EPTI played piano for several years, went to college for it, etc. I've seen several people who were naturally incredibly gifted and excelled at everything, and I've also seen a lot of people who were not very gifted but still managed to keep up. Whether or not you can be the best concert pianist in the world, you can still graduate from college with a piano performance degree and still make a living off of accompanying and playing for churches/special events. Talent is a real thing, but it's only 10% of what makes a person great at something; the rest is hard work.
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EsportsJohn
United States4883 Posts
I played piano for several years, went to college for it, etc. I've seen several people who were naturally incredibly gifted and excelled at everything, and I've also seen a lot of people who were not very gifted but still managed to keep up. Whether or not you can be the best concert pianist in the world, you can still graduate from college with a piano performance degree and still make a living off of accompanying and playing for churches/special events. Talent is a real thing, but it's only 10% of what makes a person great at something; the rest is hard work. | ||
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Darkwhite
Norway352 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On September 08 2013 05:09 SC2John wrote: Everyone has control over their lives and the ability to be whatever they want to be within specific guidelines. That means that even if the average person can't be as good as Flash (who, for the sake of this argument, is the most talented progamer to date), they can still reach masters or grandmasters on any ladder with dedicated and deliberate practice. I played piano for several years, went to college for it, etc. I've seen several people who were naturally incredibly gifted and excelled at everything, and I've also seen a lot of people who were not very gifted but still managed to keep up. Whether or not you can be the best concert pianist in the world, you can still graduate from college with a piano performance degree and still make a living off of accompanying and playing for churches/special events. Talent is a real thing, but it's only 10% of what makes a person great at something; the rest is hard work. Time is limited, and at the top everyone works hard. So talent wins there | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On September 08 2013 00:46 hypercube wrote: I don't think following checklists is a particularly rare genetic trait. If you can't do it it's probably not because you don't have the right genes for it. I meant, mental checklists within the game. 'Starsense' timings. Like for example, knowing when you need to hit those injects, not missing supply depots, constantly producing workers and units at the right pace, etc. On September 08 2013 05:09 SC2John wrote: I played piano for several years, went to college for it, etc. I've seen several people who were naturally incredibly gifted and excelled at everything, and I've also seen a lot of people who were not very gifted but still managed to keep up. Whether or not you can be the best concert pianist in the world, you can still graduate from college with a piano performance degree and still make a living off of accompanying and playing for churches/special events. Talent is a real thing, but it's only 10% of what makes a person great at something; the rest is hard work. Are you pretty good at games/sc2? It would seem that piano dexterity and the learning of complex note patterns and timings etc would translate well into RTS gameplay. If so, I wonder if other piano gamers have similar experience. Or for that matter, any dextrous hobbies like that, playing guitar, techdeck/pen spinning/butterfly knife, etc. | ||
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BisuEver
United States247 Posts
On September 07 2013 19:24 MarlieChurphy wrote: I have had a similar experience in life. I feel like the age old saying "Jack of all trades. Master of none." has been a pretty truthful statement with my life. I can easily learn to do anything and even exceed in doing it above the average most times, but if it comes to being the best at something specific I just can't do it or I stop caring about it at a certain level (no more challenge or excitement in the endeavor). I would say my best gift is learning and adapting quickly and often, what the hell does that translate into as far as a passion, hobby, or career though? Pretty hard to do that when someone's standing on your chest but ok. ![[image loading]](http://api.ning.com/files/a7E5RrLHpGr2eCD**xXswuDC-EapoZGcYJWQRlyotX-z0ssaT-cyJWDCtY2kDeWQyJFuw55giQL1gsWg63p-mWSiWSEWPhAw/funnygifproblemsdreamsreality.gif) | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
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Burrfoot
United States1176 Posts
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Swede
New Zealand853 Posts
On September 08 2013 05:50 biology]major wrote: Time is limited, and at the top everyone works hard. So talent wins there Not all hard work is equal. Like Chef mentioned, there are superior ways to study/practice. Two people with similar levels of 'talent' practicing for the same amount of time each day will most likely have differing results. | ||
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SupplyBlockedTV
Belgium313 Posts
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
1. People who aren't good enough and need something to blame their inadequacy on. 2. People who are really good and attribute something other than their own hard work to sound humble. Do something for 10 000 hours and you'll be amazing at it. | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
On September 08 2013 21:40 Tobberoth wrote: Attributing genetics and talent is done by two types of people: 1. People who aren't good enough and need something to blame their inadequacy on. 2. People who are really good and attribute something other than their own hard work to sound humble. Do something for 10 000 hours and you'll be amazing at it. 3. Realistic people. We're talking about the absolute limits of performance in certain areas here, not a gold SC2 player who's mad he's not getting into platinum because he's "untalented". The point is not to argue whether people could become better at things given the right mindset and training, the point is whether people should be encouraged to try and become the best in a career path they have no talent in. | ||
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SupplyBlockedTV
Belgium313 Posts
On September 08 2013 22:34 Saechiis wrote: 3. Realistic people. We're talking about the absolute limits of performance in certain areas here, not a gold SC2 player who's mad he's not getting into platinum because he's "untalented". The point is not to argue whether people could become better at things given the right mindset and training, the point is whether people should be encouraged to try and become the best in a career path they have no talent in. To be honest, trying to excel at something and seeking challenges to overcome is the western way of life. I do not understand why it is so many people look down on this life style (just speaking about people in general here). It doesn't matter if you do not achieve your goals to become the best of the best, atleast you had a purpose in life, atleast you made yourself a better person by constantly trying to improve yourself. It will help you excel in other areas of life to, because you learned discipline and tenacity. But....and here is the but, you have to be smart about anything you do, do not drop out of highschool to chase your ambitions, always have a plan b. But this has nothing to do about why you should not chase your ambitions. | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
On September 07 2013 23:45 CosmicSpiral wrote: The differences in reaction time among human beings has little to do with the nervous system. It has everything to do with training to spot ancillary cues and anticipating future circumstances from those. It's why baseball players can hit 90 mph fastballs but can't touch 60 mph softballs. Also please never quote Life as an example of a "talented prodigy". All the old-school fans remember when he was legitimately terrible in ZvP and ZvT and couldn't beat decent players to save his life. He wasn't particularly good when he started and it took him a very long time to get anywhere. lmao im reading that book right now  | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On September 08 2013 20:46 SupplyBlockedTV wrote: Blah blah blah genetics. 99,99% is hard work....the rest is luck and genetics. This is what I'm talking about. This mentality that anyone can be an astronaut or a physicist or whatever if they just work hard. I'm not saying people shouldn't work hard, or that hard work hasn't achieved anything. I think it's just wrong and misleading to children. I know some really smart kids who seem to be naturally quick and witty and I know some really dumb kids who are just naturally slow. And I don't think it has much to do with the nurture element. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
The same is not true for physical aspects, since after a certain point your body will simply not produce any more muscle or bone mass, no matter how hard you train. There are barely any (possibly 0) pro bodybuilders who are not on all sorts of anabolic steroids. I would bet that the vast majority of pro athletes in other sports are on other drugs too - anavar and clen especially. I doubt there's a single human being on Earth whose genetically able to reach 6'6+ 280+ lbs at <15% BF without PEDs/AAS, even though most football (American) and basketball players fit that description. A lot of them probably took HGH during their teenage years too. | ||
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SupplyBlockedTV
Belgium313 Posts
On September 09 2013 20:54 MarlieChurphy wrote: This is what I'm talking about. This mentality that anyone can be an astronaut or a physicist or whatever if they just work hard. I'm not saying people shouldn't work hard, or that hard work hasn't achieved anything. I think it's just wrong and misleading to children. I know some really smart kids who seem to be naturally quick and witty and I know some really dumb kids who are just naturally slow. And I don't think it has much to do with the nurture element. “Genius is 1% talent and 99% percent hard work...” ― Albert Einstein I have known really stupid people who finished a master degree at university (im speaking about people with a below 100 IQ), it might have taken them a few years longer but in the end they still did it. Will they be good at what they do? I don`t know. But atleast they have proven that they can do it, they can practice a better job and earn more then if they would have just started working after highschool (just speaking in general here). And yea, it is misleading to children if you tell them, you will be a astronaut when you grow up, because chances are slim...but if this child tries to pursue this dream, who knows he ends up with a master degree in sciences and finds a nice job, he didnt realise his dream, but it didnt ruin his life. You only have one life, you should do with it what you want, and if it fails, yea it might hurt, but atleast you tried. You should nurture dreams and ambitions in children, i think its a good thing, but yea, lifes a bitch and its not always a fairy tale. anyway, soon we will have GENE DOPING. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_doping bye bye genetic limits. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On September 09 2013 20:54 MarlieChurphy wrote: This is what I'm talking about. This mentality that anyone can be an astronaut or a physicist or whatever if they just work hard. I'm not saying people shouldn't work hard, or that hard work hasn't achieved anything. I think it's just wrong and misleading to children. I know some really smart kids who seem to be naturally quick and witty and I know some really dumb kids who are just naturally slow. And I don't think it has much to do with the nurture element. I don't think that's true at all. It's all about interest. I can't even imagine a person who is interested enough in space to try to become an astronaut who simply can't do it in the end because he was born "too dumb", unless he has some real physical disability. What's more likely to be a commonality among people of very high education? That they studied a lot, or that they were born with better genes? | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
Are black people just less athletic or are they driven less than their asian peers by their parents and do they have a harder time finding friends that aren't black as well as an onslaught of societal stigma? | ||
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MarlieChurphy
United States2065 Posts
On September 10 2013 01:48 SupplyBlockedTV wrote: “Genius is 1% talent and 99% percent hard work...” ― Albert Einstein . Someone suggested earlier that there are only 2 kinds of people, dumb people blaming genes, and smart people playing modest. I think Einstein is the latter here, otherwise that's a pretty dumb statement. I would say it's something more along the lines of 30/70 on a general principle, but for specific application to something it would have to be at least 50/50 because you can't have one without the other when achieving a goal on the order of magnitude of something like the theory of relativity. So I could argue that without the talent the hardwork does nothing, and without the hardwork the talent also does nothing. I mostly agree with the rest of what you said. On September 10 2013 05:00 Tobberoth wrote: I don't think that's true at all. It's all about interest. I can't even imagine a person who is interested enough in space to try to become an astronaut who simply can't do it in the end because he was born "too dumb", unless he has some real physical disability. What's more likely to be a commonality among people of very high education? That they studied a lot, or that they were born with better genes? Correlation isn't causation though. As far as your argument for space, there are other requirements besides IQ. Some of them they just will not let a person into space with due to risks both financially and physically. I dunno maybe you end up too short or something (don't really know all the space reqs) | ||
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