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Dsan
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy6 Posts
January 18 2013 08:21 GMT
#21
Good read Cloud,I really like your blogs!I wish you the best in HotS and life,Cloud fighting!
Lip the Pencilboy
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Italy420 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 08:49:51
January 18 2013 08:49 GMT
#22
Well Carlo , i enjoyed your facts about progamers, you catched some valid points about people in general here.

I was always wondering how you would feel among german ( bad sense of fashion overall) progamers( bad sense of fashion too) , must be like Jesolo disco/beach in late july.

ciao ( e viva GigiDag)

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Rainling
Profile Joined June 2011
United States456 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 09:29:57
January 18 2013 09:28 GMT
#23
I always thought TLO, White-Ra, Day[9], Grubby, etc. were genuinely nice people. Are some/most of the people well-known for being positive and mannered actually selfish and disrespectful to others when not in public?

Is there anything you particularly like/dislike about HotS so far? Is there anything else you would like changed from WoL?

Also, great blog, I enjoyed the read.
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15362 Posts
January 18 2013 09:46 GMT
#24
On January 18 2013 09:42 aTnClouD wrote:
- progamers' and casters' ego are directly proportional to the amount of fans they have;

This is so so true hahaha.

Always liking your blogs Cloudman, keep it up!
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
January 18 2013 09:51 GMT
#25
Cloud, Protoss? It's been too long <3
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Bahku
Profile Joined August 2012
United States182 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 10:32:44
January 18 2013 10:17 GMT
#26
Very inspiring Cloud, good read. I hope I can become a pro some day, it sounds like a fantastic life and learning experience.

Is a big part of your inspiration striving to be #1, making money, and generally accomplishing things? Or is the job itself just so awesome that you love it no matter what?

Best of luck in your career!
Boonbag
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
France3318 Posts
January 18 2013 10:24 GMT
#27
Well tbh the Esport subculture didn't turn out so well = [
I really think sometimes this wasn't really mean to grow... or wasn't mean to leave Korea lol.
Watching foreign events is really a pain. They often look like a gathering of dirty boys and overall misfits.
Video games don't end up looking healthy / enjoyable.
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
January 18 2013 11:07 GMT
#28
On January 18 2013 10:34 StarVe wrote:
Who are the nicest people in the scene, ClouD?

First that comes to mind was Dignitas.Merz, he was a really genuine nice guy. White-ra seems also pretty nice to be around and seems very considerate of other people. I also really like Kas (always happy), Rotterdam (extremely generous) and Thorzain (a truly kind person). There's really many more amazingly nice people but these are the one who struck me the most.
On January 18 2013 18:28 Rainling wrote:
I always thought TLO, White-Ra, Day[9], Grubby, etc. were genuinely nice people. Are some/most of the people well-known for being positive and mannered actually selfish and disrespectful to others when not in public?

Is there anything you particularly like/dislike about HotS so far? Is there anything else you would like changed from WoL

I'll take your examples one by one so you can understand a bit more about how it is. I'll be just honest, no need to go around things.
Day[9]: he's overly nice online but not so overly nice offline. I have to say though that he gave me the feeling that he's loyal to the people he cares about and overall gives a positive vibe. I liked him more when he wasn't so famous but he still gives a nice vibe when you talk to him.
Grubby: I didn't watch him interact with his fans as much, but all I can say about this guy is that he seriously takes eSport as his job and he is probably the most professional player outside of Korea. I don't know how he is with others, but he always treated me with respect and gave me some really good advices about life and gaming. Maybe he is not so overly nice in real life like with his fans but he's definitely a guy who gives an enjoyable company and insightful opinions. He is also the smartest man I've met in eSports so far.
TLO: the most fake guy in the scene. He never did anything to me but I disrespect him so much because I know a couple stories that would never make me feel anything close to respect for him as a person. He is also extremely arrogant in real life and disliked by most people. Again I have no real grudge against him and he really did nothing to me but these kind of fake people are the ones I detest the most. He's not the only one though, there's some others who are like this.
White-Ra: as I said above, very cool guy. Nothing else to say really, his company is very enjoyable and he is very happy to share with other people, which is one of the qualities I appreciate the most in a person.
On January 18 2013 19:17 Bahku wrote:
Is a big part of your inspiration striving to be #1, making money, and generally accomplishing things? Or is the job itself just so awesome that you love it no matter what?

Striving to be #1 is the most primal drive that makes a progamer want to win so much and makes him feel so bad, yet motivated when a tournament is over. Making money was never important to me, as long as I have enough to live decently and hang out with my friends I don't really feel I need more of it. Accomplishing something and fulfilling a goal is one of the best feeling a person can have and it usually brings in more goals and motivations.
The job is awesome as it is but without the competitive aspect and the money for many other people you wouldn't see as many top progamers as there are now. Yet most are there because they just love doing what they do.
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StarGalaxy
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany744 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 11:15:11
January 18 2013 11:08 GMT
#29
Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.

Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?

Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)?
Because of your bw protoss background?
If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered.
http://aligulac.com/periods/
If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
January 18 2013 11:21 GMT
#30
On January 18 2013 20:08 OrbitalPlane wrote:
Good luck cloud. Stay positive! I hope you find a new team soon.

Can you give us some insight into the german scene and the german players (goody, socke, TLO, Hasuobs, xlord, delpi etc)?

Why did you decide to switch to protoss (and not to Zerg e.g.)?
Because of your bw protoss background?
If you look at the balance, it looks like protoss was most of the time underpowered.
http://aligulac.com/periods/
If it keeps that way Zerg would be the best option.

In general I have to say the german top players didn't leave me a good impression. It felt like whenever you give them advice they will try to capitalize on it without giving much back and some of them are very sneaky and untrustworthy. One I really respect and stands out from others is Darkforce. That guy is so honest that I can't help but feel appreciation towards him. Xlord is really funny, but even though I met him a lot I can't say I know much of him, he seems a really reserved person when it comes to private matters.

I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.
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TargA
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway204 Posts
January 18 2013 11:47 GMT
#31
good blog))
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MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 11:52:39
January 18 2013 11:50 GMT
#32
I have a question that may not be totally related to your thread, but if you don't mind I'll ask anyway.
We are in a phase of transition between old players and the most recent additions, the old guys are fewer and fewer.
This is twice true if we speak about guys who also played Brood War.
Anecdotes are always extremely fun to hear, especially from someone who has been here since a long time, and most importantly in a scene that was smaller, less politically correct and more genuine.
I mean, Rekrul's blogs are awesome...

I believe that there are A TON of great stories who have never seen the light, but there aren't that many old school players anymore.
Strictly speaking of players, all the people I can think of are Idra, TT1, Major, Ret, Incontrol, Dimaga, WhiteRa, Haypro, Jinro, Nazgul, Nony, Machine... and you.
Too bad that most of them are in a position where PR are what brings them the money or never blogged, or simply do not post here.
In your case and in TT1's one however I saw more than once that you aren't afraid of bringing back some "behind the scenes", like when speaking about payments, Suncow, stories and such.
To keep in short : any funny story that comes back to your mind?
Nothing dirty or too personal about anyone, obviously.

Edit: obviously good luck for the future, you can surely do it..
I think that Toss is the most micro rewarding race, you should be fine with that.

Edit 2: added Nony to the list, surely I have missed someone else...
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
January 18 2013 11:53 GMT
#33
On January 18 2013 20:50 MavivaM wrote:
I have a question that may not be totally related to your thread, but if you don't mind I'll ask anyway.
We are in a phase of transition between old players and the most recent additions, the old guys are fewer and fewer.
This is twice true if we speak about guys who also played Brood War.
Anecdotes are always extremely fun to hear, especially from someone who has been here since a long time, and most importantly in a scene that was smaller, less politically correct and more genuine.
I mean, Rekrul's blogs are awesome...

I believe that there are A TON of great stories who have never seen the light, but there aren't that many old school players anymore.
Strictly speaking of players, all the people I can think of are Idra, TT1, Major, Ret, Incontrol, Dimaga, WhiteRa, Haypro, Jinro, Nazgul, Machine... and you.
Too bad that most of them are in a position where PR are what brings them the money or never blogged, or simply do not post here.
In your case and in TT1's one however I saw more than once that you aren't afraid of bringing back some "behind the scenes", like when speaking about payments, Suncow, stories and such.
To keep in short : any funny story that comes back to your mind?
Nothing dirty or too personal about anyone, obviously.

Fuck TT1, I was on a diet then he came to visit Germany and after 2 weeks he only bought candies, chocolate and kebab and kept them under my nose 24/7 until I couldn't resist anymore and I gained 5 kilos.
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Eskiya23
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands105 Posts
January 18 2013 12:22 GMT
#34
Nice read, from the blog overcoming your depression to this update about eSports in general. Its sad that most people let the fame/publicity get to them, it takes away a very core part of a human; the sincerity. There are only a handfull of people in eSports that are truely passionate and really DO give a fuck, Artosis and DJ Wheat in particular.

I'm glad you are at a point in your life that you are happy, keep up the good work Cloud !
(also I wish to be the little girl so Flash can maek babby with me.)
Wisdom. Judgement. Execution. Stream: twitch.tv/eskiyasc2 Twitter: @EskiyaSC
valaki
Profile Joined June 2009
Hungary2476 Posts
January 18 2013 12:35 GMT
#35
How do you feel about people who generally referred as "such a nice guys", and noone dares to badmouth them?
Who is the most fake among them?
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Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
January 18 2013 13:36 GMT
#36
I have to agree with White-Ra being an awesome guy. I personally met him at WCG06 in Italy the first time when he, Stork (korean progamer) and Ex (Russian Terran, Russian Terrans were some of the strongest in BW) had a tiebreaker. 3 Players, 2 to advance. Stork wanted to get second because it would mean that he could dodge a korean in the brackets and that the koreans could get top 3. Stork would win against Ex and then drop a game against White-Ra hoping White-Ra would beat Ex, but White-Ra and Ex saw through it and White-Ra would drop his game against Ex to force another tiebreak. Eventually Stork grew tired of the tiebreaks and decided to go 2-0, forcing a Korean out of the tournament in the RO8. Still one of the most amazing and mannered things I've seen.

Also, more importantly Carlo, what are your opinions on Stephano and GoOdy?
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10138 Posts
January 18 2013 13:43 GMT
#37
On January 18 2013 20:21 aTnClouD wrote:
I will switch to Protoss for two reasons. First I think Protoss is extremely easy to play in WoL and this won't change in HotS. Second is the distorted way David Kim talks about balance when he releases interviews. He said that it was ok for Zerg to be dominant for some months since Terran was the best in Korea at the beginning, and now that we had a complete Zerg dominance in the past year they will most likely focus on Protoss more.


They will find some way to screw you over. Blizzard is totally bipolar about game balance.

But the good thing is that protoss is really way easier mechanically speaking, and HotS doesn't bring anything to the table that changes that.

Best of the lucks. To be honest, what you are speaking about, was the kind of stuff i found out while watching many of the streams of progamers. Do you think that korean progamers are the same too ?
HsDLTitich
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Italy831 Posts
January 18 2013 13:43 GMT
#38
On January 18 2013 17:02 Teoita wrote:
If you are back in Italy, does that mean you will be more active in the scene here, playing in ICC and whatnot?


As an ICC admin, I'd like to know this too!
I used to organize tournaments for ESL Italy and referee Go4SC2s, WCSs, and IEMs for ESL SC2.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10014 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-18 13:54:56
January 18 2013 13:48 GMT
#39
On January 18 2013 20:53 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 18 2013 20:50 MavivaM wrote:
I have a question that may not be totally related to your thread, but if you don't mind I'll ask anyway.
We are in a phase of transition between old players and the most recent additions, the old guys are fewer and fewer.
This is twice true if we speak about guys who also played Brood War.
Anecdotes are always extremely fun to hear, especially from someone who has been here since a long time, and most importantly in a scene that was smaller, less politically correct and more genuine.
I mean, Rekrul's blogs are awesome...

I believe that there are A TON of great stories who have never seen the light, but there aren't that many old school players anymore.
Strictly speaking of players, all the people I can think of are Idra, TT1, Major, Ret, Incontrol, Dimaga, WhiteRa, Haypro, Jinro, Nazgul, Machine... and you.
Too bad that most of them are in a position where PR are what brings them the money or never blogged, or simply do not post here.
In your case and in TT1's one however I saw more than once that you aren't afraid of bringing back some "behind the scenes", like when speaking about payments, Suncow, stories and such.
To keep in short : any funny story that comes back to your mind?
Nothing dirty or too personal about anyone, obviously.

Fuck TT1, I was on a diet then he came to visit Germany and after 2 weeks he only bought candies, chocolate and kebab and kept them under my nose 24/7 until I couldn't resist anymore and I gained 5 kilos.


bitch plz
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MavivaM
Profile Joined November 2011
1535 Posts
January 18 2013 13:56 GMT
#40
Lol, thanks.
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