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kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 19:31:46
September 26 2012 19:28 GMT
#1
Hey guys,

I'm struggeling a little with a translation of Seneca's De Vita Beata.

Here's the entire text:
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1. 'Quare ille philosophiae studiosus est et tam diues uitam agit? Quare opes contemnendas dicit et habet, uitam contemnendam putat et tamen uiuit, ualetudinem contemnendam, et tamen illam diligentissime tuetur atque optimam mauult? Et exilium uanum nomen putat et ait "quid enim est mali mutare regiones?" et tamen, si licet, senescit in patria? Et inter longius tempus et breuius nihil interesse iudicat, tamen, si nihil prohibet, extendit aetatem et in multa senectute placidus uiret?'

2. Ait ista debere contemni, non ne habeat, sed ne sollicitus habeat; non abigit illa a se, sed abeuntia securus prosequitur. Diuitias quidem ubi tutius fortuna deponet quam ibi unde sine querella reddentis receptura est?

3. Nec enim se sapiens indignum ullis muneribus fortuitis putat: non amat diuitias sed mauult; non in animum illas sed in domum recipit.


Basically, I'm struggeling with sentence 2. "Struggeling" is a euphemism, that one is complete unitelligible for me.

Google translate is pretty useless in regard to latin:
"He says these things ought to be despised, not to not having them, but not to worried about having".


Might anyone be able to translate that one for me, either in English or German?

Sentence 3 wouldn't hurt as well, just for the sake of comparison.

Thanks guys.

€: Also, not sure if that guy is a total douchebag or kind of cool.
On the one hand, he seems kind of progressive about slavery, but then again he was filthy rich, had slaves themselves and didn't quite live the "Stoa" at all...

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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-26 20:15:12
September 26 2012 20:01 GMT
#2
CHEATING ALERT!!! (With regards to this website, but not really. :p)

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:2007.01.0022:book=7:chapter=21

I'll look at it a little and see what I can tell from it. Well, poop, I was looking at sentence two of paragraph one.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
September 26 2012 21:41 GMT
#3
Google translate is pretty bad with Latin currently. Just glancing at it (not looking much up) I'm getting something along the lines of :

"He said those things should be viewed/held with contempt, not because he did not have, but so that he would not have (be) disturbed(by them)" (this is all in the subjunctive).

I'm not sure if that is any clearer, but the idea is that he doesn't like w/e "those things" are not because he doesn't have them, but because he doesn't want to be bothered by them. That is my reading of it at least (again, I just sight read it).
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
September 27 2012 01:23 GMT
#4
I'm taking Latin in school but I really don't think I can help you. I know the words, I just can't make any grammatical sense.
sorry. :/
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gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-27 03:23:47
September 27 2012 03:23 GMT
#5
What aspect is problematic for you? Break the sentence down as best you can and point out which words or constructions you don't know how to translate.

e: None of the sentence is in the subjunctive.
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
September 27 2012 03:25 GMT
#6
On September 27 2012 12:23 gngfn wrote:
What aspect is problematic for you? Break the sentence down as best you can and point out which words or constructions you don't know how to translate.

e: None of the sentence is in the subjunctive.


Habeat is subjenctive...
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gngfn
Profile Joined January 2009
United States1726 Posts
September 27 2012 03:27 GMT
#7
On September 27 2012 12:25 Luepert wrote:
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On September 27 2012 12:23 gngfn wrote:
What aspect is problematic for you? Break the sentence down as best you can and point out which words or constructions you don't know how to translate.

e: None of the sentence is in the subjunctive.


Habeat is subjenctive...

Never mind. I thought he meant the second sentence; I didn't notice the numbers in the actual text. My previous suggestion stands, though.
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