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On August 29 2012 19:56 nkr wrote:
The obvious starting point is one self, but even if you stop yourself from the behaviour you despise, are you actually changing yourself? Or are you rather just choosing a different action at that point in time to make yourself bigger in your own eyes?
No practical difference, either way attains the goal. If you stop the behavior you despise, you DID change yourself. Why you did so, what motivated you etc, is irrelevant when the consequence is in focus.
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Here you go OP, now you don't have to worry about these things ever again.
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should have been titled "I hate the internet"
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On August 29 2012 19:59 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 19:56 nkr wrote:
The obvious starting point is one self, but even if you stop yourself from the behaviour you despise, are you actually changing yourself? Or are you rather just choosing a different action at that point in time to make yourself bigger in your own eyes? No practical difference, either way attains the goal. If you stop the behavior you despise, you DID change yourself. Why you did so, what motivated you etc, is irrelevant when the consequence is in focus.
But if you don't actually change yourself, rather make the decision each and every time, what's to say you don't revert back to your 'natural' behaviour at any given point in time? Nothing has actually changed
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On August 29 2012 20:04 starfries wrote:
should have been titled "I hate the internet"
Well my point is that I believe people show their true faces on the internet; you act out what you truly believe/want because you can not be touched.
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On August 29 2012 20:07 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 19:59 Tobberoth wrote:On August 29 2012 19:56 nkr wrote:
The obvious starting point is one self, but even if you stop yourself from the behaviour you despise, are you actually changing yourself? Or are you rather just choosing a different action at that point in time to make yourself bigger in your own eyes? No practical difference, either way attains the goal. If you stop the behavior you despise, you DID change yourself. Why you did so, what motivated you etc, is irrelevant when the consequence is in focus. But if you don't actually change yourself, rather make the decision each and every time, what's to say you don't revert back to your 'natural' behaviour at any given point in time? Nothing has actually changed
This is true for everything. Let's say the behaviour you despise is BM in SC2, to bring up an example easy for everyone here to identify.
You rage every time you lose, and BM your opponent hard.
You despise this behaviour because you think it's immature.
You decide to actively stop doing it, everytime you lose, you make yourself say GG and leave, because it's immature to BM.
After a few months, you revert back. You still think the behaviour is despisable, but you don't have the willpower to stop doing it.
Did you change yourself? No, but for every person who beat you and got a "GG" instead of a "FUK U N0b U CANT PLAY!?!", you made a difference, and that's the exact situation we're talking about.
People who act like shits are only noticeable when they act like shits. If they stop acting like shits, they stop acting like shits, even if it's just temporary. Why and how is not important.
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On August 29 2012 20:08 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:04 starfries wrote:
should have been titled "I hate the internet" Well my point is that I believe people show their true faces on the internet; you act out what you truly believe/want because you can not be touched.
I don't think anyone's internet face is their true face any more than their work face or school face or relationship face is their true face. a lot of behaviour is dictated by your situation and the internet is a great situation for creating douchebags.
our ability to empathize is built around being able to interact directly with people, so when we're in an environment without that sort of emotional feedback we lose a lot of that ability. as a personal example, when I first started posting on forums I treated it as I would public speaking in front of a crowd of thousands (which it could very well be) but as time went on I could tell my attitude changed. it's getting harder and harder to think of online personalities as people; I know they're people, but they don't feel like people.
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On August 29 2012 20:31 starfries wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 20:08 nkr wrote:On August 29 2012 20:04 starfries wrote:
should have been titled "I hate the internet" Well my point is that I believe people show their true faces on the internet; you act out what you truly believe/want because you can not be touched. I don't think anyone's internet face is their true face any more than their work face or school face or relationship face is their true face. a lot of behaviour is dictated by your situation and the internet is a great situation for creating douchebags. our ability to empathize is built around being able to interact directly with people, so when we're in an environment without that sort of emotional feedback we lose a lot of that ability. as a personal example, when I first started posting on forums I treated it as I would public speaking in front of a crowd of thousands (which it could very well be) but as time went on I could tell my attitude changed. it's getting harder and harder to think of online personalities as people; I know they're people, but they don't feel like people.
that's weird and a bit worrying. I've had a different approach, I started out basically always very well mannered, but being treated like crap because of every single idiot on the internet changed that, so instead I turned into one of those cynical "idiots".
Nowadays, I just think of how it would feel when people are being treated like that in real life and that's usually enough motivation for me to not be a dick. I do have rageproblems, but I deal with it by being an asshole against people who are flamign or bming me.
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Doesn't bother me.
I mean, it does, it affects me deep to the core of my heart, but in a constant way that runs with me through my soul for most of my life, not in a way that'd inspire me to blog.
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It's ok... come , COME to TL let us soothe your suffering, we do not flame!! ... mostly couse we got ban-happy mods but, but hey it still counts :D
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You CAN change, but its hard.
Working at something with your hands takes a while, but each step you can see how far you've got, and in the end, you've clearly made something.
Working at a degree is harder. It takes much longer, is more tiring, and a lot of the time, it really doesn't feel like the work you've put in is worth it, and has mattered. But it has, and if you stick at it, eventually, you will get that certificate, and be able to say 'I worked for this'.
Now working on changing and improving yourself. That's a completely different level. You're constantly battling urges to revert to your old ways, tangible visible results are very rarely apparant, and it can take a whole lifetime to do. But that's ok. Looking back at how you acted to other people in the past, and how you are now, you'll not only see a marked change in how you deal with people, but also a change in how people deal with you. Granted, this is harder on the internet cause you're with strangers most of the time, but what I was writing about before, and now, reach your entire life, not just online.
If, for the sake of an ideal (i.e. "this is the right thing to do") you consistently change the way you act, then you have changed, and have grown. "What if I fall back to my old ways? (that is, what Tobberoth's describing) Well, 'the thing that motivates you' is what assures you won't backslide.
Acting like a nice person with people, just to expliot the positive reaction that generates, in order to use their firendship to your favour - is pathetic. People will see through you, it won't be satisfying, and you're bound to slip up and spill the beans on your lies/act. There, you haven't changed, you're just 'playing' social interactions to your advantage. See there, 'your own gain' 'your own advantage' and 'your own benefit' are all you're seeking, and you're just using other people on your path to that. It's terrible how so many people act like this, they're so un-authentic.
But how about you decide you want to change yourself, so that it's no longer an act, but you are actually, innately a kind an polite person. Because it's good, because it's noble, because it's right. If you work at that and dedicate yourself to doing good, yeah you may mess up some times, but over time, not only will it do other people good, but it'll grow, develop and develop you into a better person as well. There, you have changed. It really is worth it, even if you can't see that now, or in a bit, or in a while; its worth it.
Don't believe the lie that you're a slave to your genetics, environent, social status, glands and hormones, or current circumstances. Sure, surrender, go with the determinist flow. That's lazy, that's a waste, and a cop-out to what you could achieve if you disciplined yourself to actually reach it! Don't be a looser in your standards and expectations, strive for a better existence for everyone, because that is a worthy cause (rahter than just glorifying/gratifying yourself).
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On August 29 2012 17:40 nkr wrote:
People fucking disgust me. Spend two minutes on the internet where people show their true faces due to not having to face any repercussions for their actions, and you end up loathing humanity.
You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care.
What's the point of our existence and our advancement in technology, if we can't advance ourselves beyond animals?
Hey, at least people are being themselves on the internet. It's the mask that most people put up in real life that bothers me the most.
And the fact that most of the time, you are no different. Have a wonderful day.
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On August 29 2012 21:53 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 17:40 nkr wrote:
People fucking disgust me. Spend two minutes on the internet where people show their true faces due to not having to face any repercussions for their actions, and you end up loathing humanity.
You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care.
What's the point of our existence and our advancement in technology, if we can't advance ourselves beyond animals? Hey, at least people are being themselves on the internet. It's the mask that most people put up in real life that bothers me the most. And the fact that most of the time, you are no different. Have a wonderful day.
If you had bothered to read a bit more, you'd see I never claimed such a thing.
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People on the internet don't show their "true colors". Real people are not anonymous.
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On August 29 2012 22:10 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 21:53 Telcontar wrote:On August 29 2012 17:40 nkr wrote:
People fucking disgust me. Spend two minutes on the internet where people show their true faces due to not having to face any repercussions for their actions, and you end up loathing humanity.
You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care.
What's the point of our existence and our advancement in technology, if we can't advance ourselves beyond animals? Hey, at least people are being themselves on the internet. It's the mask that most people put up in real life that bothers me the most. And the fact that most of the time, you are no different. Have a wonderful day. If you had bothered to read a bit more, you'd see I never claimed such a thing.
I was talking about myself, not you. 
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If you're really hurt, nkr,
if you deserve attention,
do something to help yourself.
that means listening to some of the great advice from bITt.mAN or others
and that means actually questioning your own behaviour. be a man!
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On August 29 2012 22:22 Telcontar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2012 22:10 nkr wrote:On August 29 2012 21:53 Telcontar wrote:On August 29 2012 17:40 nkr wrote:
People fucking disgust me. Spend two minutes on the internet where people show their true faces due to not having to face any repercussions for their actions, and you end up loathing humanity.
You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care.
What's the point of our existence and our advancement in technology, if we can't advance ourselves beyond animals? Hey, at least people are being themselves on the internet. It's the mask that most people put up in real life that bothers me the most. And the fact that most of the time, you are no different. Have a wonderful day. If you had bothered to read a bit more, you'd see I never claimed such a thing. I was talking about myself, not you.
my bad, sorry
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On August 29 2012 19:13 cari-kira wrote:you can decide for yourself what is real. the people you meet in your rl or the trolls (which exist in great numbers in the internet, thats because they use it as emotional trashcan) in the internet. answer should be obvious for everyone that still has a connection to reality. hint: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CneSp.jpg)
You actually have to pay quite a high monthly fee in OUTSIDE; exploring only comes after you provide some cash; the NPCs' AI tends to be pretty awful -as opposed to "incredible"- in most of the cases; the vast majority of the 56.400 character archetypes are basically the same, with like a 0.1% of difference between eachother; the PvP has major imbalance regarding your starting race and social status; the graphics are for the most part repetitive and uncreative, and the resolution could be much better almost everywhere.
Seriously, stop hyping this OUTSIDE game. World of Warcraft, to say something, is much better.
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To the OP, yeah, people suck, get used to it. I like to portray life as a quest to find valuable people from whom many things can be learnt, many experiences can be shared, etc. Think of it as a Pokémon adventure: you have to drive through hordes of stinky and useless ratattas zubats and pidgeys and useless pokémaniac trainers to capture these cool dragon pokemonz and beat these cool dudes inside their own big ass mansions. Then win it all and become legendary. \o
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What exactly do you mean by "true faces"?
I'm sure everyone has a central idea of who they believe they are but peoples behaviours change and react to the social context they find themselves in. For example, you'd act differently among your best friends than you would among a group of complete strangers.
The internet is just another social context where the anonymity and lack of consequences has created a social norm which allows people to be merciless bastards. However unsavoury as this culture is, it's not really a complete representation of the human behind the computer screen, who in most cases probably love their mothers and skip and dance to many a cheerful tune.
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Shit bro, I feel the same way. I can't even all-in or cheese on ladder, but when someone does it and BMs at the same time I want to kill children to prevent them from becoming these monsters.
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