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This is a heated issue, but please keep the debate civil.
Personal insult is not 'discussion' and will be moderated. -Pg 36
snexwang
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia224 Posts
August 16 2013 14:22 GMT
#581
Go home, TB. You are drunk.
arie3000
Profile Joined October 2011
153 Posts
August 16 2013 14:22 GMT
#582
On August 16 2013 23:05 alphaproxy wrote:
Well TB explains why Genna quit (depression issues) and why he's being a dick. Kind of.

https://soundcloud.com/totalbiscuit/gennas-retirement


Listened to it. Still don't like TBs attitude, he's again burning bridges, saying that what Take did was horrible, and that he had 'to defend' whoever is close.
Yet NO THREATS WERE MADE. Take expressed hope that under the law, what Genna did was illegal. Seriously, for a native English speaker with more than 2 braincells this must be completely clear.
This public 'attack dog' mentality is the last thing that the scene can do right now - please just be caster, or (as suggested above) joint TMZ.
I really like their passion, but I hate their 'elephant in the porcelain store' approach.
hli
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada32 Posts
August 16 2013 14:22 GMT
#583
It seems that there could have been a little more consideration on both sides... and neither party's offenses really warrant holding a grudge.

From what I've read and understand,
- TaKe was trying to help by attempting to get more money from Acer to fund travel
- Genna was trying to explain to everyone why Axiom was not able to attend ATC
- TaKe took offense to public posting, Genna took offense to TaKe's reactions

Not sure of specific conversations or name-calling involved, but it really seems like both parties have their points but could apologize. Hopefully this all works out, TaKe and TB/Genna are all great IMO.
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
August 16 2013 14:23 GMT
#584
On August 16 2013 23:05 c0ldfusion wrote:
lol @ TB being TB

Poor PR handling aside, I hope the community tends to side with TB when these conflicts come up.
He's had a track record of trying to do the right thing.


hes had a track record of being a dick also
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
August 16 2013 14:26 GMT
#585
On August 16 2013 23:21 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:15 geokilla wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.

Is this the first time you got threatened with legal action? My mom deals with that daily at her work with clients. Grow up. I got threatened with legal action and racism a couple days ago. You know what I did? I played it cool, stayed calm, and finished my transaction with the buyer.


News just in, eSports is not the same as working at a supermarket.


you're so fucking condescending, losing all respect for you along with so many others


Didn't even see that chain. See, this is what I don't get. What drives TB to actually respond to people on TL, especially like that? This guy just isn't mature enough to handle his position, imo.
Gentso
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2218 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 14:28:05
August 16 2013 14:27 GMT
#586
Edit; wrong thread
KaneZ
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany202 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 14:35:44
August 16 2013 14:35 GMT
#587
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.


Uhm....where I come from, you don't have to be afraid of legal actions, if you did not break the law.

On the other hand, if you are afraid of legal actions, you have usualy broken the law and that really is not cool, because law is there for a reason.

But aslong as she's your wife, she can do whatever she wants to do I guess.
† Stephano †
tadL
Profile Joined September 2010
Croatia679 Posts
August 16 2013 14:39 GMT
#588
Sad to hear that Gena has health problems. If she still lives in USA I feel terrible for her. I would serious feel death frightened if i am not a billionaire and would have to live in this health system. Hope she lives in UK with TB
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 16 2013 14:40 GMT
#589
On August 16 2013 23:35 KaneZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.


Uhm....where I come from, you don't have to be afraid of legal actions, if you did not break the law.

On the other hand, if you are afraid of legal actions, you have usualy broken the law and that really is not cool, because law is there for a reason.

But aslong as she's your wife, she can do whatever she wants to do I guess.

He isn’t talking about criminal law, he is talking about civil litigation. Civil litigation has very little to do with “breaking laws”.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
dve82
Profile Joined September 2011
Austria17 Posts
August 16 2013 14:42 GMT
#590
a wise man once said:

you see the quality of a human being in his will to apologize.

...
sadly most clever people nowadays know, that winning an argument/politics is not about being right or wrong. it's just about expressing your opinion the "right" or loudest way. and dodging everyone elses.

this is the way to win the much less clever masses.

very proud people also tend to see apologizing as a weakness, so they rather consider one of the other two options: throw more shit to cover, if possible, the whole surface. or dodge/deny even more.
graphical environment is just a help for those without fantasy.
Nimelrian
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany142 Posts
August 16 2013 14:42 GMT
#591
On August 16 2013 23:39 tadL wrote:
Sad to hear that Gena has health problems. If she still lives in USA I feel terrible for her. I would serious feel death frightened if i am not a billionaire and would have to live in this health system. Hope she lives in UK with TB


TB is still in the US, not sure about Genna, but I guess she's as well.
melodydoll
Profile Joined August 2013
Japan1 Post
August 16 2013 14:47 GMT
#592
i am glad shes gone, i never liked her and the way TB is handeling this whole thing shows that the team is better off without them
arie3000
Profile Joined October 2011
153 Posts
August 16 2013 14:48 GMT
#593
On August 16 2013 23:40 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 23:35 KaneZ wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.


Uhm....where I come from, you don't have to be afraid of legal actions, if you did not break the law.

On the other hand, if you are afraid of legal actions, you have usualy broken the law and that really is not cool, because law is there for a reason.

But aslong as she's your wife, she can do whatever she wants to do I guess.

He isn’t talking about criminal law, he is talking about civil litigation. Civil litigation has very little to do with “breaking laws”.

Is has everything to with breaking the law! If party A broke the law and party B has injury because of that, party B will sue party A. Maybe it is not criminal law, but the issue here is most definitely 'breaking the law'. Read what Take wrote - it was clear that he was sure that the law was broken.
Grndr101
Profile Joined March 2011
Belgium125 Posts
August 16 2013 14:55 GMT
#594
C'mon be real, this isn't about Take, Genna or TB. It's about the SC2 eSports scene being run badly. Meanwhile Riot and Valve just laugh and watch MLP.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
August 16 2013 14:56 GMT
#595
Really rough to see, I guess I didn't realize the amount of crap that goes on, but in retrospect it's pretty obvious given the amount that spills over into public.

If TB is managing now on top of it, gad, he's busy as all hell as it is...
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 16 2013 14:57 GMT
#596
On August 16 2013 23:48 arie3000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 23:40 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:35 KaneZ wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.


Uhm....where I come from, you don't have to be afraid of legal actions, if you did not break the law.

On the other hand, if you are afraid of legal actions, you have usualy broken the law and that really is not cool, because law is there for a reason.

But aslong as she's your wife, she can do whatever she wants to do I guess.

He isn’t talking about criminal law, he is talking about civil litigation. Civil litigation has very little to do with “breaking laws”.

Is has everything to with breaking the law! If party A broke the law and party B has injury because of that, party B will sue party A. Maybe it is not criminal law, but the issue here is most definitely 'breaking the law'. Read what Take wrote - it was clear that he was sure that the law was broken.


Law breaking isn’t directly related to civil litigation most of the time. It is not illegal to break a contract and people do it all the time. The other side can seek damages and we have rules in place as to what constitutes a valid contract. When you evict someone, there are laws that dictated the valid causes for an eviction and so for, but the tenant does not “break the law” by not paying rent.

Law is not a math problem that has a solution. You can’t say “Person did X, which broke law A, and therefore I should get $2000 because of Law C”. Its not that simple. Also, even if they did break the contract, good luke to Take bringing a legal action against them, since they are a company based in the US
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
buntuka
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany40 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-16 15:15:10
August 16 2013 15:00 GMT
#597
On August 16 2013 23:48 arie3000 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 23:40 Plansix wrote:
On August 16 2013 23:35 KaneZ wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.


Uhm....where I come from, you don't have to be afraid of legal actions, if you did not break the law.

On the other hand, if you are afraid of legal actions, you have usualy broken the law and that really is not cool, because law is there for a reason.

But aslong as she's your wife, she can do whatever she wants to do I guess.

He isn’t talking about criminal law, he is talking about civil litigation. Civil litigation has very little to do with “breaking laws”.

Is has everything to with breaking the law! If party A broke the law and party B has injury because of that, party B will sue party A. Maybe it is not criminal law, but the issue here is most definitely 'breaking the law'. Read what Take wrote - it was clear that he was sure that the law was broken.



Edit: that's the TB quote I actually ment:

On August 16 2013 23:21 The_Unseen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 13:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:15 geokilla wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On August 16 2013 13:10 Bagi wrote:
Feels like overreaction. The childish "fuck Take"-stuff isn't helping anyone either.


Yeah man we should totally just hug it out after he threatened my wife and the team with legal action.

Is this the first time you got threatened with legal action? My mom deals with that daily at her work with clients. Grow up. I got threatened with legal action and racism a couple days ago. You know what I did? I played it cool, stayed calm, and finished my transaction with the buyer.


News just in, eSports is not the same as working at a supermarket.


you're so fucking condescending, losing all respect for you along with so many others



Guys, come on, calm down your discussion here is completely dispensable. There was no threat of sueing anybody from Take. Its just a line in an angry and emotional skype conversation between Take and Gemma, saying something along the lines "I wish you'd get sued for that". Thats obviously not a nice thing to say, and he later put up a public excuse, but it miles away from any REAL law case. Its just a statement of anger. It's like you belive TB tries make a sexual offer towards Take when he's barking "Fuck TAke!" all over the forums. It's shows a gross lack of reading competence.

Well, and TB's behaviour, I mean its just disgusting, really. I don't even wanna go into who acted more professional, and who didnt, but acting like in those quotes above is incredibly childish, self-righteous and narcissistic. Yes I understand, beeing cynical and funny is what you earn your money with TB, but this behaviour is just sad. Too me it looks your just pooring some strange self-hatred all over everybody else. Well everybody has his way to deal with stuff, right?
I feel ashamed for you.

viva la vida
Chon231
Profile Joined November 2012
United States35 Posts
August 16 2013 15:00 GMT
#598
I am truly disappointed that TB and Genna are acting like two high school children. TB is trying to "defend" Genna? Maybe she shouldn't have done what she did. She made her bed, let her sleep in it. A terrible attitude from both of you and shitty business practices by posting conversations with a BUSINESS PARTNER. I am all for "lifting the veil" of eSports but not like this... I want some clarity on which organizations are not paying winners and what teams are doing shady shit like KespA with Flash. But this is just fucking sad. Dennis had every right to not only be pissed about you posting it but should be pissed about your unprofessional conduct leading up to this point. You two need to step back, look at the situation, and grow up.

Also, I know TB is going to eventually come out and make some sort of public statement where he uses big words and mild intellect to sound smart but remember he is acting like a damn child and is burning bridges he should have never touched.

Meh, rant over go TL!
More GG, More Skill.
xN.07)MaK
Profile Joined January 2006
Spain1159 Posts
August 16 2013 15:05 GMT
#599
This is what I learnt from this:

- Some teams get more money than others from the organization of some events, independently of performance
- Some tournaments hold offline events and teams have to fund the travel expenses I always thought this was something you take for granted, offline event = organization pays. At least for TEAM events.
- Everyone involved started this being nice and polite, but they ended up being rude and over dramatic.
El micro es el último recurso que les queda a los que no producen lo suficiente
Fiasko
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany244 Posts
August 16 2013 15:08 GMT
#600
Hey TB. Stop being an attention-whore and Drama Queen. Eat a Snickers and shup the fuck up! Peace and long Hairs!
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