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PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
February 05 2013 19:52 GMT
#241
If you actually believe that it takes the same skill level to play LoL as SC2, even mentally, you're completely delusional. That being said they're both awful competitive games, and basically unwatchable. At least LoL can actually be fun to play with friends.
Jieun <3
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
February 05 2013 21:10 GMT
#242
Some of you guys are so obsessed with the words such as "skill" and "casual," but it is being used so much in the wrong way that the word is becoming just as meaningless as the word "freedom." Basically, those words serve no purpose except to promote or to slander.
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-05 21:13:57
February 05 2013 21:12 GMT
#243
On February 06 2013 04:52 PHILtheTANK wrote:
If you actually believe that it takes the same skill level to play LoL as SC2, even mentally, you're completely delusional. That being said they're both awful competitive games, and basically unwatchable. At least LoL can actually be fun to play with friends.

The games require different skills, comparing them shows ignorance to both games. Good SC2 players are not good at LoL and good LoL players are not good at SC2. The only exception to this rule is when an SC2 player invests as much time as he did in SC2 into LoL(then he is no longer at the "pro" level of SC2 though) and vice-versa. This is why you cannot compare the "skill-level" of SC2 and LoL. With Dota and LoL an arguement can be made.
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Vorenius
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Denmark1979 Posts
February 05 2013 21:44 GMT
#244
On February 06 2013 06:10 Shiragaku wrote:
Some of you guys are so obsessed with the words such as "skill" and "casual," but it is being used so much in the wrong way that the word is becoming just as meaningless as the word "freedom." Basically, those words serve no purpose except to promote or to slander.

What does it even mean in a PvP game? "More dificult", "takes more skill"? To win you have to be better than your opponent. It's not any easier to win a game in LoL than it is in SC2. If anything the far greater playerbase in LoL would make it more impressive to be champ, not less. Being the best at something out of 30 million competitors, seems harder than beeing the best out of 1 million. No matter what that thing is.

You could argue that a lacking skill cap means that lesser players can win against more skilled opponents through luck, however the top places in tournaments have a lot more repeat appearences in LoL than in SC2. Add to this the insisting whinings about patchzergs and the like and this point becomes moot as well.
I don't believe that it's harder to distinguish yourself as a top player in LoL than it is in SC2.

There isn't really anything objective that makes LoL less worthwhile as an esport than starcraft. It comes down to what you prefer and find entertaining. So please stop this patronizing, trying to make people who like LoL (or any other game for that matter) out as a sorry uninformed bunch of sods. That elitist circlejerk that seems to be going on some places is getting quite sad tbh.
pawsoffury
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4 Posts
February 05 2013 23:15 GMT
#245
First, I haven't been keeping up with the drama over this thing. But here's my opinion on this post.

I've played countless hours of both games. I enjoy both games. Before I played LoL I did lean towards the general consensus around here that it was an easy, trivial game.

I started playing and reading what good players had to say about that game and was easily able to see there's more going on than it looked like and being good at it is not as simple as it might look at first glance. I agree with that part of DOA's post. I agree there should be much less hate towards LoL and other Moba games from the sc2 folk.

However I think it's obvious that these games are leagues apart in what it takes to master the fundamentals of the game and actually compete with others who have mastered them. Nearly every part of SC2 is much more difficult, often even an order of magnitude more difficult, in my view. If someone thinks they are comparable I'd agree with some post above me, they are delusional. I'd add they are probably delusional about more than just video games as well.

DOA is an intelligent and reasonable fellow, I don't believe he is actually saying they are comparable in that sense anyway. In fact it looks like he's admitting they are not, and just encouraging folk to enjoy both games and every game cause they're all fun. I particularly like his point about pro-gaming being a beautiful thing but I'd extend that to watching the best in anything get it done.
Para29
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada40 Posts
February 05 2013 23:36 GMT
#246
After reading a few comments, why do a few members of the community constantly associate "Anti-Fun" and "burden of knowledge" for League of Legends?

To be honest and fair, without knowledge, you will get nowhere in this game but towards the so called "elo hell". This fictitious claim that Riot says "burden of knowledge" leads to anti-fun is so far from the truth that it doesn't make any sense. The consistent release of new patches, updates, champions, items etc. proves to us that you need to have knowledge of the game to be good otherwise you get left behind. So before make another claim that League of Legends is easy to play with the argument "burden of knowledge" and no "anti-fun" mechanics, consider the logic.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
February 06 2013 02:48 GMT
#247
On February 05 2013 19:51 murphs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 05 2013 11:15 jpak wrote:Takes a (former) elitist to know an elitist, and current SC2 community makes the BW elitists look rather tame.


No.

You haven't met some of the die hard BW elitists.
If you think SC2 is tame you really have no idea
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
bLueSkY)
Profile Joined November 2006
New Zealand88 Posts
February 08 2013 04:38 GMT
#248
I don't quite get the point of this thread. DoA is bad at sc2 and LoL, I think he should just be happy he's being allowed to cast either game (still don't understand why him and cristo are casting the OSL.. 2 play by play casters.. really?). Becoming defensive about either games skill is laughable when he isn't good at either of them. The result is a thread filled with pointless comments about which game is "harder", you really can't compare sc2 to lol, skill rewards much more in sc2 than it does in lol considering lol is a team game (and therefore "team skill" rewards more).
Logan_ps
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom118 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-08 11:16:44
February 08 2013 11:11 GMT
#249
Very well said. About 7 years ago I watched silently as a large gaming community (10,000+ members) I helped run fell apart due to players of different games failing to take your logic - bashing the others' game of choice created an irreversible friction and inevitable collapse. I'm sure we were one of many.

All of us are gamers / eSports fans first and foremost. Why have we not learned the lessons of the past?! The stakes are higher now - corporate dollars are pouring in to the thing we love. Embrace Gaming - pro, competitive, or casual. Love the game you love, shout it from the rooftops - spread awareness of our wonderful rich gaming landscape - but don't whatever you do, fool yourself and others into thinking you can bash players of other successful, popular games, without having a destructive effect on gaming and eSports generally.

If you don't like something, don't pay any attention to it. We will all feel the benefit of it. Love gaming. Love gamers. However they choose to compete.
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