• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:36
CEST 15:36
KST 22:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20257Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202577RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18
Community News
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced24BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed19Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll8
StarCraft 2
General
Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time I offer completely free coaching services What tournaments are world championships?
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025 WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava
Brood War
General
Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign Dewalt's Show Matches in China BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting Does 1 second matter in StarCraft?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 709 users

Any statisticians or Math majors on TL? - Page 2

Blogs > Scorpion77
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 All
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
March 28 2013 06:20 GMT
#21
On March 28 2013 14:52 Muirhead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 13:12 BirdKiller wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:51 babylon wrote:
^ Landing a tenure-track job as a professor is tough in any field nowadays, STEM or otherwise. Of course, it's particularly bleak for humanities majors (e.g. if you're not in a top 10 program, you're probably screwed + there's less you can do with a humanities PhD compared to a STEM PhD in terms of work outside of academia). It's less rough on STEM majors in that you still have hope if you're not attending a Top 10 program, but I really wouldn't get my hopes up.


This. The road to getting a tenure-track professor position is extremely competitive and limited to begin with for any majors. It's a bit easier in mathematics as fewer people pursue it compared to students in humanities/social science although it's counterbalanced by most university's math department being relatively small.

I would say only pursue a Ph.D in mathematics if and only if you absolutely are passionate and love mathematics itself such that you're willing to live cheap/dirt poor, stay up and stay in for long nights and weekends, and go through several premature mid-life crises.


I don't like this advice. It is putting too much pressure on people to insinuate that they must always be passionate about mathematics. A person's desire to do mathematics can wax and wane over time and they can still be successful. As long as you have enough talent and motivation during the times you feel like doing mathematics, I feel it is important not to feel guilty during the times you are not doing mathematics.

In my opinion, it's all about understanding the costs vs. the benefits. If, in the face of knowing about the bleak job market, you are still willing to sacrifice the time and (potential) money earned, and you are not going into debt(!!!), then it's your decision! Just be aware of the horrendous chances.

I certainly can't mouth off at you anyways. Would be hypocritical. My subfield has just a handful of job postings a year. (Literally. There are currently four job ads up, and this is a really good year.)
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
March 28 2013 09:36 GMT
#22
I did maths

I'm working in an industry that supposedly is for mathematicians and smart physicists and the like

At no point have i needed any of that. All i needed was some common sense and maybe some psychology *shrug*


Maths was cool to study, i wouldn't have done anything else tbh

If you're actually looking for a job, then you better start studying heavy numerical analysis and numerical modelling followed by a lot of python.
Someone with a PHD in numerical modelling with a maths background, good python skills, a CFA and yeah, i could get you a job as a quant somewhere if you are smart enough to do all those things and still want to work your ass off lol

3Form
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom389 Posts
March 28 2013 10:46 GMT
#23
On March 27 2013 23:36 BoonSolo wrote:
Heres my 2cents,

I live in the UK for what its worth although I cant imagine it makes worlds of difference.

I always loved maths in school, my A-Levels (16-18) I did maths, further maths, physics and biology and got AAAB respectively. I went to a good university (around 10th in the country I believe). Despite being good at maths and enjoying the work I had done so far, the hardest topic we learnt was probably fairly advanced Calculus, although no multi-variable stuff.

When I got to university my first year went swimmingly although 90% of the topics covered were not anything like I had studied in school. Group theory, Number theory, Linear Algebra and proofs in general were completely new to me and probably due t my own laziness I had no idea this is what would be taught.

I would make sure you look into the topics that the course will offer and make sure that it will interest you. I wish someone had given me this advice because by the time I was 50% through my course I had lost all passion for it and really just scraped through on being good at the basics. If I could do it over I would take economics, finance or something numerical that was easier and more practical.

I currently work for a relatively small investment management firm dealing mostly with fund structuring and fund management. I’ve passed the IMC (Investment Management Certificate, UK exam only) and I am studying for the CFA (Chartered Financial Analyst) which is basically an MBA in finance. I enjoy this study much more as I can see uses for the maths that I am learning instead of everything, and I mean EVERYTHING being totally theoretical in my degree.

In terms of employability, I couldn’t apply for high profile banking jobs straight out of uni because I didn’t get a 2:1 (60% on course), however even the best jobs advertised: required 2:1 in any numerical field. I believe if I had studied economics or finance I would have gotten a better grade due to increased interest and the course being easier.

So sure if you believe you have the passion and the drive to enjoy it and get a strong grade you are probably in a good position for employability as a mathematics degree is very highly regarded (even for me with my relatively low grade) however in my opinion I believe a 1st in economics and a 1st in Maths are not that dissimilar in terms of employability, I think all that matters is getting the interview, your degree isnt going to matter so much once your in there, its just the way to get in.


Seems you had a similar experience to me. I waltzed through school and A levels, but university maths was a different kettle of fish. I was used to the "solve this do this" stuff at school, but at university it became a lot more abstract and really there wasn't a whole lot of "do this solve this", let alone using a calculator. I swear when I say maths to people they say "Oh you could become an accountant", to which I reply that really there isn't any Maths in accounting - the only exams I'd say a calculator was vital were the statistics modules.

However, I lost my pa during the course which probably didn't help, and after taking a couple of years longer than I should have (I resat second year and took a year break) I did manage to complete with a 2:2. Final year I did some modules that were really interesting. Graph Theory and Combinatorics actually taught me what Maths is really about, the abstractness of it and the lateral thinking that is needed to solve problems. After these modules I was actually doing proofs myself, rather than just trying to memorise them for exams like in first year. I also did a Cosmology module that was very interesting.

So with hindsight I wouldn't do Maths at age 19 like I did, I'd wait until now (I'm 25) so as to be a bit maturer and appreciative of it. I'd still do it, because it's fascinating, I'm a little gutted I couldn't make the most of it. Of course that's easy to say, likely that the whole experience was a maturing one. But OP you seem to be acting mature about this. Just honestly ONLY do Maths if you are sure you'll enjoy it, that's the only advice I can really give.
Prev 1 2 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
FEL
09:00
Cracow 2025
Clem vs Krystianer
uThermal vs SKillousLIVE!
Reynor vs MaNa
Lambo vs Gerald
ComeBackTV 1780
RotterdaM1681
IndyStarCraft 541
WardiTV293
CranKy Ducklings208
Rex142
3DClanTV 107
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 1681
IndyStarCraft 541
Rex 142
ProTech63
BRAT_OK 63
MindelVK 20
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 50508
Horang2 7243
Hyuk 2055
EffOrt 1910
Barracks 1142
Larva 907
BeSt 745
firebathero 529
Stork 455
Hyun 326
[ Show more ]
Last 279
Soulkey 245
Rush 118
Dewaltoss 73
Shinee 70
Sharp 66
Movie 55
sorry 45
Shine 43
sas.Sziky 43
Free 42
sSak 39
zelot 27
Terrorterran 13
yabsab 13
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Dota 2
qojqva3444
Gorgc2452
XcaliburYe513
420jenkins43
League of Legends
febbydoto13
Counter-Strike
sgares367
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor410
Other Games
B2W.Neo1972
Beastyqt1061
Hui .366
DeMusliM249
Fuzer 175
oskar175
QueenE52
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH331
• HeavenSC 15
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3682
• WagamamaTV868
League of Legends
• Nemesis2799
• Jankos1239
Upcoming Events
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
24m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
4h 24m
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 20h
WardiTV European League
2 days
Online Event
2 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
BSL 20 Team Wars
FEL Cracov 2025
CC Div. A S7
Underdog Cup #2
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.