• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:56
CEST 03:56
KST 10:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High11Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments2[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt2: Turbulence10Classic Games #3: Rogue vs Serral at BlizzCon10[ASL20] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Ascent10
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes192BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch2Weekly Cups (Sept 8-14): herO & MaxPax split cups4WardiTV TL Team Map Contest #5 Tournaments1SC4ALL $6,000 Open LAN in Philadelphia8
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.15 PTR Patch Notes Why Storm Should NOT Be Nerfed – A Core Part of Pr #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time SC4ALL: A North American StarCraft LAN Team TLMC #5 - Finalists & Open Tournaments
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 19 Stellar Fest KSL Week 80 StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 492 Get Out More Mutation # 491 Night Drive Mutation # 490 Masters of Midnight Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Old rep packs of BW legends ASL ro8 Upper Bracket HYPE VIDEO [ASL20] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Mile High BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL20] Ro16 Group D SC4ALL $1,500 Open Bracket LAN BSL 2025 Warsaw LAN + Legends Showmatch [ASL20] Ro16 Group C
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Borderlands 3 General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion LiquidDota to reintegrate into TL.net
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Big Programming Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s)
TL Community
BarCraft in Tokyo Japan for ASL Season5 Final The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Why can't Americans stop ea…
Peanutsc
Too Many LANs? Tournament Ov…
TrAiDoS
I <=> 9
KrillinFromwales
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1909 users

DoA's Post about SC2 vs LoL blah blah blah - Page 13

Blogs > DoA
Post a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 All
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
February 05 2013 19:52 GMT
#241
If you actually believe that it takes the same skill level to play LoL as SC2, even mentally, you're completely delusional. That being said they're both awful competitive games, and basically unwatchable. At least LoL can actually be fun to play with friends.
Jieun <3
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
February 05 2013 21:10 GMT
#242
Some of you guys are so obsessed with the words such as "skill" and "casual," but it is being used so much in the wrong way that the word is becoming just as meaningless as the word "freedom." Basically, those words serve no purpose except to promote or to slander.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 21:13:57
February 05 2013 21:12 GMT
#243
On February 06 2013 04:52 PHILtheTANK wrote:
If you actually believe that it takes the same skill level to play LoL as SC2, even mentally, you're completely delusional. That being said they're both awful competitive games, and basically unwatchable. At least LoL can actually be fun to play with friends.

The games require different skills, comparing them shows ignorance to both games. Good SC2 players are not good at LoL and good LoL players are not good at SC2. The only exception to this rule is when an SC2 player invests as much time as he did in SC2 into LoL(then he is no longer at the "pro" level of SC2 though) and vice-versa. This is why you cannot compare the "skill-level" of SC2 and LoL. With Dota and LoL an arguement can be made.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
February 05 2013 21:44 GMT
#244
On February 06 2013 06:10 Shiragaku wrote:
Some of you guys are so obsessed with the words such as "skill" and "casual," but it is being used so much in the wrong way that the word is becoming just as meaningless as the word "freedom." Basically, those words serve no purpose except to promote or to slander.

What does it even mean in a PvP game? "More dificult", "takes more skill"? To win you have to be better than your opponent. It's not any easier to win a game in LoL than it is in SC2. If anything the far greater playerbase in LoL would make it more impressive to be champ, not less. Being the best at something out of 30 million competitors, seems harder than beeing the best out of 1 million. No matter what that thing is.

You could argue that a lacking skill cap means that lesser players can win against more skilled opponents through luck, however the top places in tournaments have a lot more repeat appearences in LoL than in SC2. Add to this the insisting whinings about patchzergs and the like and this point becomes moot as well.
I don't believe that it's harder to distinguish yourself as a top player in LoL than it is in SC2.

There isn't really anything objective that makes LoL less worthwhile as an esport than starcraft. It comes down to what you prefer and find entertaining. So please stop this patronizing, trying to make people who like LoL (or any other game for that matter) out as a sorry uninformed bunch of sods. That elitist circlejerk that seems to be going on some places is getting quite sad tbh.
pawsoffury
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4 Posts
February 05 2013 23:15 GMT
#245
First, I haven't been keeping up with the drama over this thing. But here's my opinion on this post.

I've played countless hours of both games. I enjoy both games. Before I played LoL I did lean towards the general consensus around here that it was an easy, trivial game.

I started playing and reading what good players had to say about that game and was easily able to see there's more going on than it looked like and being good at it is not as simple as it might look at first glance. I agree with that part of DOA's post. I agree there should be much less hate towards LoL and other Moba games from the sc2 folk.

However I think it's obvious that these games are leagues apart in what it takes to master the fundamentals of the game and actually compete with others who have mastered them. Nearly every part of SC2 is much more difficult, often even an order of magnitude more difficult, in my view. If someone thinks they are comparable I'd agree with some post above me, they are delusional. I'd add they are probably delusional about more than just video games as well.

DOA is an intelligent and reasonable fellow, I don't believe he is actually saying they are comparable in that sense anyway. In fact it looks like he's admitting they are not, and just encouraging folk to enjoy both games and every game cause they're all fun. I particularly like his point about pro-gaming being a beautiful thing but I'd extend that to watching the best in anything get it done.
Para29
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada40 Posts
February 05 2013 23:36 GMT
#246
After reading a few comments, why do a few members of the community constantly associate "Anti-Fun" and "burden of knowledge" for League of Legends?

To be honest and fair, without knowledge, you will get nowhere in this game but towards the so called "elo hell". This fictitious claim that Riot says "burden of knowledge" leads to anti-fun is so far from the truth that it doesn't make any sense. The consistent release of new patches, updates, champions, items etc. proves to us that you need to have knowledge of the game to be good otherwise you get left behind. So before make another claim that League of Legends is easy to play with the argument "burden of knowledge" and no "anti-fun" mechanics, consider the logic.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 06 2013 02:48 GMT
#247
On February 05 2013 19:51 murphs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 11:15 jpak wrote:Takes a (former) elitist to know an elitist, and current SC2 community makes the BW elitists look rather tame.


No.

You haven't met some of the die hard BW elitists.
If you think SC2 is tame you really have no idea
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
bLueSkY)
Profile Joined November 2006
New Zealand88 Posts
February 08 2013 04:38 GMT
#248
I don't quite get the point of this thread. DoA is bad at sc2 and LoL, I think he should just be happy he's being allowed to cast either game (still don't understand why him and cristo are casting the OSL.. 2 play by play casters.. really?). Becoming defensive about either games skill is laughable when he isn't good at either of them. The result is a thread filled with pointless comments about which game is "harder", you really can't compare sc2 to lol, skill rewards much more in sc2 than it does in lol considering lol is a team game (and therefore "team skill" rewards more).
Logan_ps
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 11:16:44
February 08 2013 11:11 GMT
#249
Very well said. About 7 years ago I watched silently as a large gaming community (10,000+ members) I helped run fell apart due to players of different games failing to take your logic - bashing the others' game of choice created an irreversible friction and inevitable collapse. I'm sure we were one of many.

All of us are gamers / eSports fans first and foremost. Why have we not learned the lessons of the past?! The stakes are higher now - corporate dollars are pouring in to the thing we love. Embrace Gaming - pro, competitive, or casual. Love the game you love, shout it from the rooftops - spread awareness of our wonderful rich gaming landscape - but don't whatever you do, fool yourself and others into thinking you can bash players of other successful, popular games, without having a destructive effect on gaming and eSports generally.

If you don't like something, don't pay any attention to it. We will all feel the benefit of it. Love gaming. Love gamers. However they choose to compete.
Prev 1 11 12 13 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 5m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 153
RuFF_SC2 130
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 869
Sharp 44
NaDa 16
Icarus 4
Dota 2
capcasts354
League of Legends
Cuddl3bear4
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor156
Other Games
summit1g10404
JimRising 581
C9.Mang0223
Maynarde140
Mew2King52
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick681
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH247
• davetesta35
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
Afreeca Starleague
8h 5m
Barracks vs Mini
Wardi Open
9h 5m
Monday Night Weeklies
14h 5m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 8h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 8h
Snow vs EffOrt
PiGosaur Monday
1d 22h
LiuLi Cup
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Maestros of the Game
5 days
Clem vs Reynor
[ Show More ]
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
5 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
RSL Revival: Season 2
HCC Europe

Ongoing

BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Points
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2025-26
SC4ALL: Brood War
BSL 21 Team A
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
EC S1
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.