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kaztah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1221 Posts
September 09 2012 06:35 GMT
#21
On September 09 2012 13:13 sc4k wrote:
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On September 09 2012 12:06 writer22816 wrote:
Then why don't you try playing it instead of making comments about a game that you've never played and looking like an ass?


I've watched friends play the game for a few hours, couldn't bring myself to play it, after having played Starcraft it's like putting the safety wheels back on my bicycle. I understand that people are going totally crazy about how omg wow you have to use teamwork wow it's so awesome it really tests your understanding and knowledge and timing. Right, but it gets rid of all the mechanical skill that proper RTS requires and is therefore the gaming equivalent of using bumper lanes in bowling.

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On September 09 2012 12:25 Cubu wrote:
On September 09 2012 07:42 sc4k wrote:
Dota is a glorified UMS designed for people too afraid to play a real RTS. One hero 'micro'. Fuck sake. It's like downgrading chess to have 3 pieces.

But that's what makes it so popular.


Right, popular amongst casuals, noobs and people who are afraid to play proper RTS...


So how come so many ex-sc2 players play it? Most people I play dota with, including myself, is ex-master leaguers who got bored of sc2 and went back to our dota roots from years ago.
I speak fluent sarcasm.
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
September 09 2012 09:24 GMT
#22
On September 09 2012 13:13 sc4k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 12:06 writer22816 wrote:
Then why don't you try playing it instead of making comments about a game that you've never played and looking like an ass?


I've watched friends play the game for a few hours, couldn't bring myself to play it, after having played Starcraft it's like putting the safety wheels back on my bicycle. I understand that people are going totally crazy about how omg wow you have to use teamwork wow it's so awesome it really tests your understanding and knowledge and timing. Right, but it gets rid of all the mechanical skill that proper RTS requires and is therefore the gaming equivalent of using bumper lanes in bowling.

Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 12:25 Cubu wrote:
On September 09 2012 07:42 sc4k wrote:
Dota is a glorified UMS designed for people too afraid to play a real RTS. One hero 'micro'. Fuck sake. It's like downgrading chess to have 3 pieces.

But that's what makes it so popular.


Right, popular amongst casuals, noobs and people who are afraid to play proper RTS...


Okay, then it's probably news to you that the Dota scene in China is on level with the korean scene in BW in terms of training. And even if you just look at something like 1v1 mid. Sounds pretty mechanically easy right? That's what I thought too until I saw 430 just destroy everybody else in pro games.

I think you need to calm down a bit and cut out the extreme arguments. No one is arguing that Dota is just as mechanically hard as BW (I assume you're a BW player; if you're SC2 then you're one of the biggest hypocrites I've ever seen). But deriding it as a game just for "casuals, noobs and people who are afraid to play proper RTS" is just ignorant and insulting.
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Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-09 11:56:37
September 09 2012 11:49 GMT
#23
I would say that the way in which TL staff have embraced dota as the spiritual successor to BW might tell you how fucking hard it is

The recurring attitude of 'hurr durr one unit for RTS nubs' is the exact attitude I had about 7 years ago, yet I hear am, several thousands of hours of dota later
WniO
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2706 Posts
September 09 2012 13:04 GMT
#24
On September 09 2012 13:26 EnrageD wrote:
I don't understand the argument. It's basically like hockey players telling soccer players their game is shit because they don't wear skates, play on ice, and use a stick.

"LOL SCRUB, You never learned how to skate so you have to kick a silly ball around. Soccer takes no skill, you don't even have to use your hands. What, are you too scared to learn how to stick handle?"

Your argument brings nothing to the table. No discussion can be had, DotA is trash because you only control 1 unit. RTS is king because you control multiple.

Are pro Quake players also trash because they only control themselves? Please.. Offer up something constructive next time you make a post.

loved and played soccer for 12 years - but it is one of the easiest skill sports to play, you basically need to be in great shape and have decent ball control and you are set, once you get past high school its essentially just passing as trying to burn someone is next to impossible, so i would say hockey takes more "skill" or whatever. that being said soccer is BY FAR the best sport for kids to do as its cheap as fuck, shirts/skins or simple colors jerseys a ball and 2 goals. where football hockey requires 300+ dollars for one kid... and in soccer generally everyone can play since there is basically a dozen kids on each team.
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