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Thoughts (mostly ramblings) on "esports"

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Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5357 Posts
June 27 2013 07:28 GMT
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Again, this is mainly just a rambling of mine, largely incoherent, really badly phrased because I really don't want to proofread. I understand that different people will have different opinions about esports and will have varying degrees of passion for it, this is just my opinion.


The more I think about this whole "esports" business, the happier I get that I don't give a damn about it :D.

That's not to say that I don't enjoy playing SC2, or watching really good players play the game. Like thousands of others, I've watched a lot of GSL/WCS/MLG/IPL/NASL/DH/IEM, posted a lot in LRs, and spent plenty of time watching live streams or replays of pro players. I've laddered, monobattled, BMed because of stupid losses, balance whined, dicked around in custom games, did the whole "lemme troll bronze players on a second account" thing, the works. I do consider myself a fan of SC2, I love the game for its competitive edge, and I enjoy improving at the game.

But when people start talking about "esports'? I yawn and roll my eyes. When other forum posters talk about contributing to esports, setting up clubs or websites to make esports grow, or use phrases like "_____ is hurting esports", "_______ will improve esports", I just zone out. So repetitive, so pointless.

I'm not interested in the direction SC2 goes in the future. At best, I'm indifferent, because if it does become super popular, great! I guess there'll be more players to talk to? If SC2 dies, oh well because I had a happy life before BW, I lived fine when I took a year and a half off from WoL, and I'll be fine after HotS or LotV. Like most other people, SC2 is only a part of my life.

I enjoy the competitive nature of SC2. I love the tournaments, and above all else I love the fun, but if you're asking me to consider "the bigger picture" and work at getting GSL players trending on twitter, or buying merchandise, or setting up school clubs for SC2, or trying to increase viewer count, or in other ways promoting esports, then sorry, not interested . It's not that I disapprove of esports or anything, I just don't care about it.

And if the death of esports in turn kills off the competitive SC2 scene? Ehhh oh well, it's funner when you're playing with your friends anyways :D.

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AKnopf
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany259 Posts
June 27 2013 10:19 GMT
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Ohh, whatson, you're hurting esports here!

Jokes aside, you have a point here. For almost everyone, Starcraft is (or should) be a game, apart from actual pro gamers that earn money for playing the game. The main purpose if a game is to have fun with it. Improving is fun. Competition is fun. But I have a feeling most "competitive" amateurs* forget about the fun part when playing and are getting frustrated because the play for the wrong reasons.


* I use the term "amateur" here for anyone who does not make a living out of playing Starcraft.

Actually, I am a long-term contributor to "esports" myself. I was forum admin for a germany fansite for several yaers and wrote news, translated interviews etc. After hat experience, my firm believe is: Dont take esports too seriously. Just have fun with your esports and be positive about it. Then it will grow fast enough all by itself. Is not necessary to force esports growing.
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Facultyadjutant
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Sweden1876 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 12:15:49
June 27 2013 12:14 GMT
#3
You word your case well, but I completely disagree

I love esports and most of all want esports to break 'that' barrier so it can finally reach out to the large mainstream as enjoyment to be taken part of. Especially global, I am very lucky living in sweden and I know so many that wish they lived close to something esport.

So I am very much for esport as in a global idea, I genuinely believe that it brings joy to people and therefor would love to see it expand and grow.
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E.L.V.I.S
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium458 Posts
June 27 2013 12:34 GMT
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For businessmen, supporting esport is sending money to businessmen through esport
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