EPTDiscrimination is ridiculous. - Page 2
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Nyovne
Netherlands19135 Posts
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
So, while it is admirable that you try not to discriminate on an individual level, the discrimination that you try to justify can be counter-productive to what you want, which is presumably that these groups you state stop being a negative influence on society. (sorry that this post is pretty rambly and difficult to understand x.x) | ||
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ninazerg
United States7291 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On January 07 2014 19:55 Omnishroud wrote: Your view practically mirrors my own. You simply state that you dislike X Y Z as a group but when put in front of an individual from that group, you reserve judgement until they show the qualities/beliefs/whathaveyou that you do in fact discriminate against. (or don't) The problem is most people can't actually do this, even if they claim they can. Ultimately they are more likely to avoid members of those groups even before they get to know them. Maybe you and Nyvone are exceptions. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
That is not to say that discrimination is good or excusable, but rather understandable. There is a kind of lazy logic with discrimination: if 99% (a conveniently high and unrealistic percentage, ofc) of a population has an undesirable characteristic or value to you, you probably aren't going to give them all the benefit of the doubt just in case you run into that 1% that you agree with. I will be honest and say that I tend to discriminate against certain groups (though it is more along the lines of caution -> see how the person is as an individual, then react based on that) in my mind. We all discriminate, though, whether we admit it or not, because our experiences with people with identifiable characteristics molds our understanding of other people with those characteristics because we find patterns in EVERYTHING. We learn through experiences, and quite honestly you would probably be considered disabled if you had a hard time doing that in general, but there is a fine line between "this person is a gypsy, better be on guard" and "this person is a gypsy, I 100% believe he/she is scamming me." I will say, though, that is does make sense to discriminate based on ideological grounds, since people can choose that for themselves. By discrimination I assume we mean mostly association/assumptions and not persecution, by the way. If someone tells me that they are a fundamentalist (or whatever euphemism for it) Christian I will assume that the person has a specific set of beliefs such as young-Earth creationism, anti-LGBT, pro-life, and very high chance of being politically conservative. Likewise, I assume that a self-professed communist will not be religious, and I assume that vegans who consider themselves feminists are probably politically liberal. | ||
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Omnishroud
1073 Posts
On January 08 2014 02:56 hypercube wrote: The problem is most people can't actually do this, even if they claim they can. Ultimately they are more likely to avoid members of those groups even before they get to know them. Maybe you and Nyvone are exceptions. You're right and your post made me realize its pretty hypocritical of me to say. However as many have said discrimination and stereotyping is a very big part of how we work. I never look at somebody and think "Oh he's a black young male, he definitely wants to rob me, he's definitely a gangsta" but i do intentionally try to avoid them. I think there's a difference in that, although both are definitely discrimination. I don't think this is me judging them as individuals, or being downright discriminatory towards the individual though, i believe its more taking precautions against the expectations, not acting on the assumptions, wouldn't you agree? I know i do actively avoid my example groups but act indifferent once in converse / contact with them until i get a feel of their individual character. My OP was more referring to the instant discrimination of an individual based on an evident feature before interacting with somebody, i don't consider avoiding them doing that, although it depends what lengths you go to avoid them i suppose. All in all, its a huge gray area and i am definitely being hypocritical but my main gripe isn't with average discriminatory practice (such as what i do) but the extreme cases which can be best described as pure indiscriminate hatred of a group. Im sorry but there is no way you can rationally hate somebody just because they're a different skin color or fuck the same sex (etc etc). Im sure at the end of the day, everyone will agree this sort of extreme discrimination that comes from hatred needs to stop. TL;DR - I wanted to rant in my OP about nasty forms of discrimination, as a whole, its a huge gray area and i am a hypocrite. Regardless the extreme cases are really disgusting forms that are without basis or legitimate reason and need to stop. My goal was to discuss these extreme cases. | ||
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Mothra
United States1448 Posts
Of course belief founded on hatred is bad. Same with ignorance. So you can combat discrimination by being compassionate and gaining/reflecting upon experience. It's simple yet difficult. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On January 08 2014 03:38 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: Reading this thread and the responses made me realize there's a very large difference between disliking a certain demographic and blanket disliking all individuals from that demographic. Quite an enlightening experience, especially when I started exploring the various nuances and permutations of the issue. listen smarty pants, i don't just look at someone and go "oh he's a middle-eastern man, he has a mindset straight out of the dark ages" or look at someone else and go "oh there's a colombian, i wonder how many people he killed for breakfast". i mean clearly i would, but i just make sure to avoid them ya dum dum. | ||
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NeuroticPsychosis
United States322 Posts
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
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Potling
Norway298 Posts
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Kleinmuuhg
Vanuatu4091 Posts
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