• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:29
CEST 08:29
KST 15:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 236ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion2BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion2Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool Starcraft vs Retro Category on Twitch
Tourneys
Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0 IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6622 users

My education and future

Blogs > darkness
Post a Reply
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 22 2013 16:17 GMT
#1
Hey guys

I'd like to share a part of my story too. It is about my path to software engineering. You may be able to help me or just comment.

Introduction

Long story short, I'm from Bulgaria and I finished a language school in 2011 with intensive studying of English and German as a second language, but truth be told, I know almost nothing in the latter language.

I can't exactly remember when I have become truly determined to study abroad but it should be near to my 1st or 2nd year in that school which should be 8th-9th grade. So the application process began in late 2010 for me, I was required to get an English certificate (I picked TOEFL because it was popular back then), but IELTS could have been just as good. By this time, British members on TL may already have an idea which country I have chosen. Well, the United Kingdom. Of course, I also had to maintain a certain overall mark for my diploma in order to enter university. In particular, University of Liverpool. I had an unconditional offer to study 'Computing With a Year In Industry' in some time of summer, but I changed it to 'Software Development' at the end of my 1st year.

Currently...

Well, I'm currently in year 3 still as 'Software Development'. This is my final bachelor year at university so I think about my future career from time to time. If everything goes well, I hope I can be a good software engineer one day. However, I'm still unsure if I pick modules right, so I'm going to give you quick recap of what I've studied as modules. I'm only going to list the names to make it shorter. Note that we mainly use Java for programming assignments unless the module itself is about a different language.

Year 1 (no optional modules)
COMP110: Professional Skills in Computer Science
COMP101: Introduction to Programming in Java
COMP102: Introduction to Databases
COMP103: Computer Systems
COMP104: Operating System Concepts
COMP106: Human-Centric Computing
COMP108: Algorithmic Foundations
COMP109: Foundations of Computer Science
COMP118: Logic in Computer Science

Year 2
COMP201: Software Engineering I (mandatory)
COMP207: Database Development
COMP208: Group Software Project
COMP213: Advanced Object-Oriented Programming
COMP220: Software Development Tools
COMP211: Internet Principles
COMP212: Distributed Systems
COMP281: Principles of C and Memory Management
COMP282: Advanced Object Oriented C Languages <--- 1-2 weeks of C++ and the rest 3 weeks for Objective C.

Choices: Internet Principles + Distributed Systems or Artificial Intelligence + Scripting Languages.
I picked the former.

Year 3 (currently)

Semester 1:
COMP319: Software Engineering II (mandatory)
COMP327: Mobile Computing
COMP329: Robotics and Autonomous Systems

Semester 2:
COMP310: Multi-Agent Systems
COMP313: Formal Methods
COMP318: Advanced Web Technologies

All year long:
COMP390: Honours Year Computer Science Project

I'm unsure if picking 'Formal Methods' would be beneficial if I don't plan to be in the security sector. At least for now but I didn't want to pick 'Semantics Of Programming Languages' because the lecturer i) writes only on blackboard, ii) doesn't give handouts/uploads lectures, iii) I don't feel like taking notes, iv) I have to study Maude again which isn't appealing and v) I can't miss a single lecture as a result of i) and ii).

Also, I'm not sure if 'Advanced Web Technologies' would help me. I, honestly, don't understand what syllabus could teach me: link to module

Anyway, here's a full list of my degree's modules:
http://intranet.csc.liv.ac.uk/teaching/programmes/programme.php?pcode=G610

Finally...

So after I finish my BSc in Computer Science, I think I should get a masters degree as well to be more employable and better paid. However, I've recently heard that there is no loan from SLC (Student Loan Company) for MSc. If this is the case, then I think I can't afford it. So I either need to have a gap year to earn some money or to go to USA and get a loan (if possible) there to study masters. Are there any other options?

Finally, I feel like UK can't be my place for permanent living (food, weather, etc), so I'd rather live in the US or somewhere else as long as it's an English speaking country. I've heard that there is a lack of people in the IT department in the US and that is it well paid, so that makes it even more appealing for me.

So that's it. I hope you express your opinion and/or give advice. If you have any questions, just ask.

Thank you for your time!

docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
September 22 2013 16:57 GMT
#2
On September 23 2013 01:17 darkness wrote:
Finally, I feel like UK can't be my place for permanent living (food, weather, etc), so I'd rather live in the US or somewhere else as long as it's an English speaking country. I've heard that there is a lack of people in the IT department in the US and that is it well paid, so that makes it even more appealing for me.

To my knowledge this is the same kind of thing everyone says about the U.S. about the job field they study in. To my knowledge, the U.S. has no dearth of people working in IT nor is there a short supply of people that are brought in from foreign countries to work for pennies on the dollar. The U.S.'s weather is also heavily variant and the cost of living in any big city is high. I'd suggest looking more into it, I'm not saying it's impossible by any means, but I do think your view on U.S. IT may be a bit misinformed.

To be fair, I'm not expert, so if I'm wrong, don't take any of what I said as true.
User was warned for too many mimes.
NeuroticPsychosis
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States322 Posts
September 22 2013 17:04 GMT
#3
He's right in a way, the US doesn't have enough college students studying IT so they mainly hire IT people from other countries...also the majority of students pursuing Masters or PhD degrees in science/technology/engineering related fields come from outside the US. Good Luck OP
intricate, elaborate, articulate, crystallize, conceptualize, synthesize
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
September 22 2013 17:31 GMT
#4
can you give additional reasons for wanting to pursue this other than being employable and good pay?
Sc2 Terran Coach, top 16GM NA - interested in coaching? Message me on teamliquid!
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 22 2013 17:39 GMT
#5
On September 23 2013 02:31 Smurfett3 wrote:
can you give additional reasons for wanting to pursue this other than being employable and good pay?


Nope, but everyone advises me to get a masters degree for those 2 reasons.
EJK
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States1302 Posts
September 22 2013 17:45 GMT
#6
On September 23 2013 02:39 darkness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 02:31 Smurfett3 wrote:
can you give additional reasons for wanting to pursue this other than being employable and good pay?


Nope, but everyone advises me to get a masters degree for those 2 reasons.

What do you advise yourself though? Could you be passionate about these kind of jobs? Is this something you see yourself committing to for the next 20-30 years of your life? Will you regret not doing something else if you end up doing this?
Sc2 Terran Coach, top 16GM NA - interested in coaching? Message me on teamliquid!
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 22 2013 18:17 GMT
#7
On September 23 2013 02:45 Smurfett3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 23 2013 02:39 darkness wrote:
On September 23 2013 02:31 Smurfett3 wrote:
can you give additional reasons for wanting to pursue this other than being employable and good pay?


Nope, but everyone advises me to get a masters degree for those 2 reasons.

What do you advise yourself though? Could you be passionate about these kind of jobs? Is this something you see yourself committing to for the next 20-30 years of your life? Will you regret not doing something else if you end up doing this?


Well, believe it or not, I've wanted to do IT since I was a child. I haven't changed my mind since then, so I don't see myself change my mind (hopefully). So yes, I'd commit as a software engineer.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 22 2013 18:40 GMT
#8
What kind of job will you be looking for? Computer science is quite vast. If you want to work for somewhere like Intel, then having a MSc is definitely a huge plus, but there's a lot of places where your education level isn't as important.
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
September 22 2013 18:42 GMT
#9
On September 23 2013 03:40 Chairman Ray wrote:
What kind of job will you be looking for? Computer science is quite vast. If you want to work for somewhere like Intel, then having a MSc is definitely a huge plus, but there's a lot of places where your education level isn't as important.


Software Engineering. Preferrably non-web languages. I don't want to be into the Critical System (Formal Specification) so far.
Chaosu
Profile Joined October 2005
Poland404 Posts
September 22 2013 19:10 GMT
#10
Here in Poland Masters in IT is only for really passionate people, ordinary programmers don't need it at all. Also, people who wish to learn further usually are already working/practicing the programming, I don't think you wrote anything about your experiences but "gap year" is definately a good idea if you have no experience (and not a bad idea if you have some already, as Masters is something you can take when you're a bit older too).
Please be patient.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
September 22 2013 19:18 GMT
#11
One thing you can do is try to get a good job after your BSc, work for a while and then go back for a MSc if the place you work at could benefit from it. A lot of companies give benefits and support to their employees going back to school.

Have you also considered getting a PhD? There's a huge gap between MSc and PhD in software engineering since research roles are high in demand now and they often require PhD. You'll sometimes find starting salaries of 150k+.

Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
Crank Gathers S4: Group Stage
LiquipediaDiscussion
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
23:00
FSL Team League S11 POG vs ASH
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft627
PiGStarcraft602
Nina 108
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 3636
Soma 184
ZergMaN 66
NaDa 32
ajuk12(nOOB) 9
Noble 5
League of Legends
JimRising 843
Counter-Strike
summit1g8805
Other Games
C9.Mang0326
Mew2King24
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick30869
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 120
• practicex 33
• StrangeGG 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos717
• Stunt450
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
2h 31m
Serral vs Bunny
ByuN vs GgMaChine
CranKy Ducklings
3h 31m
Afreeca Starleague
3h 31m
Snow vs Jaedong
YSC vs hero
SC Evo League
5h 31m
ByuN vs Classic
Cure vs Solar
IPSL
9h 31m
Dragon vs Ret
Patches Events
9h 31m
RSL Revival
1d 2h
Solar vs Rogue
Maru vs NightMare
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 3h
IPSL
1d 9h
Bonyth vs Hawk
GSL
2 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W2
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.