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I just don't think that I have the attitude as a person to be able to see past the mistakes of 4 other people and not get extremely frustrated when I take team games seriously. Lately I have been focusing more on Dota 2 and trying some LoL ranked and having a 40-70 minute commitment ruined by something completely out of my control is just the most frustrating thing I can imagine.
I make mistakes, everyone does, I think the problem comes from the fact that while I can control my mistakes and work on them I can never expect 4 other people to not make mistakes but I feel in trying to improve I am constantly hindered by trying to improve my mistakes AND hope I get smart team mates.
Is there a way to overcome this? Is it maybe just a personality type thing? I play games to be the best, I will obviously never reach this goal but I play competitive games to continue improving and to try and reach the top, again, no delusions that this is an intangible goal but it leaves me constant goals to achieve, but I'm not getting any younger (28) and I start university next year (again) games like Sc2 require to much throughput to be good at for the time I have, this leaves games like Dota, LoL, CS:GO or as I have aptly named them the team games.
Has anyone had the same experience as me with team games in general? Did you ever overcome it or find a way to not let it bother you as much?
 
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I never had fun playing pub games in LoL before. Once you join a stable team of level headed and equally skilled players, then the game becomes really good.
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I'd like to see the next level of sports games where folks take every position on a team sport - in baseball, soccer, football (soccer would probably be the only one that would work) and play a full season on twitch!
I guess a game would have to support that type of first person control.
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When someone fucks up big time or you see them about to go full retard don't type anything. Think about how you can minimize damage and keep your team in the game.
Some games just can't be carried because someone really wants to have their temper tantrum, watevs. Also if someone goes full retard and you die with them it's not because "they baited you", it's because you didn't recognize that the retard was fucked and it was best to let them die and do your best to hang on or get advantages elsewhere.
If you start flame wars in your games I ask you to remove the enter key from your keyboard for a week of gaming and see where your ratings go.
PS: Don't hope for smart teammates, it's something you can't control if you're solo queuing , look for the retard on the other team and abuse their mistakes as much as you can. Someone never wards and always over extended? Walk over and collect free money. On the flip side if your teammate never wards, buy one for them on your next back and try and minimize their damage to your team.
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play lee sin, then it's ok even when you lose
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The idea is supposed to be, don't view random team games as a group of people versus another group of people, but as you versus two groups of people, one that you have to help, and one you have to abuse. If someone on your team sucks, continue like you would if that person was just a bot, give some help, expect nothing in return. If someone on the other team sucks, abuse the hell out of them. Now the game has reached some ridiculous level of depth and multi-tasking because you're not only responsible for yourself and the other team, but for your entire team, and somewhere along the way you begin to learn that it's not about whether you win or you lose, it's about whether you played to the best of your abilities and created your advantages. In a way it's a lot more sincere (and difficult) than playing single player games, and almost a completely different attitude. As always, it's not whether you win or lose, it's if you did everything in your power that you could, to help your team win (which is never true, ever).
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you say you play to get better.
So why dont you focus on that instead of focusing on mistakes by your team.
When they time has come that the enemy team is so far ahead that you cant do anything anymore, then the game will be over within 5 minutes anyways.
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I dunno about how LoL works, but if its anything like DotA it is most certainly a lot more fun with people who are committed to being part of a team. Even if you don't have a 5 person stack that you can regularly play with, a group of people who are committed to somewhat competitive play (a DotA analogy would be Team Liquid Inhouses) makes the game a lot more fun. Despite all that, these games are usually better if you don't take them seriously especially if you are just playing pubs. Its a lot of fun that way.
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Everybody knows a few games are just bad because of various stuff. The only way to minimize that is to join a clan and play those kind of games. If you join one at the right level you are the person dragging your team down and have to learn quickly.
As for the time issue with a clan, be up front with when/how much you can play and find something that suits that. Most clans are semi inactive.
I got over team mates ruining games around 1.5k games into DotA. So that was a few years ago.
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Play pub SnD CoD. If you are half decent you can always carry your team.
E:And when you die (which in inevitable) you have plenty of time to cool off before the next round.
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I always consider that when I loose it's my fault. I was 15/0/10 and my team got exploded ? Well maybe I could have been 20/0/15 and kill the strong guys in the other team, or pick an other hero. Just think : would a progamer have lost this game ? Probably not (well if you play in the highest of very high it's maybe false, but at this point your teamates shouldn't be terrible either).
I had the same mentality in sc2, and had no problem with teamgames (even if you sometimes facepalm when an ally do a double nexus first into dying).
An other really important part about it is the chat. Most people are reasonable and accept to listen to advises if they are well sugarcoated. Just be manner and pedagogical from the start of the game ("may i go at xxx lane ?", "you should probably go xxx"), ask the stuff politely ("could someone buy some wards to put there ?"(with pointing stuff on the map) ) , and probably when you will give advises or try to lead sth you will be listen.
On the contrary if you're one of the retard that goes 'I GO MID", "xxx N00B just desinstall dota", "YOU BUY A IRON BRANCH JUST L2P", well you will probably have horrible team that will never ever listen you
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Well I think a big problem is with the lack of ladder in Dota 2 I feel like putting up with bad team mates is pointless, I don't gain anything from these games, they often last >50 minutes and it's just an exercise in frustration. I don't know maybe it's just the game type that's bothering me.
I don't know Dota has just been getting to me lately, 1500 hours of solo queue because I am bad at making friends and none of my RL ones play, solo queue is just an exercise in masochism.
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You just gotta suck it up I guess, I personally just laugh when teammates are retarded, I have two brothers that both get really angry at the game though, claiming they are stuck in 'elo hell' and that it's impossible for them to win. For both games you start having a lot more fun with a team or if you just stop caring about win/loss and focus on improving/having fun.
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On August 29 2013 17:17 Targe wrote:
You just gotta suck it up I guess, I personally just laugh when teammates are retarded, I have two brothers that both get really angry at the game though, claiming they are stuck in 'elo hell' and that it's impossible for them to win. For both games you start having a lot more fun with a team or if you just stop caring about win/loss and focus on improving/having fun.
I have no delusions that Elo hell is a lie, I realize that that because there are 4 random strangers on my team and 5 on the other that as long as I don't fuck up over time I will eventually rise up in rank, it's more spending the time doing it without wanting to murder someone.
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On August 29 2013 17:22 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 17:17 Targe wrote:
You just gotta suck it up I guess, I personally just laugh when teammates are retarded, I have two brothers that both get really angry at the game though, claiming they are stuck in 'elo hell' and that it's impossible for them to win. For both games you start having a lot more fun with a team or if you just stop caring about win/loss and focus on improving/having fun. I have no delusions that Elo hell is a lie, I realize that that because there are 4 random strangers on my team and 5 on the other that as long as I don't fuck up over time I will eventually rise up in rank, it's more spending the time doing it without wanting to murder someone.
Yeah just stop caring about games and focus on having fun, if you're as good as you think you are you will slowly rise in rank and you'll be having more fun. (consider individual games as noise on an ever increasing graph)
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On August 29 2013 08:47 Esoterikk wrote:
Has anyone had the same experience as me with team games in general? Did you ever overcome it or find a way to not let it bother you as much?
Stopped playing DotA 2 after I lost 12 games in a row thanks to my teammates. Played -ar only and obviously can't carry with random heroes. Not like this would have been possible anyway since they normally suicide already early on.
I definitely think my time is too precious to waste it like that. Even the players in random WC3 DotA pubs were way better than them.
I don't mind team shooters too much because you can still kill the enemy team on your own but Mobas and something like World of Tanks are a different story.
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You should look towards the long term rather than from game to game. If your performance is good, so will your rank eventually. Losing a few games because of teammates will happen, but if you perform well you shouldn't be upset. 1 or 2 games or even 5 mean nothing. No matter how your team does, even if you get completely stomped and there's nothing you could have done, it doesn't change your own skill. Don't invest so much in the single game you're playing with people who you probably will never play with again.
If you did your best then you should be happy with it. I would much rather lose a game where I did well than win a game where I did mediocre.
I think when you watch streams of people smurfing you can see just how apparent this is and I find it quite motivating sometimes. I remember watching a while back seeing doublelift carry a game in mid platinum when it was a 4v5.
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On August 29 2013 17:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You should look towards the long term rather than from game to game. If your performance is good, so will your rank eventually. Losing a few games because of teammates will happen, but if you perform well you shouldn't be upset. 1 or 2 games or even 5 mean nothing. No matter how your team does, even if you get completely stomped and there's nothing you could have done, it doesn't change your own skill. Don't invest so much in the single game you're playing with people who you probably will never play with again.
If you did your best then you should be happy with it. I would much rather lose a game where I did well than win a game where I did mediocre.
I think when you watch streams of people smurfing you can see just how apparent this is and I find it quite motivating sometimes. I remember watching a while back seeing doublelift carry a game in mid platinum when it was a 4v5.
This is actually a really good way to think about it and I never really bothered to look at it this way thank you for that. As for carrying games I doubt I will do that as I play support in both games .
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Supports may not carry the game but they do carry the ADC.
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On August 29 2013 18:12 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2013 17:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:
You should look towards the long term rather than from game to game. If your performance is good, so will your rank eventually. Losing a few games because of teammates will happen, but if you perform well you shouldn't be upset. 1 or 2 games or even 5 mean nothing. No matter how your team does, even if you get completely stomped and there's nothing you could have done, it doesn't change your own skill. Don't invest so much in the single game you're playing with people who you probably will never play with again.
If you did your best then you should be happy with it. I would much rather lose a game where I did well than win a game where I did mediocre.
I think when you watch streams of people smurfing you can see just how apparent this is and I find it quite motivating sometimes. I remember watching a while back seeing doublelift carry a game in mid platinum when it was a 4v5. This is actually a really good way to think about it and I never really bothered to look at it this way thank you for that. As for carrying games I doubt I will do that as I play support in both games .
Hmm I think it is really advised to not play support too much in dota when you're too low on elo, because if your carry just don't know how to farm, it's very frustrating. And to get out of a elo where you think your ally are really worse than you, nothing better than picking good carry (my personal favorite is the phantom lancer).
When I solo queue, sometimes now I feel I'm the worst player in the game, and that taking a support is maybe the way for me to not screw my team too much. And I feel I'm improving (and as I don't watch any pro matches, I learn a lot by seeing better player than me play  ) when doing this kind of games.
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