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ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
March 19 2013 01:27 GMT
#201
GL man!
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 19 2013 03:48 GMT
#202
Thanks for taking us for a ride
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
March 19 2013 04:29 GMT
#203
Amazing post, amazing player. good luck cloud!

we will miss you cookie monster.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
March 19 2013 05:30 GMT
#204
On March 18 2013 23:42 HardlyNever wrote:
I think you should stay and prove the game is as easy as you constantly claim it is. You've never actually shown that you can be anything remotely close to a top-tier pro.

If you don't enjoy it, though, then don't play it. Saying "this game is easy mode, but rather than win lots of money I'll just quit" just comes off as immature, and frankly, retarded.


He doesn't have to prove shit to you or anyone else. If he doesn't enjoy the game because it's not fun, then he shouldn't drag himself out of bed every morning to make it a career.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
March 19 2013 06:29 GMT
#205
On March 19 2013 08:53 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 03:27 aTnClouD wrote:
On March 19 2013 03:10 Savant.GL wrote:
I am slightly confused.

You said that playing SC2 was more like playing Poker, and that you didn't enjoy the game.
You stated with Sc2 there was more a luck factor, didn't take as much skill and wasn't really an RTS

So you are giving it up to go and play Poker, which is in your second quote is a really complex game.

Just seems to be a conflicting statement, almost like you are deluding yourself to justify the decision.

My idea of RTS is playing a game where the best player should always win. If I want to play poker I play poker. In fact I like the game a lot, but I was expecting Starcraft2 to be something different from what it is now, hence the disappointment

The fact that koreans beat foreigners 98%+ of the time and you beat them less than 2% of the time leads me to think the best player does win.


Those are some very broad categories. Obviously players that put over 2-3 times more effort than their opponents will win most of the time. Even so, not even that will absolutely guarantee a win - Korean players still drop series to foreigners occasionally (and they drop single games quite often).
EuroElf
Profile Joined January 2010
Croatia19 Posts
March 19 2013 07:11 GMT
#206
oO good luck!
CyCo
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium67 Posts
March 19 2013 09:25 GMT
#207
Always sad to see retirements...
gl hf irl ClouD
Who'll take the spot as best Italian now?
xtyxtbx
Profile Joined December 2011
United States53 Posts
March 19 2013 09:31 GMT
#208
Sad :l But gl to you cloud! I seen one or two of your games and it was impressive, you were a great player! Def will be remembered in the starcraft hall of fame haha.
Health of marine with combat sheild = 55. Ht's storm damage = 80. What blizzard?
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
March 19 2013 10:29 GMT
#209
On March 19 2013 15:29 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 08:53 Zenbrez wrote:
On March 19 2013 03:27 aTnClouD wrote:
On March 19 2013 03:10 Savant.GL wrote:
I am slightly confused.

You said that playing SC2 was more like playing Poker, and that you didn't enjoy the game.
You stated with Sc2 there was more a luck factor, didn't take as much skill and wasn't really an RTS

So you are giving it up to go and play Poker, which is in your second quote is a really complex game.

Just seems to be a conflicting statement, almost like you are deluding yourself to justify the decision.

My idea of RTS is playing a game where the best player should always win. If I want to play poker I play poker. In fact I like the game a lot, but I was expecting Starcraft2 to be something different from what it is now, hence the disappointment

The fact that koreans beat foreigners 98%+ of the time and you beat them less than 2% of the time leads me to think the best player does win.


Those are some very broad categories. Obviously players that put over 2-3 times more effort than their opponents will win most of the time. Even so, not even that will absolutely guarantee a win - Korean players still drop series to foreigners occasionally (and they drop single games quite often).

To good foreigners yeah, but not to low tier foreigners. But that's also my point. If you DO put the time in (which we know generally speaking foreigners lack) you will get better and win based off skill. You think Life, Leenock, MVP, Parting, etc etc won all those champion titles because of luck? And Cloud never getting past the first round of a tournament is because of bad luck? He can make all the excuses in the world he wants, he wasn't good at sc2. Decent at sc1, but certainly not sc2.
Refer to my post.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 11:07:49
March 19 2013 11:06 GMT
#210
You generally don't win or lose in poker due to good/bad luck either.

Honestly, between top Korean players, winner is decided by a combination of current metagame, scouting, decision making, mind games, luck and various other elements of the game that don't involve any physical skill, but rather experience, preparation and overall knowledge. Even among Koreans, many genuinely talented players have been known to struggle in Code A/B while players with considerably worse execution and multitasking made deep runs in Code S.

Players better at certain things will still win, but not everybody likes or enjoys the specific things that make a player "better" in SC2, which is what I believe he was trying to say (or at least how I feel about it).
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
March 19 2013 13:03 GMT
#211
On March 19 2013 19:29 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 15:29 Talin wrote:
On March 19 2013 08:53 Zenbrez wrote:
On March 19 2013 03:27 aTnClouD wrote:
On March 19 2013 03:10 Savant.GL wrote:
I am slightly confused.

You said that playing SC2 was more like playing Poker, and that you didn't enjoy the game.
You stated with Sc2 there was more a luck factor, didn't take as much skill and wasn't really an RTS

So you are giving it up to go and play Poker, which is in your second quote is a really complex game.

Just seems to be a conflicting statement, almost like you are deluding yourself to justify the decision.

My idea of RTS is playing a game where the best player should always win. If I want to play poker I play poker. In fact I like the game a lot, but I was expecting Starcraft2 to be something different from what it is now, hence the disappointment

The fact that koreans beat foreigners 98%+ of the time and you beat them less than 2% of the time leads me to think the best player does win.


Those are some very broad categories. Obviously players that put over 2-3 times more effort than their opponents will win most of the time. Even so, not even that will absolutely guarantee a win - Korean players still drop series to foreigners occasionally (and they drop single games quite often).

To good foreigners yeah, but not to low tier foreigners. But that's also my point. If you DO put the time in (which we know generally speaking foreigners lack) you will get better and win based off skill. You think Life, Leenock, MVP, Parting, etc etc won all those champion titles because of luck? And Cloud never getting past the first round of a tournament is because of bad luck? He can make all the excuses in the world he wants, he wasn't good at sc2. Decent at sc1, but certainly not sc2.

PartinG dropped a map to Combat-Ex who made it through the group stages at WCG against a bunch of players better than him. If that isn't an indicator that no matter how much you practice you can still easily lose, I don't know what is.
niteReloaded
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Croatia5282 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-20 10:11:31
March 19 2013 14:01 GMT
#212
ooV
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
March 19 2013 14:20 GMT
#213
On March 19 2013 14:30 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2013 23:42 HardlyNever wrote:
I think you should stay and prove the game is as easy as you constantly claim it is. You've never actually shown that you can be anything remotely close to a top-tier pro.

If you don't enjoy it, though, then don't play it. Saying "this game is easy mode, but rather than win lots of money I'll just quit" just comes off as immature, and frankly, retarded.


He doesn't have to prove shit to you or anyone else. If he doesn't enjoy the game because it's not fun, then he shouldn't drag himself out of bed every morning to make it a career.


He doesn't, but he leaves saying he could have been one of the best foreigners.

Well if you can't be a champion in real life, I guess try to be a champion in your own head?
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Boanerges
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland156 Posts
March 19 2013 14:48 GMT
#214
On March 19 2013 23:20 HardlyNever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 14:30 ninazerg wrote:
On March 18 2013 23:42 HardlyNever wrote:
I think you should stay and prove the game is as easy as you constantly claim it is. You've never actually shown that you can be anything remotely close to a top-tier pro.

If you don't enjoy it, though, then don't play it. Saying "this game is easy mode, but rather than win lots of money I'll just quit" just comes off as immature, and frankly, retarded.


He doesn't have to prove shit to you or anyone else. If he doesn't enjoy the game because it's not fun, then he shouldn't drag himself out of bed every morning to make it a career.


He doesn't, but he leaves saying he could have been one of the best foreigners.

Well if you can't be a champion in real life, I guess try to be a champion in your own head?


So... you are a loser in your own head? I feel sorry for you.


User was warned for this post
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
March 19 2013 14:57 GMT
#215
On March 19 2013 23:48 Boanerges wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 23:20 HardlyNever wrote:
On March 19 2013 14:30 ninazerg wrote:
On March 18 2013 23:42 HardlyNever wrote:
I think you should stay and prove the game is as easy as you constantly claim it is. You've never actually shown that you can be anything remotely close to a top-tier pro.

If you don't enjoy it, though, then don't play it. Saying "this game is easy mode, but rather than win lots of money I'll just quit" just comes off as immature, and frankly, retarded.


He doesn't have to prove shit to you or anyone else. If he doesn't enjoy the game because it's not fun, then he shouldn't drag himself out of bed every morning to make it a career.


He doesn't, but he leaves saying he could have been one of the best foreigners.

Well if you can't be a champion in real life, I guess try to be a champion in your own head?


So... you are a loser in your own head? I feel sorry for you.


No, I just don't think I'm amazing at a game I'm terrible at. Huge difference.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
15CCbestCC
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1 Post
March 19 2013 15:57 GMT
#216
Gl hf for the future!
Losing is part of the game. If you never lose, you are never truly tested.
boese
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany5 Posts
March 19 2013 16:24 GMT
#217
all the best wishes !! i allways liked to watch you playing sc2 ... thumbs up.
Lip the Pencilboy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Italy420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-19 16:52:16
March 19 2013 16:51 GMT
#218
ciao bello,

hope to meet once again irl

Moderator"Ieri ho bevuto troppo, stasera bevo solo Birra!" - DEBO IS MY PERSONAL SC2-HERO
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
March 19 2013 18:56 GMT
#219
On March 19 2013 22:03 StarVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2013 19:29 Zenbrez wrote:
On March 19 2013 15:29 Talin wrote:
On March 19 2013 08:53 Zenbrez wrote:
On March 19 2013 03:27 aTnClouD wrote:
On March 19 2013 03:10 Savant.GL wrote:
I am slightly confused.

You said that playing SC2 was more like playing Poker, and that you didn't enjoy the game.
You stated with Sc2 there was more a luck factor, didn't take as much skill and wasn't really an RTS

So you are giving it up to go and play Poker, which is in your second quote is a really complex game.

Just seems to be a conflicting statement, almost like you are deluding yourself to justify the decision.

My idea of RTS is playing a game where the best player should always win. If I want to play poker I play poker. In fact I like the game a lot, but I was expecting Starcraft2 to be something different from what it is now, hence the disappointment

The fact that koreans beat foreigners 98%+ of the time and you beat them less than 2% of the time leads me to think the best player does win.


Those are some very broad categories. Obviously players that put over 2-3 times more effort than their opponents will win most of the time. Even so, not even that will absolutely guarantee a win - Korean players still drop series to foreigners occasionally (and they drop single games quite often).

To good foreigners yeah, but not to low tier foreigners. But that's also my point. If you DO put the time in (which we know generally speaking foreigners lack) you will get better and win based off skill. You think Life, Leenock, MVP, Parting, etc etc won all those champion titles because of luck? And Cloud never getting past the first round of a tournament is because of bad luck? He can make all the excuses in the world he wants, he wasn't good at sc2. Decent at sc1, but certainly not sc2.

PartinG dropped a map to Combat-Ex who made it through the group stages at WCG against a bunch of players better than him. If that isn't an indicator that no matter how much you practice you can still easily lose, I don't know what is.


An anomaly is your source to discredit something?
Refer to my post.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
March 19 2013 19:08 GMT
#220
"I never liked this game, feels like poker to me, still I dragged on for years, accomplishing pretty much nothing. Now Im gonna move on to playing poker." WTF?
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
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