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RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 04:08:04
March 21 2013 02:39 GMT
#1
Current Team (14pts)

Main Team (37.68 trade value)
4->3.88 (P)Alicia
3.88 (T)Mvp
6->5.60 (P)Creator
7->6.00 (T)GuMiho (captain)
4->4.79 (T)Heart
4->4.34 (T)KeeN
3->3.48 (Z)Lucky
1->0.86 (Z)SSanaEE
5->4.29 (T)SuperNova

2->4.44 PRIME

Anti Team (11.14 trade value)
2->1.71 (T)SalvatioN
3->2.57 (Z)SortOf
8->6.86 (Z)Symbol

Draft Strategy
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There's a huge risk when switching to HotS that some of the old stars could fall hard. Life is definitely "the man" in HotS and the closest to a sure thing out there, but he's just too expensive for me. Instead, I'm hedging the risk and went with a more balanced team.

There are a lot of viable 4-point players, but it gets a lot rougher at 3-points. Once you hit 2-pointers and 1-pointers, you're mostly looking at guys who won't ever see playing time. At that point, you might as well just grab a 1-pointer on a great team and rack up the +1s every other week. Unfortunately, the lack of any 1-pointers on LG-IM put an end to that strategy. A Life-led Startale is also scary and has an ample amount of 1-point players if you'd like to go that way, but I ended up going a slightly different path while still utilizing a 1-point player. Taking a single 1-point player allowed me to keep the rest of the team strong without really splurging into 3-4 expensive stars. I think it's more beneficial to get value out of the entire team rather than rely on 3-4 stars.

For captain, I either wanted to go really cheap (probably a 1-pointer from Startale) or someone that's nearly a sure thing. I went for the big captain and saved a couple points from Life by going with Gumiho instead. Gumiho is a well known multi-dropper on a small team that is highly dedicated to GSTL. He'll be sent out every time FXO plays and has the potential to all-kill any team. He might be the next closest to a sure thing in GSTL this season.

Creator became a very attractive option because he's on a small team that's terran heavy. He's THE GUY when it comes to non-terrans on Prime. He should be expected to play often and can rack up some good points against any opponent. I liked Byun and Maru at 5 points each, but they're too likely to split time along with MKP (who is overpriced) and I just barely had to avoid all three. Byun would have been my top pick if I did want to dive into Prime Terrans.

My final large purchase was Supernova at 5 points. I'd put him about on par with Byun/Maru, but he gets the nod for my team because he is the clear favorite terran on Azubu. Azubu sent him out every round in the preseason so playing time should not be an issue for him. Plus he's on a stronger team overall which will give him bonus points more often.

For team pick, Prime seemed like the real value. It's hard to believe that MKP, Creator, Byun, and Maru will ever get all-killed. Yet, any of the above could get an all-kill. It's a small team, but you only need 4 solid players to win GSTL. They shouldn't be the top team in GSTL, but they're half the price of comparable teams and a steal in value.

Keen is the #1 terran on MVP and has always gotten decent playing time in GSTL while pretty consistently getting a win or two. No reason for that to end in HotS and he seems like a bargain at 4 points. He's also the opening day starter for MVP this season which increases his value.

Alicia is the #1 Protoss on Axiom and already has the starting nod for week 1. I expect a decent amount of playing time for him while Crank settles much more into a managerial role like Choya, but without the bravado to send himself out. I don't expect Alicia to beast it up, but he should be good for a couple points every other week and that's all you can ask of a 4-point guy.

Heart is a lot more risky. He's the third terran on Axiom, which could severely limit his play-time. However, he was the one Korean on Complexity that didn't fall off the map. He seems to have better internal motivation than others and now that he's back with a solid team, his potential could explode. Plus, he's cheesy a sniper who will likely be sent in to take guys out. So I see a very good upside, but a bigger risk on him than most of my other picks. He also got playing time in Axiom's one preseason matchup which is a good sign.

Lucky is the #2 or #3 zerg on FXO, yet he's always seemed to get decent playing time. He gets the roster spot for me because he got the starting spot for FXO. It seems that they trust him enough to open their season right and that's a real value for only 3 points. If he hadn't gotten the starting spot from FXO, I would have gone with Miya who is the best Z on Axiom unless Scarlett's time is really well spent in the team house. Depending on week one results, a quick swap to Miya may be eminent.

My final spot went to SSanaEE. Yeah, he's a 1 pointer. Yeah, he's on a bad team. However, he did get a chance in the preseason and won a game against Swagger (Killer). The NSHS roster is bad enough that SSanaEE may continue to get opportunities which is better than almost any other 1 point player can say. Yet, jjakji can still go off and grab his team an occasional win for a bonus point. If he fails to get opportunities in the regular season, I can always dump him for a Startale bench warmer, but I think the gamble is worth it.

For my anti-team, I've decided to take a huge risk on Symbol. Azubu already has Violet for Z as well as BboongBboong which will cut into Symbol's play time severely. I also don't know how well Symbol will adjust without having TSL's training environment while switching to new strategies. He never seemed to be top notch at the lightning fast ZvZ games and the pace of the game in HotS has gotten faster. I'm counting on him being one of the guys who just doesn't adjust right to HotS while he'll be limited due to his team. He's still good enough that I wouldn't normally want to take him on an anti-team, but taking him at 8 points opened up the opportunity to take two players who could easily get 0s almost every week.

Why would someone take Nestea at 3 points when they can take SortOf? Nestea may not play, but he'll still rack up +1s for team wins and is a threat if he does play. Will SortOf play? If so, will a foreigner actually win in GSTL? He might be good for a foreigner, but there's no way he's worth 3 points compared to his GSTL peers and NSHS will rarely get the wins for the free +1s. He seemed like a very obvious pick to me and the only reason not to take him is if you go for a 4-4-5 balanced cost anti-team.

Salvation seems very similar to SortOf. He's on a weak team that will lose often and he didn't play in two preseason matches. When your team would rather take a chance on SSanaEE, Tible, and Madbull, you know something is wrong. Salvation looks to be a non-factor unless they're secretly holding him back for the real season.

Final Notes:
I avoided IM for my team and my anti-team. The team is too good and will clearly get a lot of wins which makes all of their players poor candidates for the anti-team. Yet, they have 10 guys worth at least 4 points. How does any one of them get real playing time? In general, I'm against taking IM players this season despite them being the best team. I also think you can get better value than the 5 point LG-IM team even though they will probably be the best team.

Team trade value: 36
Anti-team trade value: 13


Week 1 Recap (8 points)
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CHOYA NOOOOOOOO!

Starting off your season with a loss and not even giving Gumiho (one of your two stars) a shot seems like a bad idea. Okay, so it's not as bad as skipping Oz in the Bo9 playoffs with your team's life at stake, but I think this one is pretty close. I'm still a Choya fanboy, but this week's event is too reminiscent and my faith is getting shaken. Really, playing three zergs when many are calling zerg underpowered? Grrrr.

I understand having race specific snipers and I think it's a good strategy overall. I'm sure Hurricane was your top Terran sniper and JKS was your top Protoss sniper leaving Gumiho as the Zerg sniper and Leenock as the final boss, but you can't paint one of your two stars into a corner like that. If you're going to go the sniper route, then Gumiho needs to lead off instead of Lucky and let Lucky (or someone else) snipe terran. Lucky is just not as good of an overall player as Gumiho so you need to give him the opportunity to get multiple kills.

It's just one loss in a long season, so I don't want to overreact. However, from a fantasy standpoint, the lack of Gumiho playtime is by far the biggest concern. He was supposed to be the sure thing on my team and I can't trade him even if I want to. I just hope the week one loss makes Choya rethink his strategy and gets Gumiho into the mix every time FXO plays.

The rest of the fantasy team did essentially what they should have done. Heart came in and sniped a game + got a team win for three points. Keen and Lucky both led off with a victory. Either Alicia or Keen had to get the point and this time around it went to Keen, but I will say that Alicia's play was a little suspect. He did get the playtime and the team win to keep him relevant, but he's very tempting to trade before his value drops too far. I'll give him another outing to prove himself. If he's still looking weak, then I'll see if I can catch a rising star.

Overall, I still have a lot of players to play this week so I don't want to panic yet and I won't bail out on players so soon.

Having said that, there are a few players on the rise:
Squirtle had the biggest day of anyone. I still think he's a rough pickup because we have no idea when he'll get playing time next. Who's to say that LG-IM doesn't play First, Seed, MC, or YongHwa next match instead of Squirtle? If I'm a Squirtle owner, I'm seriously thinking about selling him when he's high. Then again, I wasn't too high on Squirtle to begin with.

MMA is back. He's also on a small team that had no problem playing him as the 3rd terran on the day. It's already tough to trade for MMA (I cannot), but if you're considering bailing out of your big gun, MMA is a good place to put your money.

Hurricane (Tear) got his snipe win and will likely continue to be a regular for FXO. MC owners may want to avoid that IM bottleneck and trade down to Hurricane.

Tails is another guy to look out for. I think he'll have to share a little too much time with Finale, Swagger, Lure, and Super (Vampire), but if you want to bet on him being the clear favorite in GSTL, now's the time to pull that trigger.

A few players who are falling:
Gumiho, noted.

DongRaeGu and Leenock. Both got opportunities as aces so that's a good sign. Both failed in an era where Zerg are no longer considered overpowered. Both of these aces rose in prominence before the patch zerg cries, but they're still not immune to some fall-off from the Zerg highs. Neither one of them is Life and it showed in their performances. They'll still be respectable, but if you're an owner, you may want to pick them up after their value drops a little further.

Team trade value: 36.49
Anti-team trade value: 13


Week 2 Recap (7 points - 1 trade)
With only Creator, SSanaEE, SuperNova, and PRIME team having the opportunity to play (along with my entire Anti-team), I knew I was in trouble for the week. Still, the PRIME team salvaged what would have otherwise been a terrible week. Huge shout out to ByuN for demolishing what should be a pretty good team in Azubu. When I originally put together my team, I had ByuN as a part of it rather than SuperNova. I saw SuperNova as the terran ace of AZUBU while ByuN was just one of three star terrans in PRIME and I thought he might lose out on too much playing time so went with SuperNova instead.

My bad. If I would have owned ByuN, I could now trade him for ANY player in the game, Life included. Getting playing time is important, but I think I overestimated playing time and underestimated pure playing ability. If they can't win, it doesn't matter if they will play. I'll have to correct for that mistake in the future.

I also made the mistake of assuming a non-playing member of Startale would be available for 1 point in trades, but didn't fully understand how the trade system works. SSanaEE is now sitting at a trade value of 5.14 while the Startale scrubs are all at 7.87 due to their team win point. Another poor mistake which could cost me if SSanaEE doesn't pick up some wins. He did play a pretty good game against Sound, but Sound isn't exactly the cream of the crop either. Now that he's down to 5.14 trade value, there isn't much I can do with him. The next best playing option at that level seems to be madbull. Luckily, there still is Eve (AZUBU), Bang (MVP) and Hell/Acou/Supreme (FXO) for some team wins at this point. I'm guaranteed that either MVP or FXO will lose in this two week period so at least one of those players will be available if SSanaEE fails again, so I'll give him one more chance to prove himself and trade him if he fails.

Creator lost the opportunity to play due to Byun, but from his Code S appearance, he looks to be a low Code S level player with some issues with Terran. He should still be pretty solid (though not spectacular) in team league as long as his teammates quit all-killing.

PRIME (ByuN) looked great while AZUBU did not. It was certainly scary holding Symbol on my anti-team when he came out as the Ace for AZUBU. If they trust him to be the ace, that makes him feel like a ticking time-bomb on my anti-team waiting to destroy me at any moment. However, his loss may convince the AZUBU coaches to give Violet more opportunity as the zerg representative. I'll hold for now. It's not like there's any great candidate to trade for him anyways.

My other anti-team players did almost exactly as planned. Salvation getting playing time was a bit of a disappointment for me, but he didn't look too frightening in his opportunity.

A Look Ahead
The PRIME team will be kept until at least after week 6. Prime has a tough match in week 4 against Startale, but then gets NSHS in week 6 which could easily be another all-kill. After that point, I might look to trade them, but I'll certainly hope for a big outing in week 6 first.

SSanaEE will be given another shot to make something happen before he gets the boot in favor of Eve, Bang, Hell, Acou, or Supreme.

Alicia is out. MVP is in. Alicia did not impress in week 1 and I have to take that into stronger consideration even though he's still Axiom's best protoss. He's not getting the start this week (Scarlett is), so that really devalues him. On the flip side, MVP has the start against Axiom. I think Scarlett is the real deal when it comes to foreigners who can compete in Korea, but this is MVP we're talking about. This is also current TvZ metagame we're talking about. MVP should win the first match pretty easily and I think he's very capable of an all-kill. However, I will probably look to trade his rising stock either before week 4 or 5.

On the Rise
ByuN and PRIME, noted.

Sound. Wow. Admittedly, he really didn't look that special in dismantling NSHS. However, he did still beat JJakji in a pretty straightforward way after he had already shown his special strategy against Salvation. I'm not ready to raise the value of Startale yet. They took care of business, but no longer have the easiest game on the schedule for the rest of the season.

Bomber. He passed into the Ro16 in the GSL, so we know he can play in HotS. He's still the best terran in Startale and will likely get opportunities whenever they get down to their last two players.

Gumiho, Scarlett, MVP, Dream. All starters for week 3 who didn't play during week 1 or 2. Their values all go up now that we see the coaches actually do have some confidence in these players.

Falling
JJakji. We expect poor play from the rest of NSHS, but not JJakji. At the very least, we expect him to beat Sound in a pretty normal game.

All AZUBU players. SuperNova, Vines, San, and Symbol all fell to one guy. Did the team forget to train Terran snipers for PRIME? I would hope not. While those 4 fell, owners of the other AZUBU players should be a bit worried if their players cannot play over the likes of Vines and San. Genius? Ganzi? viOLet? Getting placed below San and Vines is a scary thing.

Team trade value: 37.68
Alicia 23.28(3.88x6) -> MVP 23.28(3.88x6)
Anti-team trade value: 11.14


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Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
March 21 2013 02:49 GMT
#2
I bet my life on Life so to speak. I sacraficed so much on him, he better come through .
User was warned for too many mimes.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1068 Posts
March 21 2013 03:27 GMT
#3
On March 21 2013 11:49 docvoc wrote:
I bet my life on Life so to speak. I sacraficed so much on him, he better come through .

Yeah, Life is so tempting. He has the ability to win with substandard strategies and can also adjust on the fly better than most players. Those abilities will be so important as the metagame rapidly shifts and players throw all sorts of new timing attacks, cheeses, and macro strategies at him. He's also young enough that the injury risk is very low. He clearly has the most value in the league at this stage and is rightly placed above everyone else.

His 8-point competitors don't really stack up and despite the extra cost it's more tempting to take him than any of those three: I think Symbol is a dud waiting to happen as noted in the OP. DRG hasn't been the true "final boss" in a long time and has to contend with Monster and Sniper for playing time. I remember his awesome muta-control from earlier WoL days which he may start using again to great effect, so he could still have a lot of value and be worth it. Leenock should be okay and may be worth it because you know he'll be the final boss on FXO almost every match, but his play is not up to Life's right now.

I'd say the only worry about Life is if Startale protects him for GSL or sends him around the world playing international tournaments and he just doesn't play. However, Startale really needs him now that they've lost PartinG and Squirtle. They can't just throw out Curious, Bomber, Parting, and Squirtle anymore to protect Life. They need to add a Hack, TREME, Ace, or other. None of those are that scary until you throw Life into the mix. They need him this season and I'd expect him to play a lot.

There's also another nice point in Life's favor that I didn't really factor into my team too well. There's essentially a bonus point for winning the final match (everyone gets 1 point for appearance, but loses it when they lose, except the final winner). I'd expect Life to rack up a bunch of those bonus points while a team built like mine mostly won't. At best, I can only expect to get those ace points from Gumiho (on a multi-kill only), SuperNova, Creator, or maybe a Heart snipe to seal a series. None of those will be too common.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 04:08:48
March 29 2013 06:39 GMT
#4
Week 1 Recap (8 points)
CHOYA NOOOOOOOO!

Starting off your season with a loss and not even giving Gumiho (one of your two stars) a shot seems like a bad idea. Okay, so it's not as bad as skipping Oz in the Bo9 playoffs with your team's life at stake, but I think this one is pretty close. I'm still a Choya fanboy, but this week's event is too reminiscent and my faith is getting shaken. Really, playing three zergs when many are calling zerg underpowered? Grrrr.

I understand having race specific snipers and I think it's a good strategy overall. I'm sure Hurricane was your top Terran sniper and JKS was your top Protoss sniper leaving Gumiho as the Zerg sniper and Leenock as the final boss, but you can't paint one of your two stars into a corner like that. If you're going to go the sniper route, then Gumiho needs to lead off instead of Lucky and let Lucky (or someone else) snipe terran. Lucky is just not as good of an overall player as Gumiho so you need to give him the opportunity to get multiple kills.

It's just one loss in a long season, so I don't want to overreact. However, from a fantasy standpoint, the lack of Gumiho playtime is by far the biggest concern. He was supposed to be the sure thing on my team and I can't trade him even if I want to. I just hope the week one loss makes Choya rethink his strategy and gets Gumiho into the mix every time FXO plays.

The rest of the fantasy team did essentially what they should have done. Heart came in and sniped a game + got a team win for three points. Keen and Lucky both led off with a victory. Either Alicia or Keen had to get the point and this time around it went to Keen, but I will say that Alicia's play was a little suspect. He did get the playtime and the team win to keep him relevant, but he's very tempting to trade before his value drops too far. I'll give him another outing to prove himself. If he's still looking weak, then I'll see if I can catch a rising star.

Overall, I still have a lot of players to play this week so I don't want to panic yet and I won't bail out on players so soon.

Having said that, there are a few players on the rise:
Squirtle had the biggest day of anyone. I still think he's a rough pickup because we have no idea when he'll get playing time next. Who's to say that LG-IM doesn't play First, Seed, MC, or YongHwa next match instead of Squirtle? If I'm a Squirtle owner, I'm seriously thinking about selling him when he's high. Then again, I wasn't too high on Squirtle to begin with.

MMA is back. He's also on a small team that had no problem playing him as the 3rd terran on the day. It's already tough to trade for MMA (I cannot), but if you're considering bailing out of your big gun, MMA is a good place to put your money.

Hurricane (Tear) got his snipe win and will likely continue to be a regular for FXO. MC owners may want to avoid that IM bottleneck and trade down to Hurricane.

Tails is another guy to look out for. I think he'll have to share a little too much time with Finale, Swagger, Lure, and Super (Vampire), but if you want to bet on him being the clear favorite in GSTL, now's the time to pull that trigger.

A few players who are falling:
Gumiho, noted.

DongRaeGu and Leenock. Both got opportunities as aces so that's a good sign. Both failed in an era where Zerg are no longer considered overpowered. Both of these aces rose in prominence before the patch zerg cries, but they're still not immune to some fall-off from the Zerg highs. Neither one of them is Life and it showed in their performances. They'll still be respectable, but if you're an owner, you may want to pick them up after their value drops a little further.

Team trade value: 36.49
Anti-team trade value: 13
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1068 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 22:39:52
April 05 2013 04:09 GMT
#5
Week 2 Recap (7 points - 1 trade)
With only Creator, SSanaEE, SuperNova, and PRIME team having the opportunity to play (along with my entire Anti-team), I knew I was in trouble for the week. Still, the PRIME team salvaged what would have otherwise been a terrible week. Huge shout out to ByuN for demolishing what should be a pretty good team in Azubu. When I originally put together my team, I had ByuN as a part of it rather than SuperNova. I saw SuperNova as the terran ace of AZUBU while ByuN was just one of three star terrans in PRIME and I thought he might lose out on too much playing time so went with SuperNova instead.

My bad. If I would have owned ByuN, I could now trade him for ANY player in the game, Life included. Getting playing time is important, but I think I overestimated playing time and underestimated pure playing ability. If they can't win, it doesn't matter if they will play. I'll have to correct for that mistake in the future.

I also made the mistake of assuming a non-playing member of Startale would be available for 1 point in trades, but didn't fully understand how the trade system works. SSanaEE is now sitting at a trade value of 5.14 while the Startale scrubs are all at 7.87 due to their team win point. Another poor mistake which could cost me if SSanaEE doesn't pick up some wins. He did play a pretty good game against Sound, but Sound isn't exactly the cream of the crop either. Now that he's down to 5.14 trade value, there isn't much I can do with him. The next best playing option at that level seems to be madbull. Luckily, there still is Eve (AZUBU), Bang (MVP) and Hell/Acou/Supreme (FXO) for some team wins at this point. I'm guaranteed that either MVP or FXO will lose in this two week period so at least one of those players will be available if SSanaEE fails again, so I'll give him one more chance to prove himself and trade him if he fails.

Creator lost the opportunity to play due to Byun, but from his Code S appearance, he looks to be a low Code S level player with some issues with Terran. He should still be pretty solid (though not spectacular) in team league as long as his teammates quit all-killing.

PRIME (ByuN) looked great while AZUBU did not. It was certainly scary holding Symbol on my anti-team when he came out as the Ace for AZUBU. If they trust him to be the ace, that makes him feel like a ticking time-bomb on my anti-team waiting to destroy me at any moment. However, his loss may convince the AZUBU coaches to give Violet more opportunity as the zerg representative. I'll hold for now. It's not like there's any great candidate to trade for him anyways.

My other anti-team players did almost exactly as planned. Salvation getting playing time was a bit of a disappointment for me, but he didn't look too frightening in his opportunity.

A Look Ahead
The PRIME team will be kept until at least after week 6. Prime has a tough match in week 4 against Startale, but then gets NSHS in week 6 which could easily be another all-kill. After that point, I might look to trade them, but I'll certainly hope for a big outing in week 6 first.

SSanaEE will be given another shot to make something happen before he gets the boot in favor of Eve, Bang, Hell, Acou, or Supreme.

Alicia is out. MVP is in. Alicia did not impress in week 1 and I have to take that into stronger consideration even though he's still Axiom's best protoss. He's not getting the start this week (Scarlett is), so that really devalues him. On the flip side, MVP has the start against Axiom. I think Scarlett is the real deal when it comes to foreigners who can compete in Korea, but this is MVP we're talking about. This is also current TvZ metagame we're talking about. MVP should win the first match pretty easily and I think he's very capable of an all-kill. However, I will probably look to trade his rising stock either before week 4 or 5.

On the Rise
ByuN and PRIME, noted.

Sound. Wow. Admittedly, he really didn't look that special in dismantling NSHS. However, he did still beat JJakji in a pretty straightforward way after he had already shown his special strategy against Salvation. I'm not ready to raise the value of Startale yet. They took care of business, but no longer have the easiest game on the schedule for the rest of the season.

Bomber. He passed into the Ro16 in the GSL, so we know he can play in HotS. He's still the best terran in Startale and will likely get opportunities whenever they get down to their last two players.

Gumiho, Scarlett, MVP, Dream. All starters for week 3 who didn't play during week 1 or 2. Their values all go up now that we see the coaches actually do have some confidence in these players.

Falling
JJakji. We expect poor play from the rest of NSHS, but not JJakji. At the very least, we expect him to beat Sound in a pretty normal game.

All AZUBU players. SuperNova, Vines, San, and Symbol all fell to one guy. Did the team forget to train Terran snipers for PRIME? I would hope not. While those 4 fell, owners of the other AZUBU players should be a bit worried if their players cannot play over the likes of Vines and San. Genius? Ganzi? viOLet? Getting placed below San and Vines is a scary thing.

Team trade value: 37.68
Alicia 23.28(3.88x6) -> MVP 23.28(3.88x6)
Anti-team trade value: 11.14
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-05 04:56:05
April 05 2013 04:38 GMT
#6
i would be close to first place because I was going to trade for Byun, but then i looked at my team saw i already had him and then he goes on an all-kill. How come my points didn't go up i asked my self. Turns out i had Byul and not Byun....

FML

trading for sound was one of my best decisions.


Today I ended up trading Tails for MVP and Prime for IM. I think IM will do good in the future and while I didn't take a look at who their playing next I think they have a decent shot against any team here with there roster.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1068 Posts
April 05 2013 05:27 GMT
#7
Hah, yeah, ByuN and ByuL are way too easy to mix up. Hindsight being what it is, whoever starts against NSHS is very tempting to pick up and I'm kicking myself for not picking up Sound.

You may want to double check that Prime for IM trade. IM is still worth more points than PRIME and you shouldn't be able to grab IM by dumping PRIME. I know I wasn't able to. But yeah, I'm hoping after another strong PRIME showing in week 6, I can pick up IM in a trade.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
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