• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:25
CEST 22:25
KST 05:25
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27
Community News
Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.3Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)12BGE Stara Zagora 2025 - Replay Pack2Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down1
StarCraft 2
General
Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson." Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2) Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey. I have an extra ticket to the GSL Ro4/finals
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S: Season 2 - Semi Finals & Finals $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games BW General Discussion FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 4
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NHL Playoffs 2024 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 34799 users

Humans Are Destructive

Blogs > 123Viril69
Post a Reply
123Viril69
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Australia31 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-12 02:06:30
November 12 2012 01:57 GMT
#1
I'm sure this has been written about for ages and that many great minds and eminent philosophers have contemplated this topic, but I felt a need to talk about this anyway.

What follows is a quite cynical perspective of humanity.

So three things in general:

1. We instinctively seek order and harmony in disorder and chaos, even if those patterns do not actually exist. But we subconsciously do this as a way to make sense of the world around us; essentially we want to believe that things can be simplified and assorted into neat little packages. We try to find patterns of order and harmony in nature or otherwise chaotic scenarios, even if those patterns only exist in our heads. We do this as a way to make sense of our surroundings, because we are inherently afraid of chaos and things that we do not understand.

2. We are afraid of failure more than we are happy about success. Just like how pleasure can be seen as being the absence of pain, success can be seen as being the absence of failure, and harmony can be seen as being the absence of disorder. But without having ever experienced pain, we cannot effectively appreciate pleasure; without having been through failure, we cannot appreciate success. We have inevitably seen true chaos and true disorder and, to avoid that hell or to avoid being afraid of the unknown or things we cannot fathom, we instinctively seek order in every situation.

When humans make progress, they do so because they fear the prospect of failure more than the resulting feelings associated with success. Because happiness is fleeting and further challenges inevitably await.

3. We are constantly fighting our animalistic urges of destruction. Humanity is, by its very nature, a destructive force. It is much easier and more convenient for us to destroy than to create. Effectively there are institutions in place, such as justice systems and social conventions, that dissuade us from destructive activities. At the same time we are rewarded for pursuing constructive projects. But the very fact that such social rules and pressures exist makes the convincing argument that we must fight the desire to destroy by artificial measures and social conventions. Again, we are afraid of destruction and we applaud construction.

But we cannot deny that there is a dark side to people. We do things not necessarily for ourselves but in an effort to "fit into" society and have a comfortable life not only within the confines of our own imagination but the world and people around us that we can relate to at large. We don't want to die because we are afraid of the pain that we associate with it, we are afraid of what might happen to us after death (the unknown part), and we fear what our demise might mean to people who love and care about us. So, in effect, we create because we have been told by society to do so, we succeed because we have become convinced that success is preferable to failure. But at the end of the day, even if you might be a success with many constructive credits to your name, you might feel a certain emptiness inside -- an emptiness that results from the stifling of the destructive power inside of you.

There is a saying along the lines of "boredom is a breeding grounds for evil". Boredom by itself is neutral and impartial; however, it is the very nature of the human mind that resorts to the negative impulses and the worst case scenarios when the mind is seemingly "empty" and devoid of any thought, positive or negative. Paradoxically, we seek order and harmony in chaos and disorder but, in moments of boredom, we fall back on the animalistic tendencies of destruction, chaos, and disorder. We are afraid of things we cannot understand and cannot ascertain patterns in, and yet we are utterly fascinated by them.

**
ForgottenMemory
Profile Joined March 2009
United States13 Posts
November 12 2012 02:19 GMT
#2
This is why stuff like religion got created = ).

I don't know whether boredom promotes negative impulses rather than just the impulse to do something, to make an impact. Oftentimes it's a lot easier to make a negative impact than a positive one.
Demonhunter04
Profile Joined July 2011
1530 Posts
November 12 2012 02:29 GMT
#3
1. and 3. are manifestations of the same desire - we want some reliability and peace in our lives, but too much is boring.

as for 2, yeah it's true that pain and punishment are more powerful motivators than pleasure or reward. I wouldn't say that pleasure is the absence of pain, though.

Also, ladder anxiety. Ladder pushes you towards 50% winrate, but losses are more painful than wins are pleasurable, so there must be other motivation to play.
"If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow" - SlayerSMMA
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
November 12 2012 02:45 GMT
#4
Destruction, chaos, and disorder (#2 and #3 are synonyms) are no more animalistic than nurturing, order, and harmony. Dichotomies are mere constructs of the mind.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
hoot00
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States77 Posts
November 12 2012 03:10 GMT
#5
you just fell prey to #1
LEGENDS NEVER GG
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
November 12 2012 09:22 GMT
#6
On November 12 2012 11:45 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Dichotomies are mere constructs of the mind.

That's deep, man.
:)
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
November 12 2012 09:24 GMT
#7
So if 1 and 3 are manifestations of the same desire, and 2 and 3 are synonyms, maybe all three of them are swirling around in a nebulous cloud of chaos and confusion themselves. So meta.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
BSL: ProLeague
18:00
Bracket Stage: Day 3
Hawk vs UltrA
Sziky vs spx
TerrOr vs JDConan
ZZZero.O271
LiquipediaDiscussion
Cheesadelphia
15:00
Cheeseadelphia 2025
CranKy Ducklings411
davetesta109
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
BRAT_OK 105
MindelVK 33
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 18445
Calm 3254
Rain 2218
Horang2 1093
ZZZero.O 259
Dewaltoss 126
JulyZerg 62
Rock 37
Dota 2
Gorgc8982
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Grubby2937
Dendi1594
Counter-Strike
fl0m5728
Fnx 1123
Stewie2K226
Other Games
tarik_tv48752
gofns21805
summit1g3638
C9.Mang0604
crisheroes473
DeMusliM414
B2W.Neo249
Trikslyr154
Mew2King90
ViBE88
ArmadaUGS82
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1132
EGCTV932
StarCraft 2
angryscii 39
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 21 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 82
• Adnapsc2 26
• Hupsaiya 21
• tFFMrPink 18
• LUISG 5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3932
• WagamamaTV526
• Ler116
League of Legends
• Doublelift2276
Other Games
• imaqtpie1350
• Shiphtur326
Upcoming Events
GSL Code S
11h 35m
Rogue vs herO
Classic vs GuMiho
Sparkling Tuna Cup
13h 35m
WardiTV Qualifier
19h 35m
BSL: ProLeague
21h 35m
Bonyth vs Dewalt
Cross vs Doodle
MadiNho vs Dragon
Replay Cast
1d 3h
Wardi Open
1d 14h
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Cure vs Percival
ByuN vs Spirit
RSL Revival
3 days
herO vs sOs
Zoun vs Clem
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Serral vs SHIN
Solar vs Cham
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
SC Evo League
6 days
Circuito Brasileiro de…
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-06-11
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.