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Faldinerous
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States62 Posts
November 06 2012 10:58 GMT
#1
End of day feelings: Improving!
Things focused on: The Staircase method, 50 SCVs in first 10:00
Completion of Focus: Quite good, didn't get my 3 in a row, but I got 2 in a row twice. SQ is holding me back.
End of Day Placement: Bronze (Top 8!)

First of all I would like to say thank you to everyone reading this (and there are a LOT more then I had originally expected) for all of your kind words and encouragement and not yet one "shut up newb" comment. I'm frankly amazed at the responses I've gotten. I did get a few low star amounts apparently, but I don't care about that, it was probably people who saw the title started reading it, saw a wall of text with the words "Silver" in bold and then marked it 1 star and moved on. Good for them.

Today was interesting. My wife got a new Sims world or something and therefore hogged the computer all day so I looked at stuff on the forums here and on gamereplays.org. In my travels I came across the Staircase method of progressing. Which is almost identical to what I was doing already. (Where I would have been on step 2 before). So I have adopted that to go along with what I was doing with a built in set of goals AND a nice way to track whether or not I'm using my money properly. This is the awesomeness garnish on a pan galactic garble blaster. So now I'm going to throw this staircase method in on my normal play, probably with more games against AI then I was playing before (especially in the early marine only section)

So when finally got on the computer I played around with the Core hotkey setup, which I think I might like in the future (when I get a new mouse specifically), and then started playing some games against the AI (with normal hotkeys) and managed to get either my 50 SCVs, or close to it 4 out of 5 games! I also tried the "only make marines" play on the ladder (against a 3rd ranked silver player) and got my ass kicked, but I had 48 SCVs and no money in the first 10:00, so it's a win.

Right now my only real problem I have with Step 1 is keeping my money low once I get to the 12:00 mark or so. I've gotten better at building more barracks and starting a command center that I can float over if the game lasts longer and such, so I'm improving there, but it is something I have to work on now that I'm starting to get my 50 SCVs I can focus on something else.

*****
"i should have warmed up against the AI 1st... getting beaten by such a noob is embarassing"
kyzers0ze
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Singapore1073 Posts
November 06 2012 13:15 GMT
#2
shut up newb
+ Show Spoiler +
just kidding, keep it up!
8==========))
Mementoss
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada2595 Posts
November 06 2012 13:58 GMT
#3
Man I wish I could have your motivation and effort! Keep it up your the man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 06 2012 19:36 GMT
#4
That command center you are talking about at 12 minutes, that is your first one? What do you have the 50 SCVs for, then?

I think that you are needlessly handicaping yourself by focusing on specific, while you are in bronze. You should probably just play first and try to get to some reasonable level of the ladder before you start with focused practice.

Why? Because now you aren't even playing SC2 now. Bronze leaguers are astonishigly bad. Most of them are worse than the AI. The skill gap is wider than many people are willing to acknowledge. Hell, I am only Platinum, yet I can probably beat bronzies with just mouse all day long (whereas I can be beatem by Masters on touchpads all day long).

From you post, it seems that you have brain and you are actually using it while playing. That alone should be enough to get at least gold and start hitting people with at least a remote idea how the game is actually played (like myself . Only that way you can see what you actually do and do nod need to succeed. Learning how to beat bronze players is a completely useless skill.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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Faldinerous
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States62 Posts
November 06 2012 20:48 GMT
#5
Thanks for your comments guys, appreciate any and all feedback.

Opisska, that's my 3rd CC that I'm building at 12:00, right now I am doing a 1 rax expand so my first expo is going down at 3:40-3:45. With only 1 CC making SCVs it's not possible to get 50 SCVs in 10:00.

However you make a good point about not needing to do this to beat the bronze players, in fact what I am doing is making it HARDER for me to beat bronze players, and it's supposed to. (for instance the only thing I have to detect with right now is scans, so cloaked banshees are a bitch, but I'm okay with that for now) I am not doing it to jump up the ladder quickly I am doing it to learn fundamentals properly. I could go in and win games and get to Silver and eventually Gold, but I would run into road blocks and THEN I would have to learn proper macroing which would force me to unlearn a bunch of bad habits that I had picked up along the way. From all of the studying and learning I've done over the years I have learned that the hardest thing is to try and break old habits. So this is just to not learn them in the first place. What I'm doing isn't to try and learn how to beat Bronzies, but instead to learn how to play properly so when I get to the higher levels I have a core set of fundamentals to rely on, rather then a bunch of bad habits to unlearn.

Also I think I should point out, that while a lot of people wouldn't be able to stand this style of learning the game it's actually the way that gives me the most pleasure. This way I get to see progress and feel like I'm making steps towards my goal of not only being a Master level player, but of just learning how to play correctly.

I did much the same thing when I started learning how to play poker. I played on Full Tilt for play money, but I played it just like I would real money even though I was playing against people who were TERRIBLE and played wrong I focused on the fundamentals and the proper bets and the odds and everything until I built up a huge play money bank roll, only then did I play with real money and came in with solid fundamentals and technique.
"i should have warmed up against the AI 1st... getting beaten by such a noob is embarassing"
nettleberry
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States201 Posts
November 07 2012 01:06 GMT
#6
You just introduced me to the staircase method, sounds awesome, and I'm going to try it out!
"Right?"
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 07 2012 10:39 GMT
#7
On November 07 2012 05:48 Faldinerous wrote:

Also I think I should point out, that while a lot of people wouldn't be able to stand this style of learning the game it's actually the way that gives me the most pleasure.


If that's the case, there is not much to object to Also it seems that you are really focused on your own game, so it does not matter too much how terrible people you are playing. But still, you will have to adjust for the fact that things (like the cloakshee) will be coming at you much, much earlier when you meet real opononents. Isn't that also possibly creating bad habits now?
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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