it as a fun way to track your progress and tweak your strategies! It's really satisfying to say to yourself, "This game, I'm going to concentrate on avoiding supply blocks." and then do it. GL.


I agree with this wholeheartedly. When the going gets though, get back to your fundamentals. Best way is to play on another realm or new account in the lower leagues, and execute your build orders against worse players in order for you to regain the feel of the build without getting harassed to death by masters level players.

I really love posts like this because I had similar issues not long ago, so to help you, I will tell you what it is I currently do to avoid these pitfalls.

(a) Currently I play in very small sessions infrequently. Most times I'll be like: "Ok just one game thats all you have to do and that's it." Kind of like dipping your foot in the pool before swimming to test the temperature. Sometimes I'm in the zone and I'll pound out 20 games no problem without getting tilted, irritated, or in any negative mood. Other times I'll play that one game and realize "My focus and energy is just not here, I'll come back later." Don't force it.

(b) This is a game of mathematical precision. I'm rehashing what the other guy said, but watch those replays, watch the pros, optimize your build, and play that one build for that one matchup every time. If you keep switching your build even between just two builds, you become as the saying goes "Jack of all trades, but master of none." Ensure your build meets the diamond league "Have more shit then your opponent" ethos.

(c) Keep drinking water. This has an impact on your play like you would not believe. Under mental pressure, your body burns a lot of fuel, not dis-similar to physical exercise.I found this out recently where I didn't "feel" thirsty, but I could definitely feel something was off. So I drank as much water as I needed and the difference was astounding. Everything was clearer, focused and I had my emotions under complete control. It's much easier to lose your cool, when your not properly hydrated.

(d) Play without music, or SC2 music, with just game sounds. Makes it much more easy to focus on what you're doing.
Always good to start out dead silent with just game sounds to focus in and warm up. That way you can think clearly without getting all hyped up for a win from music. After a bit when you're feeling positive music helps heaps. Music will enhance your play but don't rely on it, is all I'm trying to say. It can get in the way sometimes.

Hope this helps.

EDIT: lol also one more thing that really gets me in the right mindset is the inspirational speech from Rocky Balboa.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_Vg4uyYwEk

So when I lose a ladder game, I'm strongly reminded that it's entirely my fault, and no-one elses. And because of this, I literally have no reason to get mad. Get inspired!







Thanks a lot, I'm going to write these all down. The hydration thing might be a factor emotion wise, too. I always have a bottle of water next to my mouse and keyboard, but barely drink from it. Should do that much more often. The get in the mood thing, then start using music: Gonna try that out tonight.
About your very first point though, I seem to do much better in sessions of 2-3 games instead of preparing adn then doing a night full of games (10-15), but I feel it would be so much better to have a sold practice time, not one where I play one or two games then am out of the zone again. But again, I do much better in smaller sessions, so..


Anyway, thanks and thanks for the motivational post. I have a couple of others I actually wanna link, maybe for others or people who are just interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYQo_RZJIco
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCqwwTfXr1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1W71fI1wCM


Yea to be totally honest, sometimes you have grind your way through some games no matter what. Suck it up and ladder hard! Experiencing rage and frustration is something everyone has endured... It's like what Rocky says, "Go out and get what your worth, but you gotta be willing to take the hits, that's how winning is done!" But when you start to really lose your ability to play well consistently, my approach works quite well. Eventually you'll find your 'Chi' again and get into masters or whatever high level play you have had before. Taking extended breaks is probably something you can also consider.

I think the key thing here is sometimes when your not in the best of moods, there is this hard-wired thing within you that needs to do something to feel better. If you decide to ladder at this point, what you are actually truly looking for are some wins to make you feel better. So being win focused on a sub conscious level is dangerous for obvious reasons. When you start to lose, you keep laddering so you can get that win. When you start losing, your mind is so focused around the problems that they expand and become bigger than they really are.. It's a strange thing how the mind works but I think Einstein pretty much summed it up: "A problem cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created it." Hence taking breaks and increasing the quality and reducing the quantity of your games is a good strategy.

This is such an ingrained habit, and something that is not a conscious decision, so my approach is to be cautious when laddering and to be mindful of your true motivations of playing.

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BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 17 2014 16:59 GMT
#15
On January 17 2014 02:02 Thalandros wrote:
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On January 16 2014 14:05 BigFan wrote:
I think you should take a break from SCII. You've obviously putting in the effort and that's commendable in itself but from what you wrote, I think it'll do you some good to step away from the game for a couple of days and just focus on other stuff. You can still watch if you want but I think if you step away, you'll feel better in the end and it'll help your mindset so that when you get back to playing, you don't feel as frustrated.

As for protoss being easier, I can't really tell you. I used to play terran and colossi were always the unit I hated to go up against. I would rather get stormed to death then get lasered to death lol. Having said that, I don't think there's an easy race. I thought protoss was easier than terran and with MSc, early game pressure is easier to defend against but late game is still hard for either race. Same goes for Zerg as well.

As a side note, I think you should give BW a try. You're probably asking why I would recommend it after telling you to take a break. Simple really. In SCII, you've been playing it for a while so at this point, you have high expectations for yourself and after 4000+ games, the matchups in general are probably played the same way (similar builds vs P/T/Z or so). In BW, you would be considered a newbie regardless of your SCII level so you have no expectations except to just learn to play the game and have fun while you take a break from SCII. Once the couple of days are up, you can stop BW and go back to SCII. This of course assumes you haven't tried BW otherwise forget it lol.
This may help you consider it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEOVM9wFRTA&list=PLjAbWeY6T905-6Zb81BcJyy01Iw-p3yVb

Best of luck in whatever you decide to do


Thanks for the advice, will certainly follow it, atleast from the weekend on. I've played a bit of BW with a couple of friends - just like 10 games though, don't know much so that might help. I've taken breaks of a couple of days before and they help me for a couple of days. Hopefully this should cure me for a good while/forever!

On a sidenote. Does anyone have any idea how to set a ''improving plan'' for yourself? Make notepads about each matchup, specific stuff you've got to improve on? because up till now, I've just grinded ladder and I guess I hit a brick wall at some point.

ya, of course, do whatever helps you out. A break is probably the best thing you can do aside from quitting the game cold turkey lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
lovelyrose
Profile Joined July 2003
Canada160 Posts
January 18 2014 15:10 GMT
#16
as a random player, I get "toss is OP"(I guess people don't need to clarify why?), "all zerg has to do is make drones", or "all terrans need to do is make marines". point is, everyone bitches. the second you put your loss on someone else, is the second you stop yourself from learning from your loss. the loss is always on you, and I guarantee you could have played better for each game you lost.

maybe zerg players need to play better to win, or maybe terran players need to play better to get a win, or maybe protoss does. it doesn't really matter, if you don't like how your race is, you can switch.

of course I'm not blaming you, or trying to be mean, everyone gets frustrated at times. you just need to change your mentality, and also make sure you're having fun with the game, even if you're losing to protoss.
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