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DW-Unrec
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
492 Posts
September 18 2013 04:37 GMT
#1
How long do you think it will take eSports to settle down? Because right now what we have is "adapt or starve", many players are hopping to whichever game is paying the most. 2 years ago that was SC2, now it's league of legends. What do you guys think of that? I think its shame things haven't gotten similar to actual sports yet, I don't like seeing players switching games just for the money (destiny, bestyqt, among others).

I'm going along with the switching because I play games for the competitive scene and not for the actual game, but there are some games that I ended up liking for X reasons, and it's a shame to see less and less players active in it.

*
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 04:50:58
September 18 2013 04:44 GMT
#2
chill, we didnt hop through that many games.

this is a really dumb question that is really just tunnelvisioning 1 trend lol

You're lacking important details.
A trend you should come across is how widespread LoL was able to take off when SC2 couldn't make it big even with Brood War to back it up (especially in Korea)
Another thing you should think about DotA being really prestigious as LoL nowadays. Biggest steam game + TI is a really cool annual tourny to follow with a huge prize pool.
Other things to consider is the seemingly smaller skillcap required to play LoL, hence a more profitable investment for mechanically sound players.
Other than BW, SC2, DotA, LoL, what game could you possibly be talking about??

My problem is answering the question.
We have competitive scenes for all 4 games.
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2779 Posts
September 18 2013 04:49 GMT
#3
I think you're looking at the picture the wrong way. You should always play games for their own merit first. Why do you think so many people are switching to LoL? Sure there is the money involved, and the chance at stability, but honestly it probably is just as cutthroat and unstable financially. Just a different division of dollars.

The game has to be FUN! And most of all - rewarding! It has to feel like no matter how high up the skill-ladder you go, that there is still an infinite amount of things to improve on. LoL, with the teamplay aspect (which by itself is very rewarding) surely has this element.

SC2 is just a bit dull. It's not as mechanically demanding as BW (which is what I love and is why I am playing it now), nor as strategically demanding as these MOBAs with 5 player teams or other, more cerebral games.

Even if the game goes, you should play what YOU want to play. It makes no fucking sense to follow whatever game is "in" if you hate the shit out of it. BW is certainly not in like it was anymore, but that does not mean it is not still competitive as fuck!

LoL has a lot of things going for it which is why it is in. As a competitor and a good one, it is only natural to see SC2 shrink as a result. Until SC2 ramps up the mechanical difficulty or the strategic depth (unit compositions are not depth, people) there will probably be a lot more former BW gamers and others who switch away from it (whether for money or because they are sick of the game).

It's a natural part of the process. The only way to avoid it is to play the game YOU love, not the game that is in. If the game that is in happens to be something you enjoy, more power to you. This is why ESPORTS is a FAD. Games do NOT work in the same way as sports. It's the natural flow of technological advancement, dude.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-18 06:58:28
September 18 2013 06:57 GMT
#4
video games are just too unstable for long term growth

the longest running competitive video game on a real pro level was broodwar, and even that couldn't last more than 12 years. people thought cs1.6 and quake 3 were going the end all be all of progaming, then CGS singlehandedly killed those games. people can't even decide on a street fighter to play, and always end up going for the newest version. esports the way most people want it to be is a pipe dream

just enjoy whatever game you play and if it's lucky enough to be the new flavor of the month then maybe you'll get a few years of progaming out of it
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5478 Posts
September 18 2013 09:26 GMT
#5
On September 18 2013 15:57 rauk wrote:
video games are just too unstable for long term growth

the longest running competitive video game on a real pro level was broodwar, and even that couldn't last more than 12 years. people thought cs1.6 and quake 3 were going the end all be all of progaming, then CGS singlehandedly killed those games. people can't even decide on a street fighter to play, and always end up going for the newest version. esports the way most people want it to be is a pipe dream

just enjoy whatever game you play and if it's lucky enough to be the new flavor of the month then maybe you'll get a few years of progaming out of it

YH pretty much.
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i99
Profile Joined February 2012
United States362 Posts
September 18 2013 12:55 GMT
#6
Maybe I'm just a nolstagiafag but I thought the esports scene was awesome when games like CS 1.6, War3, Dota, SCBW, Quake, etc were the big games years ago. I remember watching WCG when it was olympics for esports instead of what it is now, and watching Dreamhack was always a treat when it wasn't so LoL focused. I don't have anything against LoL players but I absolutely loathe the fact that LoL is the premier esports title when it is just some casual shitfest, and I can only see LoL getting bigger and bigger eventually devouring the scene.
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
September 18 2013 15:30 GMT
#7
"E-sports" is a buzzword to get you to buy things you don't need to support something that doesn't exist. There is no such thing as "Esports" we have competitive games all with their own communities and success in one in almost every case doesn't mean success for another. Games don't last long enough to be a real sport, gaming itself does but specific games do not.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
September 18 2013 20:19 GMT
#8
On September 18 2013 21:55 i99 wrote:
Maybe I'm just a nolstagiafag but I thought the esports scene was awesome when games like CS 1.6, War3, Dota, SCBW, Quake, etc were the big games years ago. I remember watching WCG when it was olympics for esports instead of what it is now, and watching Dreamhack was always a treat when it wasn't so LoL focused. I don't have anything against LoL players but I absolutely loathe the fact that LoL is the premier esports title when it is just some casual shitfest, and I can only see LoL getting bigger and bigger eventually devouring the scene.


Nah, I think Dota2 will kill off LoL for two reasons:

- LoL makes people rage, and eventually they will grow tired of their rage, and uh.... rage-quit.

- Better team games are already emerging that are like LoL, but... better.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
rauk
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States2228 Posts
September 18 2013 20:22 GMT
#9
nina pls

how many games DON'T make people rage?
wingpawn
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
Poland1342 Posts
September 18 2013 21:51 GMT
#10
eSports won't settle down, because it's not a conservative disciple. New games are made every year, people constantly switch over to them and forsake old ones. In terms of stability, it's purely a bandwagon thing - people are making massive switches from one game to another, because they believe that everyone else is making the same switch at the same time. And when everyone starts believing that, it simply becomes true - especially with hype / marketing support from gammakers. Pretty simple, except that this process must continue at high speed - otherwise, money is going to be lost.
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