• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:50
CET 00:50
KST 08:50
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !3Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win2Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win Did they add GM to 2v2? RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1: Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft2.fi 15th Anniversary Cup
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ [BSL21] RO8 Bracket & Prediction Contest BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET [ASL20] Grand Finals
Strategy
Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV Nintendo Switch Thread PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
How Sleep Deprivation Affect…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1638 users

Rachmaninov and the Dies Irae

Blogs > forelmashi
Post a Reply
forelmashi
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
421 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-30 21:48:22
August 30 2012 21:45 GMT
#1
The Dies Irae is an old Gregorian chant from the 13th century that is quoted in many classical music works. Almost without exception only the first seven notes from the chant are used, and more typically the first four notes are used as a motif.

[image loading]

The words are about the day of judgement or day of wrath, and the motif when used by composers symbolized death, fate, etc.

Rachmaninov used the dies irae motif probably more than any other composer, almost as a sort of leitmotif for fate and death, reoccurring throughout his works, if you will.

It is beyond the scope of this thread to go through too many of the numerous Rachmaninov quotations, and I don't deceive myself into believing anyone will be interested. In this post I'll mention two, and perhaps in the future, others. I'll start with the Isle of the Dead, an earlier work from 1908 and end with the Symphonic Dances, composed in 1940 and Rachmaninov's last composition before his death.

The Isle of the Dead
Score: http://javanese.imslp.info/files/imglnks/usimg/6/6e/IMSLP112800-SIBLEY1802.15851.b564-39087009472780score.pdf



This piece was inspired by a black-and-white version of the Arnold Böcklin painting the composer saw while in Paris. The Isle of the Dead was mass produced and loved in contemporary society at the time, in both black-and-white and color versions. Rachmaninov later saw a color version and did not quite like it as much, saying he could never have found the inspiration to compose his piece if he had seen a colored painting.

Immediately striking is the unusual 5/8 meter of the piece, evoking the sensation of rocking, as a boat in a river.

At 1:01 (page 5 in score) listen for the french horn, as it introduces the dies irae for the first time, as if a distant call through the fog (the 4th note is dropped a 5th-interval here instead of the third in the original melody).

The 4-note dies irae motif features heavily throughout the whole piece and you can listen for it. In this piece the 3rd note is mostly broken and played twice so listen for 5 notes.

Symphonic Dances
The score is not public domain yet for this piece.
First movement:



Rachmaninov composed this piece as a sort of swan song. It was intended to be danced to, as ballet.
The saxophone was originally invented for use in the classical orchestra and you can hear an alto saxophone in the beautiful melodic central section of this first movement.

At 7:20, the middle section ends with a variant and quotation of the dies irae.

[image loading]

Things start winding down at 10:16, signaling the impending end, and the transcendent coda begins at 10:37, with the strings sublimely and contentedly singing the dies irae again (10:41) before the movement dies in the same manner as it began. This symbolizes an acceptance and triumph over fate, a common theme in Rachmaninov.

In this particular recording the conductor took it quite slow so there's almost a feeling of reminiscence. I prefer a faster interpretation, where it's as if one is happily looking back at a full and long life. Compare

(10:29ish) or Mariss Jansons.

[image loading]

Rachmaninov, Walt Disney, Horowitz


*****
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
August 30 2012 22:27 GMT
#2
In the future I think you should pair down your pieces and focus in on when and how these quotations happen. How a composers manipulates these things is quite fascinating at times. For example I love how in Love-Death music Crumb quotes the dies irae, albeit in a more obscured fashion, but with the combination of elements creates a very evocative pastiche of homage and retrospection. Always nice to see some musical analysis on TL though.


begins at 1:43
Administrator
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
August 30 2012 23:14 GMT
#3
It's always fun to hear Dies Irae in like everything Rach ever wrote ^_^

My favorite quotation occurs in the Paganini Rhapsody ^^

Fun blog.
TranslatorBaa!
writer22816
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States5775 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 00:51:02
August 31 2012 00:50 GMT
#4
I like it in the Mahler 2 as well
8/4/12 never forget, never forgive.
forelmashi
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
421 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-01 00:45:36
September 01 2012 00:44 GMT
#5
Isle of the Dead is not the only Rachmaninov piece inspired by an Arnold Bocklin painting, the Prelude in B minor was as well.

Op. 32, No. 10, Prelude in B Minor, 1910
This piece was inspired by a painting of the Swiss artist Arnold Böcklin titled "The Return".

If anyone can find the painting I'd be delighted, but I couldn't 3 years ago and probably can't now

Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 10m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft372
NeuroSwarm 155
JimRising 67
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 508
NaDa 31
Mong 9
Dota 2
syndereN1268
LuMiX1
League of Legends
C9.Mang0172
Counter-Strike
taco 303
Other Games
Grubby5778
summit1g3902
FrodaN1226
Fuzer 299
Mew2King43
Trikslyr43
ZombieGrub37
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV40
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 77
• davetesta63
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21923
• WagamamaTV967
League of Legends
• Doublelift4176
Other Games
• imaqtpie2014
• Shiphtur271
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
10h 10m
WardiTV 2025
13h 10m
Cure vs Creator
Solar vs TBD
herO vs Spirit
Scarlett vs Gerald
MaNa vs ShoWTimE
Nice vs TBD
WardiTV 2025
1d 11h
OSC
1d 14h
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
SC Evo League
2 days
Ladder Legends
2 days
BSL 21
2 days
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Ladder Legends
3 days
[ Show More ]
BSL 21
3 days
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.