You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care.
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You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care. What's the point of our existence and our advancement in technology, if we can't advance ourselves beyond animals? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ||
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On August 29 2012 17:46 nkr wrote: I wish there was a single thing that made me feel this way, then I would easily be able to ignore it. Sadly 99,999...% of my one on one conversations with strangers on the internet (who have nothing to gain by acting nice) leave me feeling this way. Some people just enjoy being horrible to other people on the internet. I enjoy being horrible to people when i play Warband or Warcraft 3 ^_^ | ||
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And why should I care if I hurt someone? They aren't me and I have no reason to feel anything for them. | ||
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On August 29 2012 17:59 RoieTRS wrote: I'm not going to play pretend, like I do every moment of my day, when there are no repercussions, sorry. And why should I care if I hurt someone? They aren't me and I have no reason to feel anything for them. Exactly, thank you. | ||
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bITt.mAN
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Three things. First, ask yourself why these (anghsty) kids are so mean? Is it a sign that everything is all happy and nice and right in their lives and hearts? Nope. A lot of the time, people dump their emotional shit on others as a way to cope with all the nasty stuff that's going on in their lives and hearts. ~Bullies~ in school have a reason why they're twisting inside, but what's so terrible is the only way they seek to deal with that pain, is to inflict suffering and hate on people around them. The internet also serves as an outlet for all the pent up frustrations and anxieties of kids who can only think to take it out on other people, rather than dealing with it in a constructive, healing, and proper manner. Second - you don't need to let it affect you. Its not like in real life where this sort of hate and abuse is flying around right about your ears, and there's risk of bodily confrontation and proper trouble. Its the internet. You can be dissapointed with how immature people are, but internalizing it and getting down about it will only frustrate you, while not changing the status quo one bit. You don't need to take that shit upon yourself, it doesn't need to affect you personally. In fact, something that is very challenging, but the only real way out, is to work to counter-ballance all the crap people load on eachother. Thrid, imagine how much of a change it would make, and how much good it would do, if for every bad and mean and wicked comment you recieved, you gave a constructive and kind one. That will often seem like an impossible challenge, to 'love on' and forgive these mean people, when all you feel like doing is succumbing to their insults, and gratifying your ego by insulting them back. Turning the other cheek is really hard, but its the only healthy way to do it. Because the more you take of their crap upon yourself, the worse off you'll be, and you can easily turn into the very type you hate. It's called 'denying yourself' and is completely counter-intuitive, and can be very discouraging at first. You'll probably not see any results the first time, or the second, or the third. But if in faith you trust that it is the right thing to do, and keep on doing it, eventually you will see a change for the better in you, and other people too. Its a way to heal the hurt. Just don't be discouraged when you see you haven't finished the race yet, and the success seems so far off. No shit, you're still running the race! Now guess where the basis, explaination, justification, and empowerment for this philosophy comes from <: | ||
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RoieTRS
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On August 29 2012 18:06 nkr wrote: All you did was restate what I said? Your tone in OP was accusatory because you said "you", as in *I* am wrong. So I defended myself. And you said I just proved your point. I didn't restate what you said, I even asked a question. | ||
WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On August 29 2012 17:40 nkr wrote: People fucking disgust me. Spend two minutes on the internet where people show their true faces due to not having to face any repercussions for their actions, and you end up loathing humanity. You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care. What's the point of our existence and our advancement in technology, if we can't advance ourselves beyond animals? Take into consideration that the internet is also the place where 1) most thing are free 2) there are tons of unknown people who scan / make the traduction and give freely work for manga or sub a shitton of movie / tv show and whatever 3) there are a lot of community with people ready to help their peers. Humanity is not entirely bad, and the internet is just at its image. The only sad part about that is that the good part of humanity speaks in whispers, while the idiots always use capslock. I remember a guy saying that watching TV is like watching humanity through the ass talking with people and living is watching humanity through the eyes : which explains why some people think humanity smell shit while others thinks it is beautiful. | ||
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On August 29 2012 18:07 bITt.mAN wrote: You're right. It's terrible, it's wrong, shameful, disgusting and disheartening. Without consequences, people will be as vindictive and nasty to eachother as they can. Three things. First, ask yourself why these (anghsty) kids are so mean? Is it a sign that everything is all happy and nice and right in their lives and hearts? Nope. A lot of the time, people dump their emotional shit on others as a way to cope with all the nasty stuff that's going on in their lives and hearts. ~Bullies~ in school have a reason why they're twisting inside, but what's so terrible is the only way they seek to deal with that pain, is to inflict suffering and hate on people around them. The internet also serves as an outlet for all the pent up frustrations and anxieties of kids who can only think to take it out on other people, rather than dealing with it in a constructive, healing, and proper manner. Second - you don't need to let it affect you. Its not like in real life where this sort of hate and abuse is flying around right about your ears, and there's risk of bodily confrontation and proper trouble. Its the internet. You can be dissapointed with how immature people are, but internalizing it and getting down about it will only frustrate you, while not changing the status quo one bit. You don't need to take that shit upon yourself, it doesn't need to affect you personally. In fact, something that is very challenging, but the only real way out, is to work to counter-ballance all the crap people load on eachother. Thrid, imagine how much of a change it would make, and how much good it would do, if for every bad and mean and wicked comment you recieved, you gave a constructive and kind one. That will often seem like an impossible challenge, to 'love on' and forgive these mean people, when all you feel like doing is succumbing to their insults, and gratifying your ego by insulting them back. Turning the other cheek is really hard, but its the only healthy way to do it. Because the more you take of their crap upon yourself, the worse off you'll be, and you can easily turn into the very type you hate. It's called 'denying yourself' and is completely counter-intuitive, and can be very discouraging at first. You'll probably not see any results the first time, or the second, or the third. But if in faith you trust that it is the right thing to do, and keep on doing it, eventually you will see a change for the better in you, and other people too. Its a way to heal the hurt. Just don't be discouraged when you see you haven't finished the race yet, and the success seems so far off. No shit, you're still running the race! Now guess where the basis, explaination, justification, and empowerment for this philosophy comes from <: I wish it was as simple as I'm letting what people say get to me; it's more that they have this side to them. It makes me not want to have any contact with people, ever. Thus, life also loses it's meaning. Also I don't see the point in acting nice, as my belief is that humanity is evil by nature. Acting nice never got me anywhere, and it has never changed anyones attitude from my experience. I guess I just lost faith. | ||
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On August 29 2012 18:16 RoieTRS wrote: Your tone in OP was accusatory because you said "you", as in *I* am wrong. So I defended myself. And you said I just proved your point. I didn't restate what you said, I even asked a question. You as a human, you and me. I guess you can read it both ways. Shit happens. Also your question was answered by yourself, so I didn't see much point in answering it as well. | ||
Tobberoth
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On August 29 2012 17:59 RoieTRS wrote: I'm not going to play pretend, like I do every moment of my day, when there are no repercussions, sorry. And why should I care if I hurt someone? They aren't me and I have no reason to feel anything for them. It's called empathy, the whole point the OP is making is that humanity sucks because people lack empathy. Which you just told him, with a straight face, that you do. Congratulations, you proved his point. | ||
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bITt.mAN
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Acting nice never got me anywhere, and it has never changed anyones attitude from my experience. I guess I just lost faith. It's called empathy, the whole point the OP is making is that humanity sucks because people lack empathy. Presenting these side by side, it seems to me you want change and improvement, but don't want to commit to being part of the solution. To be completely real with you - get more consistency between what you want and what you do. a.k.a. Practice what you preach. Are you satisfied with how things are, right now? Sure doesn't seem like it. Seeking to only really serve yourself trains you to only respond to a specific type of satisfaction - the type of guilty pleasure you get from only looking out for yourself, serving yourself and doing what's best for you, regardless of how other people feel. That's exactly how the angry kids on the internet do it. Neither of you are satisfied. Here's an idea then: try something else! If you believe people should be better, and know that is a worthy and true task, fight for it! Be part of the change! Yes I know it's hard and challenging. Denying yourself, surely, saccrificing your own pleasure and time, for the sake of serving others, is most definately not gratifying and 'pleasureable'. But that's the point. But if you stick to it, and actually try hard enough rather than giving up before the seeds you've planted have grown to bear fruit, you'll get a type of satisfaction that is completely different than the 'pleasure-for-me' I was describing. This, is actual satisfaction. And only IT is worth it. That other stuff is a lie, a fake, a hack, and a joke compared to the serenity and assurance generated from doing the right thing. Try it. And try it again. You will be properly satisfied, I promise. | ||
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Acting nice never got me anywhere, and it has never changed anyones attitude from my experience. I guess I just lost faith. Eh,how about maybe actually be nice and not act? Sure some people are genuine douche bags but a lot of people will appreciate if you are kind to them. | ||
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On August 29 2012 18:57 bITt.mAN wrote: nkr: Show nested quote + Acting nice never got me anywhere, and it has never changed anyones attitude from my experience. I guess I just lost faith. Show nested quote + It's called empathy, the whole point the OP is making is that humanity sucks because people lack empathy. Presenting these side by side, it seems to me you want change and improvement, but don't want to commit to being part of the solution. To be completely real with you - get more consistency between what you want and what you do. a.k.a. Practice what you preach. Are you satisfied with how things are, right now? Sure doesn't seem like it. Seeking to only really serve yourself trains you to only respond to a specific type of satisfaction - the type of guilty pleasure you get from only looking out for yourself, serving yourself and doing what's best for you, regardless of how other people feel. That's exactly how the angry kids on the internet do it. Neither of you are satisfied. Here's an idea then: try something else! If you believe people should be better, and know that is a worthy and true task, fight for it! Be part of the change! Yes I know it's hard and challenging. Denying yourself, surely, saccrificing your own pleasure and time, for the sake of serving others, is most definately not gratifying and 'pleasureable'. But that's the point. But if you stick to it, and actually try hard enough rather than giving up before the seeds you've planted have grown to bear fruit, you'll get a type of satisfaction that is completely different than the 'pleasure-for-me' I was describing. This, is actual satisfaction. And only IT is worth it. That other stuff is a lie, a fake, a hack, and a joke compared to the serenity and assurance generated from doing the right thing. Try it. And try it again. You will be properly satisfied, I promise. I actually didn't write that. Don't take someone elses interpretation and judge me by it. I'm not asking people to change, I doubt it's even possible, I just stated my own frustration and sadness over what I observe. Edit: by "lost faith" I mean that I used to believe people were good, but now I don't. | ||
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On August 29 2012 19:08 TheKefka wrote: Show nested quote + Acting nice never got me anywhere, and it has never changed anyones attitude from my experience. I guess I just lost faith. Eh,how about maybe actually be nice and not act? Sure some people are genuine douche bags but a lot of people will appreciate if you are kind to them. Don't read it so literally. By acting nice I meant actually being nice. | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On August 29 2012 19:10 nkr wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 18:57 bITt.mAN wrote: nkr: Acting nice never got me anywhere, and it has never changed anyones attitude from my experience. I guess I just lost faith. It's called empathy, the whole point the OP is making is that humanity sucks because people lack empathy. Presenting these side by side, it seems to me you want change and improvement, but don't want to commit to being part of the solution. To be completely real with you - get more consistency between what you want and what you do. a.k.a. Practice what you preach. Are you satisfied with how things are, right now? Sure doesn't seem like it. Seeking to only really serve yourself trains you to only respond to a specific type of satisfaction - the type of guilty pleasure you get from only looking out for yourself, serving yourself and doing what's best for you, regardless of how other people feel. That's exactly how the angry kids on the internet do it. Neither of you are satisfied. Here's an idea then: try something else! If you believe people should be better, and know that is a worthy and true task, fight for it! Be part of the change! Yes I know it's hard and challenging. Denying yourself, surely, saccrificing your own pleasure and time, for the sake of serving others, is most definately not gratifying and 'pleasureable'. But that's the point. But if you stick to it, and actually try hard enough rather than giving up before the seeds you've planted have grown to bear fruit, you'll get a type of satisfaction that is completely different than the 'pleasure-for-me' I was describing. This, is actual satisfaction. And only IT is worth it. That other stuff is a lie, a fake, a hack, and a joke compared to the serenity and assurance generated from doing the right thing. Try it. And try it again. You will be properly satisfied, I promise. I actually didn't write that. Don't take someone elses interpretation and judge me by it. I'm not asking people to change, I doubt it's even possible, I just stated my own frustration and sadness over what I observe. Edit: by "lost faith" I mean that I used to believe people were good, but now I don't. You're more or less saying "People suck because they lack empathy. And I do too." The fact is, tons of people are egoistical douchebags, but tons of people aren't. Unfortunately, you seem to have a problem with the first group, while being part of it. | ||
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Look at yourself. Hatefull people made you hate people.I did nothing wrong to you and you hate me. Are you any better? | ||
cari-kira
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the people you meet in your rl or the trolls (which exist in great numbers in the internet, thats because they use it as emotional trashcan) in the internet. answer should be obvious for everyone that still has a connection to reality. hint: ![]() | ||
cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
On August 29 2012 19:13 Pro gamer registerin wrote: i, as 1/7 000 000 of humanity , want to be judged based on my action , not on action of some other 1/7 000 000 . Look at yourself. Hatefull people made you hate people.I did nothing wrong to you and you hate me. Are you any better? sorry to be an asshole (as the op would propably see it), but you got it a bit wrong with the zeros.. | ||
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On August 29 2012 19:15 cari-kira wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 19:13 Pro gamer registerin wrote: i, as 1/7 000 000 of humanity , want to be judged based on my action , not on action of some other 1/7 000 000 . Look at yourself. Hatefull people made you hate people.I did nothing wrong to you and you hate me. Are you any better? sorry to be an asshole (as the op would propably see it), but you got it a bit wrong with the zeros.. The Destructor of Points! | ||
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On August 29 2012 19:21 cari-kira wrote: im so sorry > ![]() you know..i am really nice guy , i would never hurt a fly ,full of emphaty and understanding, but i am going to kill for this. | ||
nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On August 29 2012 19:13 Tobberoth wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 19:10 nkr wrote: On August 29 2012 18:57 bITt.mAN wrote: nkr: Acting nice never got me anywhere, and it has never changed anyones attitude from my experience. I guess I just lost faith. It's called empathy, the whole point the OP is making is that humanity sucks because people lack empathy. Presenting these side by side, it seems to me you want change and improvement, but don't want to commit to being part of the solution. To be completely real with you - get more consistency between what you want and what you do. a.k.a. Practice what you preach. Are you satisfied with how things are, right now? Sure doesn't seem like it. Seeking to only really serve yourself trains you to only respond to a specific type of satisfaction - the type of guilty pleasure you get from only looking out for yourself, serving yourself and doing what's best for you, regardless of how other people feel. That's exactly how the angry kids on the internet do it. Neither of you are satisfied. Here's an idea then: try something else! If you believe people should be better, and know that is a worthy and true task, fight for it! Be part of the change! Yes I know it's hard and challenging. Denying yourself, surely, saccrificing your own pleasure and time, for the sake of serving others, is most definately not gratifying and 'pleasureable'. But that's the point. But if you stick to it, and actually try hard enough rather than giving up before the seeds you've planted have grown to bear fruit, you'll get a type of satisfaction that is completely different than the 'pleasure-for-me' I was describing. This, is actual satisfaction. And only IT is worth it. That other stuff is a lie, a fake, a hack, and a joke compared to the serenity and assurance generated from doing the right thing. Try it. And try it again. You will be properly satisfied, I promise. I actually didn't write that. Don't take someone elses interpretation and judge me by it. I'm not asking people to change, I doubt it's even possible, I just stated my own frustration and sadness over what I observe. Edit: by "lost faith" I mean that I used to believe people were good, but now I don't. You're more or less saying "People suck because they lack empathy. And I do too." The fact is, tons of people are egoistical douchebags, but tons of people aren't. Unfortunately, you seem to have a problem with the first group, while being part of it. I believe people have empathy when it benefits them. I guess it comes down to how you define empathy | ||
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On August 29 2012 19:13 Pro gamer registerin wrote: i, as 1/7 000 000 of humanity , want to be judged based on my action , not on action of some other 1/7 000 000 . Look at yourself. Hatefull people made you hate people.I did nothing wrong to you and you hate me. Are you any better? No, I never claimed to be any better. I am a person as any other. I have a dark side like anyone else, but I don't dislike it any less. | ||
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On August 29 2012 19:22 Jinsho wrote: And yet here you are, posting on a forum on the internet how much you hate everyone. You are part of the problem, OP. I never claimed to be the saviour of humanity or some saint. I am a part of humanity, and humanity is the problem in my eyes. Of course I am a part of the problem. | ||
cari-kira
Germany655 Posts
On August 29 2012 19:23 Pro gamer registerin wrote: you know..i am really nice guy , i would never hurt a fly ,full of emphaty and understanding, but i am going to kill for this. thats exactly what i intended with this:p | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On August 29 2012 19:28 nkr wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 19:13 Tobberoth wrote: On August 29 2012 19:10 nkr wrote: On August 29 2012 18:57 bITt.mAN wrote: nkr: Acting nice never got me anywhere, and it has never changed anyones attitude from my experience. I guess I just lost faith. It's called empathy, the whole point the OP is making is that humanity sucks because people lack empathy. Presenting these side by side, it seems to me you want change and improvement, but don't want to commit to being part of the solution. To be completely real with you - get more consistency between what you want and what you do. a.k.a. Practice what you preach. Are you satisfied with how things are, right now? Sure doesn't seem like it. Seeking to only really serve yourself trains you to only respond to a specific type of satisfaction - the type of guilty pleasure you get from only looking out for yourself, serving yourself and doing what's best for you, regardless of how other people feel. That's exactly how the angry kids on the internet do it. Neither of you are satisfied. Here's an idea then: try something else! If you believe people should be better, and know that is a worthy and true task, fight for it! Be part of the change! Yes I know it's hard and challenging. Denying yourself, surely, saccrificing your own pleasure and time, for the sake of serving others, is most definately not gratifying and 'pleasureable'. But that's the point. But if you stick to it, and actually try hard enough rather than giving up before the seeds you've planted have grown to bear fruit, you'll get a type of satisfaction that is completely different than the 'pleasure-for-me' I was describing. This, is actual satisfaction. And only IT is worth it. That other stuff is a lie, a fake, a hack, and a joke compared to the serenity and assurance generated from doing the right thing. Try it. And try it again. You will be properly satisfied, I promise. I actually didn't write that. Don't take someone elses interpretation and judge me by it. I'm not asking people to change, I doubt it's even possible, I just stated my own frustration and sadness over what I observe. Edit: by "lost faith" I mean that I used to believe people were good, but now I don't. You're more or less saying "People suck because they lack empathy. And I do too." The fact is, tons of people are egoistical douchebags, but tons of people aren't. Unfortunately, you seem to have a problem with the first group, while being part of it. I believe people have empathy when it benefits them. I guess it comes down to how you define empathy People might very well be egoistical by nature, but it doesn't matter if you do nice things because of egoistical reasons, because you still did a nice thing. Let's say you fall on your ass when walking on some ice. I see you fall, come over and help you up. Does it really matter if I did it to feel proud about how nice I am, or because I want to hear you say thank you? No, it's irrelevant, it still helps you, my reasons for helping you don't affect you negatively. Some people actively act nice, all the time, because they have noticed great benefits from it (which is egoistical), and these also happen to be awesome people. | ||
bITt.mAN
Switzerland3691 Posts
On August 29 2012 19:32 nkr wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 19:22 Jinsho wrote: And yet here you are, posting on a forum on the internet how much you hate everyone. You are part of the problem, OP. I never claimed to be the saviour of humanity or some saint. I am a part of humanity, and humanity is the problem in my eyes. Of course I am a part of the problem. To be harsh: ok, I can understand its frustrating, and some times you just need to vent. But there's more you can do about it than just complain, you CAN do something about it, but for that you'd have do work at something that doesn't directly serve yourself, if you can handle that hardcore-mode-empathy. | ||
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On August 29 2012 19:40 bITt.mAN wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 19:32 nkr wrote: On August 29 2012 19:22 Jinsho wrote: And yet here you are, posting on a forum on the internet how much you hate everyone. You are part of the problem, OP. I never claimed to be the saviour of humanity or some saint. I am a part of humanity, and humanity is the problem in my eyes. Of course I am a part of the problem. To be harsh: ok, I can understand its frustrating, and some times you just need to vent. But there's more you can do about it than just complain, you CAN do something about it, but for that you'd have do work at something that doesn't directly serve yourself, if you can handle that hardcore-mode-empathy. Do you believe that you can change how people function? I am not so sure it's possible, and even if it were, how? The obvious starting point is one self, but even if you stop yourself from the behaviour you despise, are you actually changing yourself? Or are you rather just choosing a different action at that point in time to make yourself bigger in your own eyes? | ||
NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
I dont understand why some people consider it to be perfectly fine to basically harass and abuse complete strangers as much as they want. I dont understand why people find joy in scarring others. I wish I was a creepy stalker so I'd find out where every single immature teenager/ punk / asshole who acts like this lives. Then I'd kick him in his balls. Not because ranting and immature namecalling gets to me, because It doesnt, but because these assholes cant act like decent human beings and deserve some kicking in the crotch. | ||
Tobberoth
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On August 29 2012 19:56 nkr wrote: The obvious starting point is one self, but even if you stop yourself from the behaviour you despise, are you actually changing yourself? Or are you rather just choosing a different action at that point in time to make yourself bigger in your own eyes? No practical difference, either way attains the goal. If you stop the behavior you despise, you DID change yourself. Why you did so, what motivated you etc, is irrelevant when the consequence is in focus. | ||
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On August 29 2012 19:59 Tobberoth wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 19:56 nkr wrote: The obvious starting point is one self, but even if you stop yourself from the behaviour you despise, are you actually changing yourself? Or are you rather just choosing a different action at that point in time to make yourself bigger in your own eyes? No practical difference, either way attains the goal. If you stop the behavior you despise, you DID change yourself. Why you did so, what motivated you etc, is irrelevant when the consequence is in focus. But if you don't actually change yourself, rather make the decision each and every time, what's to say you don't revert back to your 'natural' behaviour at any given point in time? Nothing has actually changed | ||
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On August 29 2012 20:04 starfries wrote: should have been titled "I hate the internet" Well my point is that I believe people show their true faces on the internet; you act out what you truly believe/want because you can not be touched. | ||
Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On August 29 2012 20:07 nkr wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 19:59 Tobberoth wrote: On August 29 2012 19:56 nkr wrote: The obvious starting point is one self, but even if you stop yourself from the behaviour you despise, are you actually changing yourself? Or are you rather just choosing a different action at that point in time to make yourself bigger in your own eyes? No practical difference, either way attains the goal. If you stop the behavior you despise, you DID change yourself. Why you did so, what motivated you etc, is irrelevant when the consequence is in focus. But if you don't actually change yourself, rather make the decision each and every time, what's to say you don't revert back to your 'natural' behaviour at any given point in time? Nothing has actually changed This is true for everything. Let's say the behaviour you despise is BM in SC2, to bring up an example easy for everyone here to identify. You rage every time you lose, and BM your opponent hard. You despise this behaviour because you think it's immature. You decide to actively stop doing it, everytime you lose, you make yourself say GG and leave, because it's immature to BM. After a few months, you revert back. You still think the behaviour is despisable, but you don't have the willpower to stop doing it. Did you change yourself? No, but for every person who beat you and got a "GG" instead of a "FUK U N0b U CANT PLAY!?!", you made a difference, and that's the exact situation we're talking about. People who act like shits are only noticeable when they act like shits. If they stop acting like shits, they stop acting like shits, even if it's just temporary. Why and how is not important. | ||
starfries
Canada3508 Posts
On August 29 2012 20:08 nkr wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 20:04 starfries wrote: should have been titled "I hate the internet" Well my point is that I believe people show their true faces on the internet; you act out what you truly believe/want because you can not be touched. I don't think anyone's internet face is their true face any more than their work face or school face or relationship face is their true face. a lot of behaviour is dictated by your situation and the internet is a great situation for creating douchebags. our ability to empathize is built around being able to interact directly with people, so when we're in an environment without that sort of emotional feedback we lose a lot of that ability. as a personal example, when I first started posting on forums I treated it as I would public speaking in front of a crowd of thousands (which it could very well be) but as time went on I could tell my attitude changed. it's getting harder and harder to think of online personalities as people; I know they're people, but they don't feel like people. | ||
NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On August 29 2012 20:31 starfries wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 20:08 nkr wrote: On August 29 2012 20:04 starfries wrote: should have been titled "I hate the internet" Well my point is that I believe people show their true faces on the internet; you act out what you truly believe/want because you can not be touched. I don't think anyone's internet face is their true face any more than their work face or school face or relationship face is their true face. a lot of behaviour is dictated by your situation and the internet is a great situation for creating douchebags. our ability to empathize is built around being able to interact directly with people, so when we're in an environment without that sort of emotional feedback we lose a lot of that ability. as a personal example, when I first started posting on forums I treated it as I would public speaking in front of a crowd of thousands (which it could very well be) but as time went on I could tell my attitude changed. it's getting harder and harder to think of online personalities as people; I know they're people, but they don't feel like people. that's weird and a bit worrying. I've had a different approach, I started out basically always very well mannered, but being treated like crap because of every single idiot on the internet changed that, so instead I turned into one of those cynical "idiots". Nowadays, I just think of how it would feel when people are being treated like that in real life and that's usually enough motivation for me to not be a dick. I do have rageproblems, but I deal with it by being an asshole against people who are flamign or bming me. | ||
EnE
417 Posts
I mean, it does, it affects me deep to the core of my heart, but in a constant way that runs with me through my soul for most of my life, not in a way that'd inspire me to blog. | ||
Rossen
Denmark177 Posts
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bITt.mAN
Switzerland3691 Posts
Working at something with your hands takes a while, but each step you can see how far you've got, and in the end, you've clearly made something. Working at a degree is harder. It takes much longer, is more tiring, and a lot of the time, it really doesn't feel like the work you've put in is worth it, and has mattered. But it has, and if you stick at it, eventually, you will get that certificate, and be able to say 'I worked for this'. Now working on changing and improving yourself. That's a completely different level. You're constantly battling urges to revert to your old ways, tangible visible results are very rarely apparant, and it can take a whole lifetime to do. But that's ok. Looking back at how you acted to other people in the past, and how you are now, you'll not only see a marked change in how you deal with people, but also a change in how people deal with you. Granted, this is harder on the internet cause you're with strangers most of the time, but what I was writing about before, and now, reach your entire life, not just online. If, for the sake of an ideal (i.e. "this is the right thing to do") you consistently change the way you act, then you have changed, and have grown. "What if I fall back to my old ways? (that is, what Tobberoth's describing) Well, 'the thing that motivates you' is what assures you won't backslide. Acting like a nice person with people, just to expliot the positive reaction that generates, in order to use their firendship to your favour - is pathetic. People will see through you, it won't be satisfying, and you're bound to slip up and spill the beans on your lies/act. There, you haven't changed, you're just 'playing' social interactions to your advantage. See there, 'your own gain' 'your own advantage' and 'your own benefit' are all you're seeking, and you're just using other people on your path to that. It's terrible how so many people act like this, they're so un-authentic. But how about you decide you want to change yourself, so that it's no longer an act, but you are actually, innately a kind an polite person. Because it's good, because it's noble, because it's right. If you work at that and dedicate yourself to doing good, yeah you may mess up some times, but over time, not only will it do other people good, but it'll grow, develop and develop you into a better person as well. There, you have changed. It really is worth it, even if you can't see that now, or in a bit, or in a while; its worth it. Don't believe the lie that you're a slave to your genetics, environent, social status, glands and hormones, or current circumstances. Sure, surrender, go with the determinist flow. That's lazy, that's a waste, and a cop-out to what you could achieve if you disciplined yourself to actually reach it! Don't be a looser in your standards and expectations, strive for a better existence for everyone, because that is a worthy cause (rahter than just glorifying/gratifying yourself). | ||
Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On August 29 2012 17:40 nkr wrote: People fucking disgust me. Spend two minutes on the internet where people show their true faces due to not having to face any repercussions for their actions, and you end up loathing humanity. You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care. What's the point of our existence and our advancement in technology, if we can't advance ourselves beyond animals? Hey, at least people are being themselves on the internet. It's the mask that most people put up in real life that bothers me the most. And the fact that most of the time, you are no different. Have a wonderful day. | ||
nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On August 29 2012 21:53 Telcontar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 17:40 nkr wrote: People fucking disgust me. Spend two minutes on the internet where people show their true faces due to not having to face any repercussions for their actions, and you end up loathing humanity. You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care. What's the point of our existence and our advancement in technology, if we can't advance ourselves beyond animals? Hey, at least people are being themselves on the internet. It's the mask that most people put up in real life that bothers me the most. And the fact that most of the time, you are no different. Have a wonderful day. If you had bothered to read a bit more, you'd see I never claimed such a thing. | ||
Djzapz
Canada10681 Posts
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On August 29 2012 22:10 nkr wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 21:53 Telcontar wrote: On August 29 2012 17:40 nkr wrote: People fucking disgust me. Spend two minutes on the internet where people show their true faces due to not having to face any repercussions for their actions, and you end up loathing humanity. You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care. What's the point of our existence and our advancement in technology, if we can't advance ourselves beyond animals? Hey, at least people are being themselves on the internet. It's the mask that most people put up in real life that bothers me the most. And the fact that most of the time, you are no different. Have a wonderful day. If you had bothered to read a bit more, you'd see I never claimed such a thing. I was talking about myself, not you. ![]() | ||
meteorskunk
Canada546 Posts
if you deserve attention, do something to help yourself. that means listening to some of the great advice from bITt.mAN or others and that means actually questioning your own behaviour. be a man! | ||
nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On August 29 2012 22:22 Telcontar wrote: Show nested quote + On August 29 2012 22:10 nkr wrote: On August 29 2012 21:53 Telcontar wrote: On August 29 2012 17:40 nkr wrote: People fucking disgust me. Spend two minutes on the internet where people show their true faces due to not having to face any repercussions for their actions, and you end up loathing humanity. You take every chance you have to belittle others, and do everything in your power to hurt them. And you don't care. What's the point of our existence and our advancement in technology, if we can't advance ourselves beyond animals? Hey, at least people are being themselves on the internet. It's the mask that most people put up in real life that bothers me the most. And the fact that most of the time, you are no different. Have a wonderful day. If you had bothered to read a bit more, you'd see I never claimed such a thing. I was talking about myself, not you. ![]() my bad, sorry | ||
qtiehunter
1088 Posts
On August 29 2012 19:13 cari-kira wrote: you can decide for yourself what is real. the people you meet in your rl or the trolls (which exist in great numbers in the internet, thats because they use it as emotional trashcan) in the internet. answer should be obvious for everyone that still has a connection to reality. hint: ![]() You actually have to pay quite a high monthly fee in OUTSIDE; exploring only comes after you provide some cash; the NPCs' AI tends to be pretty awful -as opposed to "incredible"- in most of the cases; the vast majority of the 56.400 character archetypes are basically the same, with like a 0.1% of difference between eachother; the PvP has major imbalance regarding your starting race and social status; the graphics are for the most part repetitive and uncreative, and the resolution could be much better almost everywhere. Seriously, stop hyping this OUTSIDE game. World of Warcraft, to say something, is much better. -- To the OP, yeah, people suck, get used to it. I like to portray life as a quest to find valuable people from whom many things can be learnt, many experiences can be shared, etc. Think of it as a Pokémon adventure: you have to drive through hordes of stinky and useless ratattas zubats and pidgeys and useless pokémaniac trainers to capture these cool dragon pokemonz and beat these cool dudes inside their own big ass mansions. Then win it all and become legendary. \o | ||
PointyShoes
Northern Ireland20 Posts
I'm sure everyone has a central idea of who they believe they are but peoples behaviours change and react to the social context they find themselves in. For example, you'd act differently among your best friends than you would among a group of complete strangers. The internet is just another social context where the anonymity and lack of consequences has created a social norm which allows people to be merciless bastards. However unsavoury as this culture is, it's not really a complete representation of the human behind the computer screen, who in most cases probably love their mothers and skip and dance to many a cheerful tune. | ||
SickeL
110 Posts
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
Should we be like Korea and start suing people for making disparaging remarks online? | ||
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