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On November 07 2012 03:15 Daigomi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 03:10 Gheed wrote:
I haven't read this whole argument, I just skimmed through it and then read the beer and coke sipping analogy. Sorry if I misrepresented your posts No worries, it's a valid argument and one which I think has more room for debate than just the pure stats. For example, I believe a specific effort needs to be made to fix any such systematic biases, but there are other solutions which could also work.
An interesting hypothetical question: if only a random sample of votes were selected to vote would they actually reflect the voting preference of the majority when asking whether the populus be less inclined to have a political opinion if they had a minimal chance of being selected to express/actualize their views? A kind of systematic bias where the selection of a sample biases the behaviour of the majority.
This is probably more beyond the scope of the blog but an interesting theoretical supposition.
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I usually never vote and honestly I don't give a shit who wins (both suck), but this year I got harassed by door to door Obama supporters 7 times. So I walked across the street and cast my ballot for the republican.
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just voted! 
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On November 07 2012 06:46 deepfield1 wrote:
I usually never vote and honestly I don't give a shit who wins (both suck), but this year I got harassed by door to door Obama supporters 7 times. So I walked across the street and cast my ballot for the republican.
funny how things work lol Anyway although I don't live there I do agree that voting is important regardless of how inclined your area is towards one side or the other. Hope nobody got stuck in a long line.
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I think this quote says it all.
A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
-Joshua;WarGames (1983)
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On November 07 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:I think this quote says it all. Show nested quote +A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
-Joshua;WarGames (1983)
This is so ridiculously against what the blog is about it's hilarious. 
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On November 07 2012 16:32 Antylamon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:I think this quote says it all. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
-Joshua;WarGames (1983) This is so ridiculously against what the blog is about it's hilarious.
I was simply mentioning my views as to why I chose not to vote.
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I hope you guys realize they could make up every single election number by a huge margin and no one would ever know the difference.
Vote if you want to, don't vote if you don't want to. Voting for the sake of voting is stupid, if your going to vote, do some research at least.
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On November 07 2012 17:39 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 16:32 Antylamon wrote:On November 07 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:I think this quote says it all. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
-Joshua;WarGames (1983) This is so ridiculously against what the blog is about it's hilarious. I was simply mentioning my views as to why I chose not to vote.
But you're not even mentioning your views, you're just saying that you mysteriously don't like voting because its "a strange game". Honestly it would be more useful if you could provide some actual reasons, because otherwise you're not really contributing anything.
Even if you're voting in states dominated by democrats/republicans, like tank said there are other things to vote for on the ballot (besides that you never know when turnarounds can happen...there have been cases where the polling turned out to be completely wrong, I know that's what happened in Canada with the Wild Rose party in Alberta). And if you're not in one of those states, then keep in mind sometimes races can be incredibly close (aka florida), so its more worth voting.
Thirdly...if you're just one of those people who say "the system is corrupt, my voice is meaningless, all politicians are crooks", its kind of an extreme paranoia (no offense). The whole narrative that the game is "rigged" by corporations and that it doesn't matter who you vote for doesn't make sense, because powerful interests are spending huge sums of money to elect their candidate over the other one. Clearly they care, or they wouldn't waste their money (billions of dollars..).
Even if you don't like both of them, you can be like the funny lady I saw on the news. When asked why she was voting for Obama, she chuckled and said "the lesser of two evils" . There is no good reason not to vote, unless you're a die hard occupy wall street protester who thinks you're living under a secret dictatorship where money rules everything, and the people literally have no power. But that's plain extremism
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On November 07 2012 22:09 Mementoss wrote:
I hope you guys realize they could make up every single election number by a huge margin and no one would ever know the difference.
Vote if you want to, don't vote if you don't want to. Voting for the sake of voting is stupid, if your going to vote, do some research at least.
Who are these "they" you are talking about? Because I hope you realize that the votes are counted meticulously by several parts spread all over the country, to have enough impact to change a vote in an established democracy, you have to do some badass vote-cheating.
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On November 08 2012 00:25 radscorpion9 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 07 2012 17:39 wei2coolman wrote:On November 07 2012 16:32 Antylamon wrote:On November 07 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:I think this quote says it all. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
-Joshua;WarGames (1983) This is so ridiculously against what the blog is about it's hilarious. I was simply mentioning my views as to why I chose not to vote. But you're not even mentioning your views, you're just saying that you mysteriously don't like voting because its "a strange game". Honestly it would be more useful if you could provide some actual reasons, because otherwise you're not really contributing anything. Even if you're voting in states dominated by democrats/republicans, like tank said there are other things to vote for on the ballot (besides that you never know when turnarounds can happen...there have been cases where the polling turned out to be completely wrong, I know that's what happened in Canada with the Wild Rose party in Alberta). And if you're not in one of those states, then keep in mind sometimes races can be incredibly close (aka florida), so its more worth voting. Thirdly...if you're just one of those people who say "the system is corrupt, my voice is meaningless, all politicians are crooks", its kind of an extreme paranoia (no offense). The whole narrative that the game is "rigged" by corporations and that it doesn't matter who you vote for doesn't make sense, because powerful interests are spending huge sums of money to elect their candidate over the other one. Clearly they care, or they wouldn't waste their money (billions of dollars..). Even if you don't like both of them, you can be like the funny lady I saw on the news. When asked why she was voting for Obama, she chuckled and said "the lesser of two evils" . There is no good reason not to vote, unless you're a die hard occupy wall street protester who thinks you're living under a secret dictatorship where money rules everything, and the people literally have no power. But that's plain extremism
I'm guessing you've never seen the film, War Games?
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On November 08 2012 01:16 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 00:25 radscorpion9 wrote:On November 07 2012 17:39 wei2coolman wrote:On November 07 2012 16:32 Antylamon wrote:On November 07 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:I think this quote says it all. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
-Joshua;WarGames (1983) This is so ridiculously against what the blog is about it's hilarious. I was simply mentioning my views as to why I chose not to vote. But you're not even mentioning your views, you're just saying that you mysteriously don't like voting because its "a strange game". Honestly it would be more useful if you could provide some actual reasons, because otherwise you're not really contributing anything. Even if you're voting in states dominated by democrats/republicans, like tank said there are other things to vote for on the ballot (besides that you never know when turnarounds can happen...there have been cases where the polling turned out to be completely wrong, I know that's what happened in Canada with the Wild Rose party in Alberta). And if you're not in one of those states, then keep in mind sometimes races can be incredibly close (aka florida), so its more worth voting. Thirdly...if you're just one of those people who say "the system is corrupt, my voice is meaningless, all politicians are crooks", its kind of an extreme paranoia (no offense). The whole narrative that the game is "rigged" by corporations and that it doesn't matter who you vote for doesn't make sense, because powerful interests are spending huge sums of money to elect their candidate over the other one. Clearly they care, or they wouldn't waste their money (billions of dollars..). Even if you don't like both of them, you can be like the funny lady I saw on the news. When asked why she was voting for Obama, she chuckled and said "the lesser of two evils" . There is no good reason not to vote, unless you're a die hard occupy wall street protester who thinks you're living under a secret dictatorship where money rules everything, and the people literally have no power. But that's plain extremism I'm guessing you've never seen the film, War Games?
Neither have many other readers of this thread, so why don't you either not make your cryptic 'against the grain' point, or actually explain it?
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On November 08 2012 01:16 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2012 01:16 wei2coolman wrote:On November 08 2012 00:25 radscorpion9 wrote:On November 07 2012 17:39 wei2coolman wrote:On November 07 2012 16:32 Antylamon wrote:On November 07 2012 11:00 wei2coolman wrote:I think this quote says it all. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
-Joshua;WarGames (1983) This is so ridiculously against what the blog is about it's hilarious. I was simply mentioning my views as to why I chose not to vote. But you're not even mentioning your views, you're just saying that you mysteriously don't like voting because its "a strange game". Honestly it would be more useful if you could provide some actual reasons, because otherwise you're not really contributing anything. Even if you're voting in states dominated by democrats/republicans, like tank said there are other things to vote for on the ballot (besides that you never know when turnarounds can happen...there have been cases where the polling turned out to be completely wrong, I know that's what happened in Canada with the Wild Rose party in Alberta). And if you're not in one of those states, then keep in mind sometimes races can be incredibly close (aka florida), so its more worth voting. Thirdly...if you're just one of those people who say "the system is corrupt, my voice is meaningless, all politicians are crooks", its kind of an extreme paranoia (no offense). The whole narrative that the game is "rigged" by corporations and that it doesn't matter who you vote for doesn't make sense, because powerful interests are spending huge sums of money to elect their candidate over the other one. Clearly they care, or they wouldn't waste their money (billions of dollars..). Even if you don't like both of them, you can be like the funny lady I saw on the news. When asked why she was voting for Obama, she chuckled and said "the lesser of two evils" . There is no good reason not to vote, unless you're a die hard occupy wall street protester who thinks you're living under a secret dictatorship where money rules everything, and the people literally have no power. But that's plain extremism I'm guessing you've never seen the film, War Games? Neither have many other readers of this thread, so why don't you either not make your cryptic 'against the grain' point, or actually explain it?
I thought it was more popular O.o.
Pretty much Joshua was a war AI developed for the American Military to activate nuclear missles/attacks in case of Soviet attacks (this was during Cold War). Essentially the AI believes that an actual Soviet attack was imminent (not the case, it was essentially hacked by some kid who thought it was a hidden computer game). The creator of the AI convinces the AI to play tic tac toe with itself, which results in a series of draws (as optimally played tic tac toe, always results in draws), teaching the AI about futility. Then it continues running through war scenarios involving nuclear weapons, and then realizes that any form of nuclear warfare lead to mutually assured destruction, and stalemate. That's where the quote comes in, after the computer learns futility.
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you speak of futility but the outcomes as a result of different elected officials / passed legislation are not equivalent. unlike the ties in tic tac toe which take different paths to the same outcome, different policies adopted by different officials could represent your interests in a way superior to those pushed by alternative officials to be elected.
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Voter apathy is a very important guage of public opinion in any democracy. People need to learn to respect it.
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On November 07 2012 22:09 Mementoss wrote:
I hope you guys realize they could make up every single election number by a huge margin and no one would ever know the difference.
Vote if you want to, don't vote if you don't want to. Voting for the sake of voting is stupid, if your going to vote, do some research at least.
![[image loading]](http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsystem/emoticons/emot-tinfoil.gif) THE ILLUMENATI!!!! OMG
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not voting is still a vote, your voice is still be heard by not saying anything. Think about it.
I didnt vote because I dont believe anyone knows how to fix the economy. Why should I be picking a way to run the government when I am not sure what the best method is. I am not about to vote based on my opinion because I dont consider myself an expert in how governmental policies should be run.
The uneducated masses voting blindly is a horrible horrible thing. Please only vote if you know exactly what you are voting for and the consequences that will come with whatever ideology you choose.
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On November 08 2012 06:47 arcHoniC wrote:
not voting is still a vote, your voice is still be heard by not saying anything. Think about it.
I didnt vote because I dont believe anyone knows how to fix the economy. Why should I be picking a way to run the government when I am not sure what the best method is. I am not about to vote based on my opinion because I dont consider myself an expert in how governmental policies should be run.
The uneducated masses voting blindly is a horrible horrible thing. Please only vote if you know exactly what you are voting for and the consequences that will come with whatever ideology you choose.
If you don't want to pick a person for the position of president (or any other office) then you can leave that part blank. You should still go and get counted as having 'voted' even if you don't pick anyone. That makes much more of a statement than "I intentionally didn't vote... although I guess I don't appear any different in the statistics than someone who was just too lazy..."
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Or I could choose not to vote because supporting a system that burns the moral fiber of my fucking soul would result in less sleep at night.
It's what I did, anyway.
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Voted 3rd party this election for the Pres. TAKE THAT, TWO-PARTY SYSTEM!! >:-D
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