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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
January 03 2013 10:43 GMT
#21
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
January 03 2013 10:57 GMT
#22
OP, and most of the people in this thread, completely missed the point of the poster. His point was that there could be "institutional" reasons why a person might always prefer BW that has nothing to do with reality. Just like there are institutional reasons why Protoss players one base a lot or Zerg players mass roach a lot that go beyond "hurr durr P/Z are stoopid players".

It doesn't even really matter if any of the nitpicking you engaged in can be argued forcibly one way or another. As long as those are reasonable opinions, and I didn't see too many that weren't, then it's a fair perception of both games.

Unfortunately, we just couldn't resist launching into partisan arguments. Have fun wrestling in the gutter I guess.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 23:53:47
January 03 2013 22:32 GMT
#23
On January 03 2013 17:21 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 16:27 sc14s wrote:
all i can say is:
its time to stop arguing, its like religion, just fucking give up on trying to convert someone to your side, it isnt going to happen so stop making a shit storm for no reason. this is all of you (including the OP)


Again, please actually read the OP. I'm not advocating converting anyone to my "side".

i actually read the op and all you are doing is making more of a flame war.. so you are making pointless articles for no reason then since you aren't trying to convert someone? if its not to start up more shit flinging then you really have no point to the post(Which is obviously what you are doing i.e "OMG U R IDIOT")

my TLDR since you didn't want to add one:+ Show Spoiler +
"gaiz i want to flame sc2 some moar and act liek i have brainz but duntt realize that i am still acting liek a 10 yr old"
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 04 2013 00:36 GMT
#24
On January 04 2013 07:32 sc14s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 17:21 ninazerg wrote:
On January 03 2013 16:27 sc14s wrote:
all i can say is:
its time to stop arguing, its like religion, just fucking give up on trying to convert someone to your side, it isnt going to happen so stop making a shit storm for no reason. this is all of you (including the OP)


Again, please actually read the OP. I'm not advocating converting anyone to my "side".

i actually read the op and all you are doing is making more of a flame war.. so you are making pointless articles for no reason then since you aren't trying to convert someone? if its not to start up more shit flinging then you really have no point to the post(Which is obviously what you are doing i.e "OMG U R IDIOT")

my TLDR since you didn't want to add one:+ Show Spoiler +
"gaiz i want to flame sc2 some moar and act liek i have brainz but duntt realize that i am still acting liek a 10 yr old"


If you would read the OP, you'd see that I'm not flaming SC2 at all. SC2 is a good game by itself, but when it's modeled after BroodWar, you have to expect there to be comparisons between the two. From the way that you're posting here though, I'm convinced that you are going to read this as "OMG SC2 SUX BALLZ" because you've somehow programmed yourself to be uber-defensive about SC2.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-04 00:48:10
January 04 2013 00:47 GMT
#25
On January 04 2013 09:36 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 07:32 sc14s wrote:
On January 03 2013 17:21 ninazerg wrote:
On January 03 2013 16:27 sc14s wrote:
all i can say is:
its time to stop arguing, its like religion, just fucking give up on trying to convert someone to your side, it isnt going to happen so stop making a shit storm for no reason. this is all of you (including the OP)


Again, please actually read the OP. I'm not advocating converting anyone to my "side".

i actually read the op and all you are doing is making more of a flame war.. so you are making pointless articles for no reason then since you aren't trying to convert someone? if its not to start up more shit flinging then you really have no point to the post(Which is obviously what you are doing i.e "OMG U R IDIOT")

my TLDR since you didn't want to add one:+ Show Spoiler +
"gaiz i want to flame sc2 some moar and act liek i have brainz but duntt realize that i am still acting liek a 10 yr old"


If you would read the OP, you'd see that I'm not flaming SC2 at all. SC2 is a good game by itself, but when it's modeled after BroodWar, you have to expect there to be comparisons between the two. From the way that you're posting here though, I'm convinced that you are going to read this as "OMG SC2 SUX BALLZ" because you've somehow programmed yourself to be uber-defensive about SC2.


No, in fact you are wrong and he is right, but the best thing you could do would be to admit you love BW so much you can't be reasonable about it. Nobody can hate you for that.
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ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 04 2013 00:48 GMT
#26
On January 03 2013 19:57 Jerubaal wrote:
OP, and most of the people in this thread, completely missed the point of the poster. His point was that there could be "institutional" reasons why a person might always prefer BW that has nothing to do with reality. Just like there are institutional reasons why Protoss players one base a lot or Zerg players mass roach a lot that go beyond "hurr durr P/Z are stoopid players".

It doesn't even really matter if any of the nitpicking you engaged in can be argued forcibly one way or another. As long as those are reasonable opinions, and I didn't see too many that weren't, then it's a fair perception of both games.

Unfortunately, we just couldn't resist launching into partisan arguments. Have fun wrestling in the gutter I guess.


At no point have I been partisan or unreasonable. Having an honest discussion isn't the same as slinging mud. I'm not actually calling anyone an idiot... it's more of a satirical device that has been misinterpreted to mean that I think SC2 players are idiotic, which is not true at all. Read the OP. SC2 takes a lot of intelligence and practice to play. However, because SC2 is based on BroodWar's design, the comparison is inescapable. Some of the criticism of SC2 may or may not be "correct", but I'm not saying that it is or isn't. I'm saying you can't discount the criticism and say it's invalid because of one's ability to criticize BroodWar, especially if the BW criticism is based on faulty information.
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
ninazerg
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States7291 Posts
January 04 2013 00:49 GMT
#27
On January 04 2013 09:47 deathly rat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 09:36 ninazerg wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:32 sc14s wrote:
On January 03 2013 17:21 ninazerg wrote:
On January 03 2013 16:27 sc14s wrote:
all i can say is:
its time to stop arguing, its like religion, just fucking give up on trying to convert someone to your side, it isnt going to happen so stop making a shit storm for no reason. this is all of you (including the OP)


Again, please actually read the OP. I'm not advocating converting anyone to my "side".

i actually read the op and all you are doing is making more of a flame war.. so you are making pointless articles for no reason then since you aren't trying to convert someone? if its not to start up more shit flinging then you really have no point to the post(Which is obviously what you are doing i.e "OMG U R IDIOT")

my TLDR since you didn't want to add one:+ Show Spoiler +
"gaiz i want to flame sc2 some moar and act liek i have brainz but duntt realize that i am still acting liek a 10 yr old"


If you would read the OP, you'd see that I'm not flaming SC2 at all. SC2 is a good game by itself, but when it's modeled after BroodWar, you have to expect there to be comparisons between the two. From the way that you're posting here though, I'm convinced that you are going to read this as "OMG SC2 SUX BALLZ" because you've somehow programmed yourself to be uber-defensive about SC2.


No, in fact you are wrong and he is right, but the best thing you could do would be to admit you love BW so much you can't be reasonable about it. Nobody can hate you for that.


NO U R
"If two pregnant women get into a fist fight, it's like a mecha-battle between two unborn babies." - Fyodor Dostoevsky
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
January 04 2013 01:13 GMT
#28
On January 04 2013 09:49 ninazerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 09:47 deathly rat wrote:
On January 04 2013 09:36 ninazerg wrote:
On January 04 2013 07:32 sc14s wrote:
On January 03 2013 17:21 ninazerg wrote:
On January 03 2013 16:27 sc14s wrote:
all i can say is:
its time to stop arguing, its like religion, just fucking give up on trying to convert someone to your side, it isnt going to happen so stop making a shit storm for no reason. this is all of you (including the OP)


Again, please actually read the OP. I'm not advocating converting anyone to my "side".

i actually read the op and all you are doing is making more of a flame war.. so you are making pointless articles for no reason then since you aren't trying to convert someone? if its not to start up more shit flinging then you really have no point to the post(Which is obviously what you are doing i.e "OMG U R IDIOT")

my TLDR since you didn't want to add one:+ Show Spoiler +
"gaiz i want to flame sc2 some moar and act liek i have brainz but duntt realize that i am still acting liek a 10 yr old"


If you would read the OP, you'd see that I'm not flaming SC2 at all. SC2 is a good game by itself, but when it's modeled after BroodWar, you have to expect there to be comparisons between the two. From the way that you're posting here though, I'm convinced that you are going to read this as "OMG SC2 SUX BALLZ" because you've somehow programmed yourself to be uber-defensive about SC2.


No, in fact you are wrong and he is right, but the best thing you could do would be to admit you love BW so much you can't be reasonable about it. Nobody can hate you for that.


NO U R

just proving my point ty
Gprime
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada198 Posts
January 04 2013 02:04 GMT
#29
read op and entire thread. my analysis: shitstorm; move along people, nothing to be taken seriously here.
diablo 3 killed my skill.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
January 04 2013 02:35 GMT
#30
I feel like you misinterpreted a some of what he was saying to criticize him unfairly, and your thing about SC2's interface seems really off. I dunno. I thought this was a weird blog, sorry.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 18:51:34
January 05 2013 18:50 GMT
#31
On January 03 2013 14:32 docvoc wrote:
I very rarely see people critique brood war without enormous backlash no matter how good their reasoning is.


And how many people are out there to critique Brood War in the first place? There have been very few posts doing so in anywhere close to an educated manner, and I don't think they've met with any kind of severe backlash. Most other attempts to criticize it seem to revolve around the same few arguments - archaic controls/interface and emphasis on mechanics for the most part, which have been completely debunked more than once in an organized and well presented manner.

When people re-iterate the exact same arguments over and over again, obviously the response is always going to be the same. If one argument is wrong the first time, it's going to be just as wrong every other time it is brought up, no matter how many times it's brought up.

The more it's being brought up, the more likely it is to provoke aggressive replies because having to go through the exact same debates again because people are either misinformed or didn't quite think things through is rather tiresome. Not that it justifies the backlash mind you, but it does explain it.

On January 03 2013 14:32 docvoc wrote:
It is a delusion, especially previously on this sight while pro-BW was in its waning stages, to think that any person saying something bad about broodwar would leave the thread without being flamed. A lot of the time, at least when the more vitriolic of BW players (you know who I am talking about) came to the sc2 forums, their intentions were not to promote good arguments. Most of the time, I found, they came to shit talk sc2, they came to point out that there were in fact no flaws in BW, and most of all they came to tell the sc2 people that they were killing BW just for shits and giggles.


As someone who is occasionally guilty of what you're talking about, I think you're greatly overestimating the number of people who post such things who are actual Brood War players or part of the TL BW community.

I myself have only started actively using TL after SC2 release, and have registered an account mostly to post in SC2 forums, having only seen TSL2 and a couple of MSL games prior to that. I've only really gotten into Brood War in 2011, and most of the times I've criticized the game, I've done so as a "native" Starcraft 2 player - as I am sure many other people have as well, including many Starcraft fans who were quite excited and hyped for the sequel and active players themselves, but were ultimately disappointed by it.

In fact, from what I've noticed, it's Starcraft 2 players are probably much more vocal in criticizing the game aggressively than I remember any BW forum regular being. Many of the same people who are quick to jump into their game's "defense" in the countless BW vs SC2 debates are themselves very vocal critics of SC2 when it comes to design, balance, fun factor, you name it. Many of the notable Starcraft 2 progamers have at one point or the other spoken very negatively about the game, and some continue to do so. My point isn't that this proves that the game is terrible, merely that for the most part, the harshest and most vitriolic criticisms come from within the SC2 scene.

Just because Brood War is often used as a reference point in these arguments doesn't mean the author of the post is part of some BW elitist clique with an agenda. It's probably very likely that they've never even played Brood War actively.
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