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On April 20 2013 01:06 spinesheath wrote:
It's been a while ago, yet quite a while after it was released. But that actually doesn't matter because I like playing old games. I really don't care how advanced the graphics are or how good the sound quality is. But even 20 years ago people knew how to tell an interesting story, how to create a consistent, good design and how to create a fun combat system regardless of technological limitations. Look at Chrono Trigger, the combat system is similar to the one in FF7, but you don't have to read a page of a book each time you're waiting until you can do something again. And CT is older than FF7 by 2 years or so. You can tell a story without having hour long cutscene/dialog sequences where the player can do nothing at all.
To be honest, FF7 could be a good game in the later parts and I wouldn't know. But that would just make it even more inconsistent, just like the graphics.
Not too long ago I played Tales of Destiny, released around the same time as FF7 and it certainly was a lot more fun than FF7 despite being rather disappointing for a Tales game. Currently I'm learning Japanese to be able to play Tales of Eternia (I immediately stopped when I heard the first word of the English dub, so awful), among other things.
Change the combat options to "active" and "fastest" and combat speeds up dramatically. How far did you get in FF7. disc 1 is solely about setting the atmosphere, things pick up in disc 2 to a pretty frantic pace.
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On April 20 2013 05:05 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 01:06 spinesheath wrote:
It's been a while ago, yet quite a while after it was released. But that actually doesn't matter because I like playing old games. I really don't care how advanced the graphics are or how good the sound quality is. But even 20 years ago people knew how to tell an interesting story, how to create a consistent, good design and how to create a fun combat system regardless of technological limitations. Look at Chrono Trigger, the combat system is similar to the one in FF7, but you don't have to read a page of a book each time you're waiting until you can do something again. And CT is older than FF7 by 2 years or so. You can tell a story without having hour long cutscene/dialog sequences where the player can do nothing at all.
To be honest, FF7 could be a good game in the later parts and I wouldn't know. But that would just make it even more inconsistent, just like the graphics.
Not too long ago I played Tales of Destiny, released around the same time as FF7 and it certainly was a lot more fun than FF7 despite being rather disappointing for a Tales game. Currently I'm learning Japanese to be able to play Tales of Eternia (I immediately stopped when I heard the first word of the English dub, so awful), among other things. Change the combat options to "active" and "fastest" and combat speeds up dramatically. How far did you get in FF7. disc 1 is solely about setting the atmosphere, things pick up in disc 2 to a pretty frantic pace.
I doubt I got even close to half of Disc 1. And I really don't care how good the later part is if the start is torture.
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On April 20 2013 05:08 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 05:05 PrinceXizor wrote:On April 20 2013 01:06 spinesheath wrote:
It's been a while ago, yet quite a while after it was released. But that actually doesn't matter because I like playing old games. I really don't care how advanced the graphics are or how good the sound quality is. But even 20 years ago people knew how to tell an interesting story, how to create a consistent, good design and how to create a fun combat system regardless of technological limitations. Look at Chrono Trigger, the combat system is similar to the one in FF7, but you don't have to read a page of a book each time you're waiting until you can do something again. And CT is older than FF7 by 2 years or so. You can tell a story without having hour long cutscene/dialog sequences where the player can do nothing at all.
To be honest, FF7 could be a good game in the later parts and I wouldn't know. But that would just make it even more inconsistent, just like the graphics.
Not too long ago I played Tales of Destiny, released around the same time as FF7 and it certainly was a lot more fun than FF7 despite being rather disappointing for a Tales game. Currently I'm learning Japanese to be able to play Tales of Eternia (I immediately stopped when I heard the first word of the English dub, so awful), among other things. Change the combat options to "active" and "fastest" and combat speeds up dramatically. How far did you get in FF7. disc 1 is solely about setting the atmosphere, things pick up in disc 2 to a pretty frantic pace. I doubt I got even close to half of Disc 1. And I really don't care how good the later part is if the start is torture.
Torture? Oh come on lol. If you really don't enjoy it, fine, but you are making it sounds like the first few hours of FF7 involves you being tied down to a table, beaten, and flogged. Exactly how far in the story did you get?
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can't have an FF debate without a little hyperbole 
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Like I would still know that, it's been a while. I did finish a bunch of dungeons etc though. Left that city, I guess, and then some. I think I spent around 10-15 hours on it.
Sure, torture might not be the best word, but since I actually did nearly fall asleep in the middle of the day, it wouldn't have been much fun to keep playing. I really wanted to give it a try because people were saying it's so great, otherwise I wouldn't even have lasted that long...
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That's funny, because I thought the first disc of FFVII was great while the rest of the game was garbage.
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On April 20 2013 05:57 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2013 05:08 spinesheath wrote:On April 20 2013 05:05 PrinceXizor wrote:On April 20 2013 01:06 spinesheath wrote:
It's been a while ago, yet quite a while after it was released. But that actually doesn't matter because I like playing old games. I really don't care how advanced the graphics are or how good the sound quality is. But even 20 years ago people knew how to tell an interesting story, how to create a consistent, good design and how to create a fun combat system regardless of technological limitations. Look at Chrono Trigger, the combat system is similar to the one in FF7, but you don't have to read a page of a book each time you're waiting until you can do something again. And CT is older than FF7 by 2 years or so. You can tell a story without having hour long cutscene/dialog sequences where the player can do nothing at all.
To be honest, FF7 could be a good game in the later parts and I wouldn't know. But that would just make it even more inconsistent, just like the graphics.
Not too long ago I played Tales of Destiny, released around the same time as FF7 and it certainly was a lot more fun than FF7 despite being rather disappointing for a Tales game. Currently I'm learning Japanese to be able to play Tales of Eternia (I immediately stopped when I heard the first word of the English dub, so awful), among other things. Change the combat options to "active" and "fastest" and combat speeds up dramatically. How far did you get in FF7. disc 1 is solely about setting the atmosphere, things pick up in disc 2 to a pretty frantic pace. I doubt I got even close to half of Disc 1. And I really don't care how good the later part is if the start is torture. Torture? Oh come on lol. If you really don't enjoy it, fine, but you are making it sounds like the first few hours of FF7 involves you being tied down to a table, beaten, and flogged. Exactly how far in the story did you get?
He probably escaped midgar and made it to kalm and then never advanced past cloud's retelling of his past. that is the slowest part of the game (kalm) but i mean its in the name.
how he felt that midgar was boring i dunno. i just think wall market kinda sucks when you don't know where to go.
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Yeah I could totally understand getting frustrated in wall market. Or, if you were bad at this type of game, I could understand getting frustrated with the consecutive boss fights to escape Midgar.
Man I want to play FF7 now... for like the 10th time. <3 Materia
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On April 20 2013 10:30 micronesia wrote:
Yeah I could totally understand getting frustrated in wall market. Or, if you were bad at this type of game, I could understand getting frustrated with the consecutive boss fights to escape Midgar.
Man I want to play FF7 now... for like the 10th time. <3 Materia
I screwed up the last time i played through and ended up taking all of clouds materia off of him at the top of the shinra building.. oooh boy that was rough.
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On April 20 2013 10:30 micronesia wrote:
Yeah I could totally understand getting frustrated in wall market. Or, if you were bad at this type of game, I could understand getting frustrated with the consecutive boss fights to escape Midgar.
Man I want to play FF7 now... for like the 10th time. <3 Materia
Bad at JRPGs? Unlikely. I probably have a combined 5000+ hours of JRPG playtime. Tales Series, CT, Bahamut Lagoon, Lufia Series, Secret of Mana, Seikendensetsu 3, Terranigma...
Interestingly I don't even remember having multiple consecutive boss fights. But I probably stopped at the point Xizor was talking about.
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Your FFVIII review isn't there anymore, it's all been edited out 
Do FFIX next! That's always been my favorite, and coincidentally, the highest rated by critics.
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Do people really think X had a better storyline than VIII? Maybe it's just because VII, VIII, and IX were so amazing (IMO), but I was really underwhelmed by X. Oh and God don't even get me started on XIII... I hated that game with a passion.
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Just read this because it was linked to your newest FF review. This is fantastic 
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Hey, thanks for browsing. Glad you enjoyed it.
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