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On October 10 2013 12:30 MarlieChurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 12:20 Blisse wrote:
Once you're past the 6 minute mile pace, you're really not doing cardio for the weight loss anymore and just doing it because running is enjoyable and has a lot of cardiovascular and other health benefits if you're not pushing your knees and ankles too hard or incorrectly, so really talking about 5.5 pace for weight loss is a bit silly XD. Lifting and diet is much better for weight loss when you're only running 12 minute miles.
^ I like swimming too but swimming is a lot more work than just running (treadmill) or lifting (dumbbells). Plus, some people are self-conscious about their body, and you're not really going to get great exercise (or lap times) when you're very much overweight. Swimming's great in general though if you're trying to stay fit (not the best for any long-term goals). I would really only advocate swimming for people if they have joint problems, weight issues or mobility problems that don't allow them to run or cycle. I'm of the opinion that if it's something you enjoy or look forward to, then it could be a better workout or you're not pushing yourself hard enough and you're taking the easy route.. You need to be doing something that you hate that your body hates for those gains yo! It's also a bit more satisfying and mentally gratifying when you are disciplining yourself. A lot of the times when I workout these days it's more for the mental health than the body health. It's like the best stress reliever, great for depression/bad moods, and overall feeling great after you accomplished your workout both mentally and physically. This is SCIENCE fact, yolo/carpe diem/it is a good day to die!
Different people work on fundamentally different levels of mental attitude and fortitude and work towards completely different long-term goals, so it's important to be aware of those. You're trying to to relieve tension, some other guy's trying to lose weight, some other guy's just trying to keep fit so his chiropractor happy and some other really fit guy has stopped and is working to simply keep his muscle from become flabby, some other guy's swimming because that's the only exercise he enjoys but he still wants to keep fit, and some other guy's trying to work out so he lives just a tiny bit longer.
I love encouraging push yourself to the limit all the time, but sometimes that's not appropriate, sometimes that's not safe, and sometimes that's not the best route.
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Sure. Everyone is different as far as goals and abilities, but I have agreed with Elliot Hulse's idealogy of 'trying to be the best version of yourself' which essentially is just saying work hard and keep at it no matter what it is you are doing. Strive for the best at whatever it is you are doing, but be efficient at it as well.
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Hong Kong9152 Posts
swimming fly for most people who have not done it as a sport is going to be very hard i think
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1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
Yes, yes I am.
I already exercise a lot, I guess I just need to devour more food.
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I burn a lot of calories by runnin' from tha po-lice.
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Damnit, why doesn't the table include powerwalks? I've found several sources stating that powerwalks are more effective than running (at least if you don't have the stamina to run long/fast enough of course), it would be sweet to see how it compares... say, walking in a high tempo for 1 hour.
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Don't do long cardio sessions. Do high intensity cardio (sprinting, jumping) for set amounts of time without stopping, then taking a short break. Slowly increase activity to rest ratios as you get stronger.
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Germany3598 Posts
On October 10 2013 12:19 Whatson wrote:
Swimming is such a good workout
But it's wet and I hate water. I prefer running through the woods.
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ha, I spent 9 hours cutting down, digging out the rootstock and taking apart a decent-sized yew last week. That's like OVER 9000 calories! Still nursing the blisters, though. And all the bruises are now greenish-blue.
edit: not that I'm fat. And I kinda busted my knee. But it was fun.
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I do 15kph at the end of my workout for like 2 minutes. 15kph really is fast and cannot be sustained long-term if you are not already in pretty good shape. I do sports 5 times a week, but... I usually run at 12/13kph. But its my warmup for lifting so... npnp :D
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The more swole you are the higher your BMR. So ironically get BIG to get SKINNY.
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On October 10 2013 15:56 Tobberoth wrote:
Damnit, why doesn't the table include powerwalks? I've found several sources stating that powerwalks are more effective than running (at least if you don't have the stamina to run long/fast enough of course), it would be sweet to see how it compares... say, walking in a high tempo for 1 hour.
It included walking, at many different speeds, and it also has racewalking up on one of the charts. Sorry, but the several sources you read are entirely bullshit. Just think about the common sense of it all, more air intake, more oxygen being processed, more muscles working harder, more calories burned. Iirc, it's something like 5cals per liter of air, or was it 5 liters per cal. Something like that.
edit-Maybe they compared the fastest walking speed 5mph, to the slowest running speed of 5mph which the chart shows are the same calories burned. I dunno if you could really call either a run or walk, more of a jog to me.
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On October 10 2013 20:36 NarutO wrote:
I do 15kph at the end of my workout for like 2 minutes. 15kph really is fast and cannot be sustained long-term if you are not already in pretty good shape. I do sports 5 times a week, but... I usually run at 12/13kph. But its my warmup for lifting so... npnp :D
I can never tell how fast I am running on the treadmills because they seem to all sort of vary speeds. I usually set it between 6 and 8 (I don't think it is mph), but I usually warmup doing lots of stretching, then fast walk .15mile, then run 7~ .50, then fast walk .15, run out the rest at 7 or 8, then walk til i'm cooled off. I guess next time I should time how long it takes me to run the .5 to figure my speed. The whole thing takes around 10-11minutes usually.
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On October 10 2013 15:13 lichter wrote:
Yes, yes I am.
I already exercise a lot, I guess I just need to devour more food.
yea drop the cardio stuff, maybe just run a few times a week for your heart and lungs. Eat a lot and lift more weights. rawr
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I chopped down around 20 large branches overhanging my fence up the biggest ladder I had using a small hand axe. Talk about sore forearms. My shirt was as wet as it has been since playing outdoor racquet ball in Florida.
Would recommend!
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On October 10 2013 21:24 MarlieChurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 20:36 NarutO wrote:
I do 15kph at the end of my workout for like 2 minutes. 15kph really is fast and cannot be sustained long-term if you are not already in pretty good shape. I do sports 5 times a week, but... I usually run at 12/13kph. But its my warmup for lifting so... npnp :D I can never tell how fast I am running on the treadmills because they seem to all sort of vary speeds. I usually set it between 6 and 8 (I don't think it is mph), but I usually warmup doing lots of stretching, then fast walk .15mile, then run 7~ .50, then fast walk .15, run out the rest at 7 or 8, then walk til i'm cooled off. I guess next time I should time how long it takes me to run the .5 to figure my speed. The whole thing takes around 10-11minutes usually.
Mine are KPH and I am doing stretching/a bit of jumping to get at least a bit of heat into the muscles.
I will walk 2,5 - 3 minutes at 6 KPH
I will run at 11/12 KPH for 10 minutes
I will walk at 6 KPH for 2 minutes
I will sprint for 2 minutes at 15 KPH (yes that is sprint for me TT, I could go faster but with exhaustion beforehand and doing it every day, I am not so sure the treadmill wouldn't fuck me hard lol
After that I am doing basic workout. Pullups, Benchpress, Legpress, Shoulderstuff etc... If I do a cardio day, I will set up 5 stations after my initial warmup /running
pushups on 3 bosu (google if you don't know it, its half of a ball)
burpees
kettlebell swings (12kg)
barbell rows+overheadpress with just the bar (20kg)
box jumps
I will do that 3 rounds with 20 reps each. My hurt goes nuts, all muscles sore. After one round, you can get 1 minute break. Its really a sick workout and is really fun. It looks a bit stupid but I am not in the gym to look fine, but to get fit.
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I think even better (HIIT) would be mixing those 5 stations with replacing some shit. Like, boxjumps -> deadlift -> burpees -> pushups on bosu -> barbell rows with 65-70% of your max, repeat. Mixing cardio with strength usually burns a ton. But if you want to get fit/lose weigth the biggest part is nutrition anyways.
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On October 10 2013 21:37 NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 21:24 MarlieChurphy wrote:On October 10 2013 20:36 NarutO wrote:
I do 15kph at the end of my workout for like 2 minutes. 15kph really is fast and cannot be sustained long-term if you are not already in pretty good shape. I do sports 5 times a week, but... I usually run at 12/13kph. But its my warmup for lifting so... npnp :D I can never tell how fast I am running on the treadmills because they seem to all sort of vary speeds. I usually set it between 6 and 8 (I don't think it is mph), but I usually warmup doing lots of stretching, then fast walk .15mile, then run 7~ .50, then fast walk .15, run out the rest at 7 or 8, then walk til i'm cooled off. I guess next time I should time how long it takes me to run the .5 to figure my speed. The whole thing takes around 10-11minutes usually. Mine are KPH and I am doing stretching/a bit of jumping to get at least a bit of heat into the muscles. I will walk 2,5 - 3 minutes at 6 KPH I will run at 11/12 KPH for 10 minutes I will walk at 6 KPH for 2 minutes I will sprint for 2 minutes at 15 KPH (yes that is sprint for me TT, I could go faster but with exhaustion beforehand and doing it every day, I am not so sure the treadmill wouldn't fuck me hard lol After that I am doing basic workout. Pullups, Benchpress, Legpress, Shoulderstuff etc... If I do a cardio day, I will set up 5 stations after my initial warmup /running pushups on 3 bosu (google if you don't know it, its half of a ball) burpees kettlebell swings (12kg) barbell rows+overheadpress with just the bar (20kg) box jumps I will do that 3 rounds with 20 reps each. My hurt goes nuts, all muscles sore. After one round, you can get 1 minute break. Its really a sick workout and is really fun. It looks a bit stupid but I am not in the gym to look fine, but to get fit. :3 I think even better (HIIT) would be mixing those 5 stations with replacing some shit. Like, boxjumps -> deadlift -> burpees -> pushups on bosu -> barbell rows with 65-70% of your max, repeat. Mixing cardio with strength usually burns a ton. But if you want to get fit/lose weigth the biggest part is nutrition anyways.
It seems like your fitness goals are for a sport? Or you learned them from doing sports? They are all more tailored to natural organic movements rather than strength training or muscle building (which is fine).
If you want to incorporate more strength training without giving up what you currently do just make sure you do these 5 things: bench press, front squat, deadlift, pullups, and tricep dips. they hit all the big mover muscle groups as well as all the support muscle groups.
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On October 10 2013 21:19 MarlieChurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 15:56 Tobberoth wrote:
Damnit, why doesn't the table include powerwalks? I've found several sources stating that powerwalks are more effective than running (at least if you don't have the stamina to run long/fast enough of course), it would be sweet to see how it compares... say, walking in a high tempo for 1 hour. It included walking, at many different speeds, and it also has racewalking up on one of the charts. Sorry, but the several sources you read are entirely bullshit. Just think about the common sense of it all, more air intake, more oxygen being processed, more muscles working harder, more calories burned. Iirc, it's something like 5cals per liter of air, or was it 5 liters per cal. Something like that. edit-Maybe they compared the fastest walking speed 5mph, to the slowest running speed of 5mph which the chart shows are the same calories burned. I dunno if you could really call either a run or walk, more of a jog to me.
It's more that powerwalking for an hour is quite easy to do even if you're out of shape, while running at a high pace for a whole hour non-stop is borderline impossible, and it's far more effective to powerwalk for 1 hour than to run at a slow pace for 30 minutes then giving up because you're about to die.
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On October 10 2013 22:16 MarlieChurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2013 21:37 NarutO wrote:On October 10 2013 21:24 MarlieChurphy wrote:On October 10 2013 20:36 NarutO wrote:
I do 15kph at the end of my workout for like 2 minutes. 15kph really is fast and cannot be sustained long-term if you are not already in pretty good shape. I do sports 5 times a week, but... I usually run at 12/13kph. But its my warmup for lifting so... npnp :D I can never tell how fast I am running on the treadmills because they seem to all sort of vary speeds. I usually set it between 6 and 8 (I don't think it is mph), but I usually warmup doing lots of stretching, then fast walk .15mile, then run 7~ .50, then fast walk .15, run out the rest at 7 or 8, then walk til i'm cooled off. I guess next time I should time how long it takes me to run the .5 to figure my speed. The whole thing takes around 10-11minutes usually. Mine are KPH and I am doing stretching/a bit of jumping to get at least a bit of heat into the muscles. I will walk 2,5 - 3 minutes at 6 KPH I will run at 11/12 KPH for 10 minutes I will walk at 6 KPH for 2 minutes I will sprint for 2 minutes at 15 KPH (yes that is sprint for me TT, I could go faster but with exhaustion beforehand and doing it every day, I am not so sure the treadmill wouldn't fuck me hard lol After that I am doing basic workout. Pullups, Benchpress, Legpress, Shoulderstuff etc... If I do a cardio day, I will set up 5 stations after my initial warmup /running pushups on 3 bosu (google if you don't know it, its half of a ball) burpees kettlebell swings (12kg) barbell rows+overheadpress with just the bar (20kg) box jumps I will do that 3 rounds with 20 reps each. My hurt goes nuts, all muscles sore. After one round, you can get 1 minute break. Its really a sick workout and is really fun. It looks a bit stupid but I am not in the gym to look fine, but to get fit. :3 I think even better (HIIT) would be mixing those 5 stations with replacing some shit. Like, boxjumps -> deadlift -> burpees -> pushups on bosu -> barbell rows with 65-70% of your max, repeat. Mixing cardio with strength usually burns a ton. But if you want to get fit/lose weigth the biggest part is nutrition anyways. It seems like your fitness goals are for a sport? Or you learned them from doing sports? They are all more tailored to natural organic movements rather than strength training or muscle building (which is fine). If you want to incorporate more strength training without giving up what you currently do just make sure you do these 5 things: bench press, front squat, deadlift, pullups, and tricep dips. they hit all the big mover muscle groups as well as all the support muscle groups.
Its what I do when I do a cardio day. I pump iron 3 times a week but I cannot do whole body workouts 5 times a week and I dont like splits. When I do strenght stuff:
Benchpress/Chestpress
Pullups tight and wide grip
Deadlifts
Occasionally Squats but I injured myself doing them in the past. Its in my head now. I can do squats without weight ass to grass but movement with the bar makes me struggle and it feels funny... its in my head probably.
Furthermore barbell rows/overheadpress. Never did dips or frontsquats. Worth a shot I guess. Will try out, thanks!
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