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Shiverfish
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Canada95 Posts
February 22 2013 07:09 GMT
#1
Do aliens exist? I have no doubt that living organisms as we understand them exist elsewhere in the universe. However, I do not believe that we will ever make contact with another intelligent alien species.

From Wikipedia, the age of the universe is 13.8 billion years. Earth is 4.5 billion years old. The first simple cells appeared 3.6 billion years before present (ybp). Dinosaurs appeared 0.3 billion ybp and died 0.065 billion ybp, lasting a span of 0.235 billion years. Anatomically modern humans have been around for 0.0002 billion years. The Bronze Age and early human civilization began roughly 0.0000055 billion ybp (3500 BC, or 5500 years ago).

The point is that humans have been around for a very short time on the scale of the universe. In this brief window we have developed some impressive technologies. The pace of progress in the last 200 years has been spectacular. What lies ahead in the next 200 years is anyone’s guess, including whether humanity will even still be around. How long do you think humans or their descendants will continue to exist? Will we be able to make the great technological leap to allow us to sustain a significant legacy on earth or beyond? Knowing our destructive capacity, depletion of resources, and human nature, getting anywhere close to the dinosaurs’ length of rein right now does not seem likely.

While our understanding of the universe is far from complete, I get the sense that we have a pretty good idea of its physical limits. So far, in all the forms of information gathering we have deployed, we have not been able to detect any signs of alien presence.

I assume that one goal of an advanced species is interplanetary colonization. Reasons for expanding across galaxies include harvesting resources, supporting a larger population, exploration, research, and reducing the risk of species extinction. If this assumption is true, then how far would an advanced species expand across the universe? There is no reason to limit this expansion – they would keep going up to or beyond the edge of the universe if they can. In order for such a feat to be possible, the method of travel or surveyance must be extremely fast. It would probably have to be faster than light to traverse the immense distances.

If an advanced species reached a sufficient level of technology, and if it was possible at all, then they must have already charted and/or colonized the entire universe. And since none has done it yet, none will do so in our future.

To illustrate my thesis, the hypothetical universal timeline can be split into three phases: pre-universal conquest, the period of exploration, and post-universal conquest. We are not in the last phase, because if we were, we would know about it. The chances of us being in the second phase depend on how long we’ll be around.

Take the following example. The aliens are a farmer pushing a rake through soil. The raked soil is explored territory, while unraked soil is unexplored. The field is huge and will take some time to rake entirely. Humans appear when a snowflake touches the field on a hot summer day. Once the snowflake hits the ground, it melts in a few seconds. If we fell on a raked area, we’d see the signs of previous visitation by the rake marks. The chance of us being in the exploration phase is like the rake passing over the snowflake immediately after we hit the ground before we melt into the soil. The longer we can prolong humanity’s existence, the longer the snowflake can last before it melts, but so far, the time of our existence has been negligible.

That leaves us in the first pre-conquest stage, which must be the only possibility. We won’t be able to meet the aliens in the time we exist.

There are some other points I’d like to address. There is the possibility that advanced aliens exist, have charted the universe, know that we exist, and deliberately stay out of our awareness. This is like the Prime Directive from Star Trek. They will not interfere with our affairs until we reach a suitable stage of political/technological development. We are the animals in the zoo. Alternatively, advanced aliens are out there, but communicate in a medium that we have been unable to detect or decipher. These are valid arguments that I cannot completely dismiss.

I cannot claim that I know too much about cosmology myself, but it seems collectively we know an impressive amount. I mean, we can estimate roughly the age of the universe, its size, shape, speed of expansion, its boundaries, its origin, the forces at play, the celestial bodies, astronomical phenomena, laws of nature, and so many other things. All this, all from a tiny little speck, in a tiny little time frame. We could very well be totally wrong about all of this and the truth is completely different... but do you really think so? Do you really think we are that far off from everything?

All I can say is that given our current understanding of astronomy, cosmology, and physics, radically new universal properties are difficult to accept. I have some level of confidence that we are at a sufficient level of understanding of the universe to rule out certain possibilities. Of course, we’ve made major mistakes before, for example, on the theories of flat earth, heliocentrism, or even manned flight. But that was before a more rigorous application of the scientific method. I’d like to believe that our current conception of the universe, and the scientists that tell us so, are a bit closer to reality.

What if the advanced aliens have charted most of the universe but for some reason deemed it unnecessary or not worth their while to come to our corner? Perhaps it was a particularly dangerous zone and not accessible. We remain in the unknown darkness. As long as they do not come in looking for us and we do not venture out of the corner, contact will not be made. And the very reasons they cannot come in makes it all the more difficult for us to come out.

There is also the point that an advanced species may have no interest in colonizing or expanding across the universe. Perhaps physical bodies will no longer be relevant if we can morph into a nebulous network of consciousness. Nevertheless, traces of such forces must be detectable. If their own sphere of influence is limited, then the chances of communicating with them remains closed off.

What if humans themselves will be the ones to achieve universal conquest some time in the future? Again, the chances of that is extremely small. Consider the potential number of intelligent life forms likely to have ever existed. It should be astronomical. It is highly unlikely that we alone, out of all of them, will have the right intelligence and resources to expand across the universe first.

That gets me to my final point. While life in the universe may be abundant, I think humans are special. On Earth alone, in the entire time that life has ever existed, humans occupy a tiny fraction. Yet none of the previous life forms had any impact on Earth as the same way we have. It’s one thing for an extraterrestrial cell, amoeba, jellyfish, fish, tree, flower, snake, insect, lizard, bird, dog, camel, deer, dolphin, or lion to be skittering about. It’s quite another to see a human building houses, making clothes, driving cars, sending light speed communications across the planet, fly in airplanes, and flush waste down toilets. It could all have been the result of opposable thumbs, or cooked food allowing us to divert energy away from digestion to grow bigger brains.

Intelligent alien life is probably out there, but what humans have been able to achieve is remarkable. I believe the amount and extent of alien advancement surpassing our own could be lower than one might otherwise expect from the numbers.

This was supposed to be a pre-amble to another subject I wanted to write, but it turned out I had more to say on this than I expected.

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sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
February 22 2013 07:13 GMT
#2
nice blog! I think intelligent life is exceedingly common in the universe. But I don't think it really turns out all that practical to engage in interstellar travel

you should red this, I enjoyed it:

http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Aliens-Everybody-Solutions-Extraterrestrial/dp/0387955011
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10171 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 07:34:55
February 22 2013 07:33 GMT
#3
Quick question, have you EVER posted anything about StarCraft on these forums? There are other blog services out there you know xD

EDIT: You could have even had a perfectly good connecting bridge with this topic but NOPE. I half-expected "But we all know I am talking about someone other than the Zergs or Protoss right?" at the end.
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Erik.TheRed
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1655 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 07:49:05
February 22 2013 07:35 GMT
#4
If you haven't seen Carl Sagan's Cosmos, then you absolutely should. I just finished watching it a few weeks ago (there are 13 episodes total), and it contains a lot of interesting speculation on extraterrestrial life without the bullshit that you'll find in those History Channel alien shows. Overall it's a really humbling and beautiful series filled with loads of scientific information.

"See you space cowboy"
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 07:38:00
February 22 2013 07:37 GMT
#5
On February 22 2013 16:33 Jealous wrote:
Quick question, have you EVER posted anything about StarCraft on these forums? There are other blog services out there you know xD


http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=88033

he's fine yo, let him write his blogs
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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
February 22 2013 07:43 GMT
#6
Oh WOW does he have a lot of blogs hahaha. Such a low post count comparatively too.

Nice blog entry, I've wondered as well ^^
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KurtistheTurtle
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1966 Posts
February 22 2013 08:13 GMT
#7
If an advanced species reached a sufficient level of technology, and if it was possible at all, then they must have already charted and/or colonized the entire universe.

Who says they haven't? Thought-experiment wise, I think there are much more interesting directions we can go than "where are they?" There is a HOST of speculation on this from credible and authoritative sources. But they're operating off of, dare I say, out-of-date information. To that end, why do you assume that if we made contact it would suddenly become public knowledge?

And who says there's just one alien race? Assuming they are in contact with humanity, the fact we haven't been wiped out means they're benevolent, or at the very least have a use for us. How could they ignore a noisy little planet like us?

Given non-hostility (on the large scale), your questions and pondering would be better left to: What reasons could there be for the existence of aliens to be kept from the public? Given different assumptions of the way things currently are, what reasons and causes are there for things to have happened the way they did? Let's take it through some different scenarios.

But most importantly & ascertainably, what new physics discoveries haven't been released due to the political & religious pressure inherent in human society? How would these affect what we know about the universe & explain how everything exists?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
February 22 2013 11:29 GMT
#8
http://www.cracked.com/article_20216_5-insane-theories-about-why-we-havent-discovered-alien-life.html

This was convenient timing.
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Artisian
Profile Joined October 2010
United States115 Posts
February 22 2013 18:11 GMT
#9

The point is that humans have been around for a very short time on the scale of the universe. In this brief window we have developed some impressive technologies. The pace of progress in the last 200 years has been spectacular.


I'd think long and hard about these lines here, and any like it. If we've accomplished this in only a few thousand years, with the bulk in the last few centuries, what we have isn't impressive. what we have is so basic and primitive compared to where we could be that it's downright shameful. We might have something to be proud of here in a few millenia, but currently we're off to a slow start and I don't think we even know why.
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Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
February 22 2013 21:35 GMT
#10
We could very well be totally wrong about all of this and the truth is completely different... but do you really think so? Do you really think we are that far off from everything?


This type of thinking is the antithesis of how humans should be thinking if we want to progress. Downright shameful. please DO NOT spread this sentiment... Blind acceptance of everything "because its true" is the exact opposite of science, we should continue questioning, because our ability to question is what got us this far in the first place.
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Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
February 22 2013 22:37 GMT
#11
Would be wild if our universe were just a toe on some giant being, who himself is an ant compared to some other race of beings. Isn't all of our science limited by our five senses and the extrapolations we make off of them? Perhaps there are beings who perceive in ways outside of sight, smell, touch etc. Even our thoughts and imagination are based in the medium of the senses. I hope some benign aliens will come and help us out someday, because we sure seem to be lost sometimes. Maybe they already do... some of history's geniuses sure seem to have a touch of the unworldly in them.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-23 02:05:59
February 23 2013 02:05 GMT
#12
On February 23 2013 07:37 Mothra wrote:
Would be wild if our universe were just a toe on some giant being, who himself is an ant compared to some other race of beings. Isn't all of our science limited by our five senses and the extrapolations we make off of them? Perhaps there are beings who perceive in ways outside of sight, smell, touch etc. Even our thoughts and imagination are based in the medium of the senses. I hope some benign aliens will come and help us out someday, because we sure seem to be lost sometimes. Maybe they already do... some of history's geniuses sure seem to have a touch of the unworldly in them.


Why would they though? Think about it - if they were there and intelligent enough to seek us out and identify us, what interest would we be to them? It's like trying to teach a goldfish mathematics - a noble effort, but completely impossible and utterly pointless as a result.
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Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
February 23 2013 02:29 GMT
#13
On February 23 2013 11:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Why would they though? Think about it - if they were there and intelligent enough to seek us out and identify us, what interest would we be to them? It's like trying to teach a goldfish mathematics - a noble effort, but completely impossible and utterly pointless as a result.


We can't say what is impossible for beings we have no concept of. Perhaps they would feel compassion or enjoy taking on the challenge of improving us. Of course these are human emotions and motivations which they might not share at all.
I_Love_Katheryn
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
United States41 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-23 02:57:00
February 23 2013 02:49 GMT
#14
I read in a book somewhere that it's perfectly possible that aliens are watching us and closely monitoring our activities. If they possess highly advanced technology, it is possible that they conceal themselves from our view but spy on us 24/7.

Another possibility is that the aliens have already killed themselves, meaning that they developed such sophisticated technology that they destroyed their own civilization with nuclear or biological/chemical or other devastating weapons -- which is why we see things like existing water locked away in polar ice caps, or depleted atmospheres, or clear signs of past life on many planets, even in our solar system (for example Mars). Some alien race may have destroyed their own planet (and themselves -- there may even be some survivors who packed up and left the galaxy) by proliferation of deadly weapons or planetary destruction (think over extraction of natural resources, catastrophic climate change manifesting itself in the form of global warming or biohazardous substances leaking into the atmosphere). A popular theory is that many alien races try to warn humans to steer clear of these things and work on trying to find out inner peace, soul searching, cosmic awareness, ecological friendliness, etc.

Either way there is no guarantee that aliens out there will be advanced life forms. Maybe while we have the internet and iphones, an alien civilization in a far away galaxy is just discovering fire or inventing the wheel. We should not be so quick to assume that aliens will 100% be more advanced than us (think zerg).
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