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phosphorylation
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2935 Posts
January 17 2013 02:43 GMT
#41
lol i cant believe i read the whole thing.
one of the most entertaining posts in teamliquid.
thanks for that and i hope you write more of these.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 17 2013 03:03 GMT
#42
On January 17 2013 09:33 SamsungStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 06:50 SlayerS_BoxxY wrote:
On January 17 2013 06:20 GeneralSnoop wrote:
To be quite honest, it didn't really seem like much of a fight. You had them outnumbered 45 to 15! Despite what Hollywood may tell people, no matter how big or good at fighting you are, winning a fight outnumbered 3-1 is next to impossible. This is not even close to badass.

As far as I can tell, the tl;dr of your story is: "Me and massive group of my friends beat the shit out of a few dudes over nothing. I didn't even have to actually fight any of them; we had so many people that I could walk just around uncontested and hit people, who were already engaged in fights and therefore completely oblivious to me, with a baseball bat."

This is a story you should not be proud of.


Yeah this is kinda what I took away from the story as well... Which is why I think it rubs people the wrong way how you are kind of presenting the story in a glorified light. The story is sad.


First off, I say at the very beginning why I wrote the story. Had nothing to do with pride or badassness. I'm astounded how many people have said something about sadness/pride/you're a tool etc and have completely missed the point. I wanted to give people an eyeball into what a real knife fight looks like and the mindset of one of the people involved. The original impetus for even writing this story was by the request of other TL members and by a blog that struck me as decidedly fake.

I didn't promise an epic brawl with insurmountable odds somehow surmounted. Because guess what? Real life rarely works like fiction, and most people won't go charging into a dozen knives without numbers on their side. Nor did I promise some moralistic revelation or story of justice being served. It's like kids go through everything expecting a hero and a happy ending. I don't know what gave you the retarded idea that me and my friends were supposed to be King Arthur and the knights of the fucking cafeteria table. Or that it's somehow sad that we weren't. I didn't live my life so I could come to TL a decade later and get kids who've never fought anything bigger than a chihuahua to give me their stamp of approval. I just lived it the way I knew how. And I'd be interested to see how many of you internet heroes would wade into a fight where people are swinging knives, 45-15, bat or no bat. Ofc, this is the internet so I'm sure you're all samurai and have won more one on one duels than Musashi.

And dude, just straight up learn to read. Beat them up over nothing? A few dudes? First guy punches a girl in the mouth, punches her in the mouth. Do I need to repeat that again? He does so on the front lawn of a house full of her cousins. Said dude gets smacked upside the head for it, so he leaves. He then comes back with five fucking cars full of people, all looking for a fight, one of whom then proceeds to kick the shit out of my friend's car. My friend goes to stop him destroying his fucking ride and the rest of us back him up. But I guess all of that is "nothing" in your world.

Nor was it 45-15. It was more like 20-15. Half the cambo guys barely topped 120 lbs. These aren't trained fighters here, they're baked, half-drunk lil Asian dudes. I don't know if you've ever been in a fight, but a 120 lb guy don't hit very hard. And if it was an actual 3-1 ratio, I highly doubt that guy and his friends would have stuck around to kick the shit out of Hakim's car now would they?

But I guess in your world, facts don't matter. Just emotions. Like sadness.

To the Talib/Tariq thing, LOL. His real name is Tariq. Guess I forgot midway thru and just started saying it hahahah.



Doesn't matter what random internet people say, still was a great story.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 03:41:04
January 17 2013 03:38 GMT
#43
Jesus fucking christ, that's ridiculous O_O

What a story....wow. Like... HOLY SHIT. Kind of awesome yet hilarious yet fucked up. That story is just straight-up crazy, definitely sounds like it came out of an insane movie or something lol. But the writing was actually quite interesting, I thought, and I was pretty enthralled the whole way through. Maybe this is Shady trying a narrative in disguise or something, I don't even.

On January 17 2013 11:43 phosphorylation wrote:
lol i cant believe i read the whole thing.
one of the most entertaining posts in teamliquid.
thanks for that and i hope you write more of these.

Yeah, this was more or less my response. Hot dayum.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
January 17 2013 04:06 GMT
#44
Thanks for sharing this story, I really liked reading it

Also, were you using a metal or wooden bat during the fight?
SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
January 17 2013 05:29 GMT
#45
Thanks for the words of support, Nina! Lol, I'm def not Shady Sands and I used an undersized wooden bat. Not a big fan of metal bats. For some reason, it hurts your hands when you lay in a big hit. I don't get that effect half as much with wooden bats. Then again, metal bats don't break.

To the guy talking about being a bitch, landing cheap shots, etc... just lol. Fights aren't about looking cool or being a bad ass or proving how many punches you can eat. They're about hurting people. You take a guy out as fast and as painlessly as possible. That's your only goal. If you can do it without getting smacked in the mouth, that's a good thing. Being a "tough guy" and getting clocked while swinging wildly is the idiot's way of fighting. It doesn't matter how big you are, if you get punched in the throat or the point of the jaw or the nuts, you will go down. There are no exceptions.
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 17 2013 06:09 GMT
#46
On January 17 2013 13:06 Ettick wrote:
Thanks for sharing this story, I really liked reading it

Also, were you using a metal or wooden bat during the fight?


For a possible Zombie uprising, I believe you should keep an aluminum bat. Not only is it lighter, but it won't shatter when it makes contact with a zombie's skull. Most people like the idea of using firearms against zombies, stupidly assuming that their supply of ammunition will never run out. A blunt object is cheap, effective, and will last much longer than any firearm will. However, a machete or bladed weapon may be more effective at achieving one-hit kills. The downside is that bladed weapons may quickly become dull, and will require constant sharpening. My favorite weapon for anti-zombie defense is the crowbar, because it is easy to hold, has a blunt end for traumatic blows, and a sharp end for stabbing/ripping.

I know you're asking because you want advice on which weapon would be most effective against zombies.

On January 17 2013 14:29 SamsungStar wrote:
It doesn't matter how big you are, if you get punched in the throat or the point of the jaw or the nuts, you will go down. There are no exceptions.


Unless they are on meth. Meth users do not feel pain. The only way to stop them is to break their knees/shins, disabling their ability to run, or kill them. The same applies to zombies.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
darkrage14
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada173 Posts
January 17 2013 06:20 GMT
#47
Great Read. I was hooked 3 paragraphs in.
SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
January 17 2013 07:30 GMT
#48
On January 17 2013 15:09 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 13:06 Ettick wrote:
Thanks for sharing this story, I really liked reading it

Also, were you using a metal or wooden bat during the fight?


For a possible Zombie uprising, I believe you should keep an aluminum bat. Not only is it lighter, but it won't shatter when it makes contact with a zombie's skull. Most people like the idea of using firearms against zombies, stupidly assuming that their supply of ammunition will never run out. A blunt object is cheap, effective, and will last much longer than any firearm will. However, a machete or bladed weapon may be more effective at achieving one-hit kills. The downside is that bladed weapons may quickly become dull, and will require constant sharpening. My favorite weapon for anti-zombie defense is the crowbar, because it is easy to hold, has a blunt end for traumatic blows, and a sharp end for stabbing/ripping.

I know you're asking because you want advice on which weapon would be most effective against zombies.

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 14:29 SamsungStar wrote:
It doesn't matter how big you are, if you get punched in the throat or the point of the jaw or the nuts, you will go down. There are no exceptions.


Unless they are on meth. Meth users do not feel pain. The only way to stop them is to break their knees/shins, disabling their ability to run, or kill them. The same applies to zombies.


lol XD. You're right about the meth. There were some crazy bastards who smoked meth and popped PKs before they got in fights and they would just be savage beasts. Totally unstoppable. I watched some guy run through a bonfire once and beat another guy over the head with a burning log. Only much later did he notice the severe burns all over his hands. My advice if you run into a zombie or meth-head is throw the bat at his legs and run like hell. But even then, you have to pray he doesn't want you that bad, because ppl on meth run really damned fast.
ModernAgeShaman
Profile Joined January 2008
Norway484 Posts
January 17 2013 10:23 GMT
#49
This was a great read from someone growing up in a tough environment. Well written as well - you clearly have story telling talent.

I can't believe some people think the story isn't plausible and call bullshit. Some people can be so sheltered and naiive.
BrTarolg
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom3574 Posts
January 17 2013 11:15 GMT
#50
Awesome post

I fucking love guys like you and shady sands hahaha

Inject a dose of something that i don't get to experience in my world
Girondelle
Profile Joined December 2010
France969 Posts
January 17 2013 11:55 GMT
#51
Great read, the writing style fits the environnement, you really lived in GTA :D. But what a waste of time for teenagers, some people just want to get their faces trashed I guess.
pigmanbear
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Angola2010 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 14:54:49
January 17 2013 14:54 GMT
#52
All of the Euro posters are like .... wtf why would anyone do this? Kids in the US, except for really sheltered communities, fight a lot. And it tends to be the adults who never scrapped as a kid who either get their nose broken for saying something stupid, or embarrass their wives because they can't stick up for them.

Edit: I'm talking about adults in the US. Yall in Europe are cool, don't fight if you don't have to
Qbyx
Profile Joined November 2007
Romania210 Posts
January 17 2013 15:46 GMT
#53
"But since he was 15" > "his younger brother" > "He also had a car. A Toyota SUV"

14 year having a car?!

I enjoyed the read actually, but i would add 4 years at least for every body ...
GeneralSnoop
Profile Joined February 2011
United States142 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 17:21:57
January 17 2013 17:20 GMT
#54
On January 17 2013 09:33 SamsungStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 06:50 SlayerS_BoxxY wrote:
On January 17 2013 06:20 GeneralSnoop wrote:
To be quite honest, it didn't really seem like much of a fight. You had them outnumbered 45 to 15! Despite what Hollywood may tell people, no matter how big or good at fighting you are, winning a fight outnumbered 3-1 is next to impossible. This is not even close to badass.

As far as I can tell, the tl;dr of your story is: "Me and massive group of my friends beat the shit out of a few dudes over nothing. I didn't even have to actually fight any of them; we had so many people that I could walk just around uncontested and hit people, who were already engaged in fights and therefore completely oblivious to me, with a baseball bat."

This is a story you should not be proud of.


Yeah this is kinda what I took away from the story as well... Which is why I think it rubs people the wrong way how you are kind of presenting the story in a glorified light. The story is sad.


First off, I say at the very beginning why I wrote the story. Had nothing to do with pride or badassness. I'm astounded how many people have said something about sadness/pride/you're a tool etc and have completely missed the point. I wanted to give people an eyeball into what a real knife fight looks like and the mindset of one of the people involved. The original impetus for even writing this story was by the request of other TL members and by a blog that struck me as decidedly fake.

I didn't promise an epic brawl with insurmountable odds somehow surmounted. Because guess what? Real life rarely works like fiction, and most people won't go charging into a dozen knives without numbers on their side. Nor did I promise some moralistic revelation or story of justice being served. It's like kids go through everything expecting a hero and a happy ending. I don't know what gave you the retarded idea that me and my friends were supposed to be King Arthur and the knights of the fucking cafeteria table. Or that it's somehow sad that we weren't. I didn't live my life so I could come to TL a decade later and get kids who've never fought anything bigger than a chihuahua to give me their stamp of approval. I just lived it the way I knew how. And I'd be interested to see how many of you internet heroes would wade into a fight where people are swinging knives, 45-15, bat or no bat. Ofc, this is the internet so I'm sure you're all samurai and have won more one on one duels than Musashi.

And dude, just straight up learn to read. Beat them up over nothing? A few dudes? First guy punches a girl in the mouth, punches her in the mouth. Do I need to repeat that again? He does so on the front lawn of a house full of her cousins. Said dude gets smacked upside the head for it, so he leaves. He then comes back with five fucking cars full of people, all looking for a fight, one of whom then proceeds to kick the shit out of my friend's car. My friend goes to stop him destroying his fucking ride and the rest of us back him up. But I guess all of that is "nothing" in your world.

Nor was it 45-15. It was more like 20-15. Half the cambo guys barely topped 120 lbs. These aren't trained fighters here, they're baked, half-drunk lil Asian dudes. I don't know if you've ever been in a fight, but a 120 lb guy don't hit very hard. And if it was an actual 3-1 ratio, I highly doubt that guy and his friends would have stuck around to kick the shit out of Hakim's car now would they?

But I guess in your world, facts don't matter. Just emotions. Like sadness.

To the Talib/Tariq thing, LOL. His real name is Tariq. Guess I forgot midway thru and just started saying it hahahah.



1) when weapons are involved, size matters much less. Also when you have numbers, size matters much less. Any one of your buddys will get KO'd by 3 120ib dudes with baseball bats any day, no matter how good they are in a fight.

2) im not saying you needed to be outnumbered or be heroic or have some sort of disadvantage. It just seems like you had such a huge advantage going into the fight there was no chance you would lose. It was more a gang-rape than a fight. You could just micro your wounded back and keep attacking until they gg.

Anyway, i have nothing against you or anything, plus those guys did come to start a fight. And im sure you could kick my ass with one arm and a wooden spoon. Still an interesting read, and the background makes it very believable.
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Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
January 17 2013 18:13 GMT
#55
On January 17 2013 23:54 pigmanbear wrote:
All of the Euro posters are like .... wtf why would anyone do this? Kids in the US, except for really sheltered communities, fight a lot. And it tends to be the adults who never scrapped as a kid who either get their nose broken for saying something stupid, or embarrass their wives because they can't stick up for them.

Edit: I'm talking about adults in the US. Yall in Europe are cool, don't fight if you don't have to

Yeah they fight but not like in movies. Life isn't a movie.
I've lived in shitty parts both in France and South America (someone-got-stabbed-to-death-in-front-of-our-door shitty), and OP's story just seems weird.

I mean, I did get into a lot of fights when I was very young, but clubbing, gang fights, what ? Come on. You'd fight people until you were a teen and then you would either calm down or go to the extreme (=dying at the age of 20 after getting beat up by thugs). OP makes it sound as if it was a San Andreas lifestyle for everyone, but hell no, in Chile the bad people in my neighbourhood were BAD, you couldn't have drinks with them or anything because they were INSANE, with scars on their faces and all... they would've never tolerated a bunch of teenagers around them, especially if any of them had any money to begin with. They were the kind of people that would just put a knive to your throat and ask you to lead them to your house if they knew you were't poor like everyone else.

Hell, how could kids from the ghetto like us go clubbing ? No money, no clothes. Those who had any sort of money were the real gangsters, and they weren't 15 years old. When I was little and we had nothing to do but fight, well, we didn't have anything to do but fight. We'd make fires on parking lots just because we were bored.

I don't know, this whole story is waaaay to "special" or "glamorous" to be real. In my neighbourhood in Chile, a kinfe fight was just about drunk guys or thugs going at each other by surprise, there weren't any large gang fights or anything, that's fantasy (or rare at least). People would just catch some dude in a corner, stab him and run away, and it was over. It wasn't a fucking adventure, it was just a silent murder among others. You'd avoid dark places at night because it was there that such things were likely to occur, just like that, in a second.

And what's the deal with being known and respected by the neighbourhood at 15, and getting in fights with everyone ? If we had done that, wether in Chile or in France, something really bad would've happened sooner or later because there were a lot of people out there with nothing to lose. There's bound to be a bigger brother who comes up to your house one day and smashes your dad's head with a baseball bat. There's bound to be a moment where kids who don't like you would find you alone in some street and kick your ass until you're on the verge of death.

Growing in a ghetto wasn't fun, nor was it a sort of adventure, in my experience it's just daily boredom and violence, and unless you're the most violent of them all (and willing to die by the age of 20 or become a real thug), you'd have to shut up and stare at your feets regularly.

I don't know, I have to call bullshit.
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Romitelli
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Brunei Darussalam566 Posts
January 17 2013 18:21 GMT
#56
On January 18 2013 03:13 Kukaracha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2013 23:54 pigmanbear wrote:
All of the Euro posters are like .... wtf why would anyone do this? Kids in the US, except for really sheltered communities, fight a lot. And it tends to be the adults who never scrapped as a kid who either get their nose broken for saying something stupid, or embarrass their wives because they can't stick up for them.

Edit: I'm talking about adults in the US. Yall in Europe are cool, don't fight if you don't have to

Yeah they fight but not like in movies. Life isn't a movie.
I've lived in shitty parts both in France and South America (someone-got-stabbed-to-death-in-front-of-our-door shitty), and OP's story just seems weird.

I mean, I did get into a lot of fights when I was very young, but clubbing, gang fights, what ? Come on. You'd fight people until you were a teen and then you would either calm down or go to the extreme (=dying at the age of 20 after getting beat up by thugs). OP makes it sound as if it was a San Andreas lifestyle for everyone, but hell no, in Chile the bad people in my neighbourhood were BAD, you couldn't have drinks with them or anything because they were INSANE, with scars on their faces and all... they would've never tolerated a bunch of teenagers around them, especially if any of them had any money to begin with. They were the kind of people that would just put a knive to your throat and ask you to lead them to your house if they knew you were't poor like everyone else.

Hell, how could kids from the ghetto like us go clubbing ? No money, no clothes. Those who had any sort of money were the real gangsters, and they weren't 15 years old. When I was little and we had nothing to do but fight, well, we didn't have anything to do but fight. We'd make fires on parking lots just because we were bored.

I don't know, this whole story is waaaay to "special" or "glamorous" to be real. In my neighbourhood in Chile, a kinfe fight was just about drunk guys or thugs going at each other by surprise, there weren't any large gang fights or anything, that's fantasy (or rare at least). People would just catch some dude in a corner, stab him and run away, and it was over. It wasn't a fucking adventure, it was just a silent murder among others. You'd avoid dark places at night because it was there that such things were likely to occur, just like that, in a second.

And what's the deal with being known and respected by the neighbourhood at 15, and getting in fights with everyone ? If we had done that, wether in Chile or in France, something really bad would've happened sooner or later because there were a lot of people out there with nothing to lose. There's bound to be a bigger brother who comes up to your house one day and smashes your dad's head with a baseball bat. There's bound to be a moment where kids who don't like you would find you alone in some street and kick your ass until you're on the verge of death.

Growing in a ghetto wasn't fun, nor was it a sort of adventure, in my experience it's just daily boredom and violence, and unless you're the most violent of them all (and willing to die by the age of 20 or become a real thug), you'd have to shut up and stare at your feets regularly.

I don't know, I have to call bullshit.


Yeah, I feel the same. OP's story reads a lot like fiction, but good fiction at that.

Reminds me of Mcafee's wacko shenanigans in Belize lol:

http://www.whoismcafee.com/a-clear-and-present-danger/
Zed's dead, baby, Zed's dead.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
January 17 2013 18:46 GMT
#57
Lol you should write a book. I dont believe most of what you wrote but it was still a great read.
Long live the Boss Toss!
SamsungStar
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States912 Posts
January 17 2013 19:11 GMT
#58
Haha, what cracks me up most about the responses is how wide of a range there is. On one side, the Europeans are saying this must be fake. Nobody lives anywhere that horrid etc. Now, on the other, Kukaracha is saying it's too glamorous LOL. But, sadly, all ghettos were not created equal. And the one I ran around in as a kid was in Florida, not Chile, so our experiences will not be the same. Different cultures create different kinds of hooligans, which would make for a pretty interesting book imo if someone went around and did all the legwork to compare the delinquents from all the different regions of the world.
3772
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic434 Posts
January 17 2013 19:43 GMT
#59
And then + Show Spoiler +
my mom got scared and said, + Show Spoiler +
“You’re movin’ with your auntie and uncle in Bel-Air.” I whistled for a cab and when it came near The license plate said fresh and it had dice in the mirror If anything I could say that this cab was rare But I thought, “Nah, forget it. Yo home to Bel-Air!” I pulled up to the house about 7 or 8 And I yelled to the cabby yo holmes smell ya later Looked at my kingdom I was finally there To sit on my throne as the prince of Bel-Air.
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-17 23:28:46
January 17 2013 23:26 GMT
#60
Nice read, sounds a little exaggerated if not fake in some places but still ^^
Katana and assault rifle standoff in a hospital?

Certainly worlds apart from my life. I've never been in a single fight and wouldn't know how to throw a punch if my life depended on it.
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