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This is something I've been wondering for a while now. Does anyone have any interest in seeing a stream of programming? Here at TL there's a surprising amount of interest in programming in general, and I've streamed live coding before. What is your opinion on all this?
Here's my opinion:
+ Show Spoiler [OPINION] +When I was in highschool I can remember streaming wasn't as popular as it is today, and where I lived it was a little harder to have a good internet connection. Nonetheless I can recall wanting to see people do actual live coding on things I was interested in. I can remember seeing a "speed code" time lapsed video of someone creating a Single-Button RPG for a contest. The video was rather inspirational and magical to me. A wizard types magic words and makes computers do things! Inconceivable!
I also really like trying to get more people interested in doing something productive. Perhaps this would be a "two birds with one stone" type of deal?
Past experience streaming a programming assigment:
- Streamed creation of a simple platformer for CS230.
- People asked a ton of questions about a lot of stuff in stream chat.
- I was surprised at how much interest there was.
- A lot of people popped in said hi, wondered what was going on then left.
- A few people asked more direct questions and I think they learned quite a bit.
Considering the above as my experience, it seems about as interesting as watching SC2, if not more due to pure novelty. Actually I get way less viewers streaming WoL nowadays than when I streamed live coding that one time in the past.
>> Things I'd like to stream: I do a lot of independent studies with various things in C++ all the time. Currently I'm writing a quick reference counted smart pointer in order to use it within my custom string class. This is all for my physics engine, which would probably be really interesting to see too (at least to me it would be).
So what about you guys?+ Show Spoiler [POLL] +Poll: Would you watch live coding on-stream?I'm interested in computer science, so yes. (65) 59% Wizard types magic words! I'd check it out at least once. (32) 29% Eh, sounds boring. (11) 10% I'd like to see if there were cool visual effects or something. (1) 1% Hmm, SC2 or BW streams are more interesting. (1) 1% 110 total votes Your vote: Would you watch live coding on-stream? (Vote): Wizard types magic words! I'd check it out at least once.
(Vote): I'd like to see if there were cool visual effects or something.
(Vote): Eh, sounds boring.
(Vote): I'm interested in computer science, so yes.
(Vote): Hmm, SC2 or BW streams are more interesting.
  
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Just hopped in to watch... Chat's not loading for me though. Always interested in watching live coding though.
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hell yes tuning in!
You need a cam!
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On February 17 2013 15:17 Chairman Ray wrote:
hell yes tuning in!
You need a cam!
Yes indeed TT and mic!
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Once I saw "Stream Prog" with your name next to it I knew I was going to say yes somewhere in the thread. Please stream!
Subbed~
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I think it would be interesting, particularly if the quality was high enough that you could see what the code is.
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On February 17 2013 15:32 Birdie wrote:
I think it would be interesting, particularly if the quality was high enough that you could see what the code is.
He's streaming now and you can see what the words are 
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As someone who is interested in going into Computer science, this will be very interesting to watch.
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Stream's down for tonight.
Looking forward to seeing the physics engine though. 2d physics isn't too bad, but 3d game physics is still a mystery to me.
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I would watch if you had a mic. I'm more interested in the thought process behind what you do, why you are creating a class or what a certain line you write is for, than just seeing someone do those things.
Other than that, i'm not sure how practical it is to stream and code, it seems like you end up with only a small amount of screen real estate after making it all readable for the viewers. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on this, as i attempted to do something similar a long time ago but found this to be a fairly hindering factor.
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This is actually really cool because I've been looking for something like this. Specifically, I'm looking for someone programming with the Vim text editor. I personally find Vim to be cumbersome and difficult to use, but several internet communities and websites praise Vim as being the best text editor out there. Hence, I have been searching the internet for video proof of just how fast and efficient it can be. If you use Vim for programming, you have gained another viewer here.
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I always wanted to do this if I ever got the setup that can handle streaming, I would definitely love to see more of it as well. I know quill18 at twitch used to stream during his Ludum Dare entries.
I suppose the wider appeal depends on how good (and fun!) the commentary is, and which segments of the work you decide to show on stream.
Oh, there's a VOD too. Will check it out now!
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At first I thought twitch won't let you, because they stop streams with "not-gaming" content. But on the other hand, if it's programming "for games", then it's gaming-related - like mapmaking - I guess.
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Streams have already improved the interest/level of play in computer games. If you can manage to pull it off for programming you might actually pioneer a new way of education.
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Keep us updated with the Microsoft interview(s).
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,atching the recording right now. i would love to watch it live next time 
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Super interested in this. Needs mic though x.x
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Yeah, definitely needs some kind of commentary if it isn't too much trouble =p
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I'm going to court controversy and say that I think this would be better as a vlog or something rather than streaming.
The problem with streaming is people will be picking up and at random points and there will be little hope of actually understanding what you're intending to do.
If you are absolutely determined to stream though you need to have an outline of what you're doing at the time, a set of bullet points explaining which methods / files / projects / solutions you're working on and why, either in the description or visible somewhere to allow people to get an idea of what you're doing.
Personally I'd quite like to see a detailed run down, as I think you should never put hands to keyboard without a good plan, write that plan down in easy to follow steps, outlining what you're working on, including the names of functions and what you intend to do with them.
It's hassle, but its good practice for one, and secondly it would make it possible to follow what you're doing, especially if you could cross things off as you did them.
Next, as mentioned is commentary. Some comments giving an indication of thought processes and a brief chat about what you're doing.
I still think a structured vlog would be better, however I understand that takes a considerable amount of time to edit / sharpen up so I suppose I understand how streaming might be a way around that, but I still think that it's not a very good medium for sharing programming.
Good luck though, if people are interested it should pan out
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I agree with the vlog idea. That would help a lot more, and I would be able to see it on my own time as supposed to whenever you decide to stream.
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I'd love a stream like this. I'm studying CS and my C++ classes taught me the very basics of programming but didn't touch the "real" C++. Watching someone code might give me a lesson my uni would never give me!
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I think it is just really useless and quite boring if you just stream yourself coding with only music in the background.
Consider getting a mic and interacting with stream viewers commentating your train of thought, what you are doing at the moment, what problems you are facing, how you solved/plan to solve them and give general programming tips like good practices and stuff.
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Alright I'm trying this with a mic! Lets see how it goes
I tried adding a short task list type of thing going on here. If this ends up making any sense I'll try doing some more in the near future. If not I'll consider doing a vlog type of thing and upload the videos to youtube.
I'll be working on some prelim stuff in order to get back to the physics engine tonight!
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Hey, a cool idea of yours!
If I may propose two feedbacks:
1) To your stream: Your mic is only on my left speaker which annoys me after a while.
2) To your programming style: I strongly dislike reading exclamation mark in error messages. It is stressfull if you have a bug that you just cannot find and you have to read the same error message again and again. But is is even more stressfull when that same message screams at you. Always feels like you could call gsub("!", ", idiot!") on that error message 
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Yeah my computer crashed and I don't want to set up all the stuff again. I'll wait to stream more once I have a nicer mic
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No voting option for me 
Definitely interested in watching a programmer stream, but it would have to:
1. Be a language I'm interested in using atm, more or less C# right now. C++ is not my cup of tea.
2. Be a streamer who is really good at it, because I'm a programmer myself and would be looking for advice, best practice and inspiration... A high school student who just learned to code etc wouldn't be interesting at all, someone with several years of experience in the area though, bring it on.
3. Obviously be a project I'm sort of interested in. Games certainly work fine in this regard.
So yeah, I would be pretty picky. Then again, I'm picky with all my streamers, I only watch streamers who are good, specifically stream a game I'm interested in, and comment on what they do a lot.
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Hey, caught the vod of your most recent one. Cool stuff dude. I'm trying to teach myself c++ (for the 25th time now) and it's interesting to see someone actually writing stuff out. Your mic was a bit too low compared to the music, but that's all; everything else was nice.
Would watch more.
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Just started up the recent video and noticed a huge problem: mic is only mono and panned purely to the left. This is a HUGE problem for people like me who use headphones. It's headache inducing almost immediately.
Other than that, I'm liking it.
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