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bITt.mAN
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Switzerland3693 Posts
July 27 2012 13:19 GMT
#1
The reason I'm writing this is to use my life as an example to show that there are better ways to dedicate your time than too muchhardcore computer games, that you can limit yourself from those superior alternatives depending on the patterns you let yourself form. Provided motivation and discipline are actual issues mind you, different people different struggles.

But instead of preaching at you, telling you “aoooh noo don’t play games and porns and internetz, it eeeviiiil” I’ll share with you what it looks like to be me.




A year and a half ago, I thought things couldn’t get worse, I had passed through the panic barrier and was a nummed, emotional wreck, full of apathy and despair. I’ve still got the cuttin’ scars on my inner arm (I made a little smiley face), and though people can dismiss my struggles as “not as bad as other people’s “ no, this shit was real. This isn’t a story about that or how I was delivered from it, or that I’m not ashamed to share or rejoice in how God saved me and bore me out of my darkest times on his back. It’s about the patterns that lead to that moment, and how I haven’t really learned or changed. Because three times since then I’ve had BIGGER challenges to face, much harder difficulties, and each time the same pattern of:
    1)Be scared of problem/ task because it’s ‘too big’, or just plain laziness.
    2)Form and rely on the habit of escaping from the issue at hand (dependence on porn and games for satisfaction and comfort), rather than dealing with it head on = PROCRASTINATE
    3)The big crunch panic period when have no time left to actually do the task.
    4)Lol wut somehow find the crazy determination and drive to get through by the skin if my teeth

Each time, though I don’t believe it, it gets worse. Hunh I thought I was right up to the line my first big time, nope, I’ve gotten closer and closer (and beyond) disaster each time after, and what I’m worried about is falling to a point where #4 doesn’t happen in time.

It comes down to a history of relying on and abusing #2, rather than dealing with the inherent problem at #1, which leads to #3, and I don’t want to imagine what things would be like without salvation at #4.




I’ll keep it short, but my addiction and lack of discipline have far deeper consequences and problems than just wasting my ‘free’ time, more and more they’re fucking up just about every other area of my life from health, to grades, development, and friends.

I don’t have the answers, heck, if I did I’d be further out of my own mess. But I do have the problem, and the history of what lead up to it:
Thinking that I’m fine, thinking that addiction stuff could never happen to me. “Aooh no I dun got no porno problem, yeah I play way too much starcaft, but I can totally stop if I wanted to.”


But when summer hits, my ambitions of being productive waste away. But now in Uni shit actually matters during the summer, you can’t just do fuck all like I did all of high-school with no consequences. So in a very long-winded way what I’m trying to say is “don’t do it like I did”. Keep a FIRM control on what you do, least your habits get the best of you.
Diagnose like this: “if I were alone, and had a whole day just to myself, what would I do? What would I really enjoy doing, when I don’t have to be accountable to no homework, job, or society?”
Eventually when things get harder, you can stick through it (discipline), or you can be like me and let your slef-control slack, recoursing to those things that were immediately gratifying and ~fun~. So then you’re not disciplined in the small stuff, you don’t have that control, you’d rather just procrastinate, so when the BIG stuff rolls around it’s a nightmare to get stuff done.

So now combine that lack of discipline with a ragged and trashed (brain-chemical) reward and motivation system! Dissaster!





There are lots of things I want to do. Stuff that I know is good for me, that will be beneficial and help me grow. + Show Spoiler [what I WANT to do] +
I've downloaded a shit-ton of interesting developmental books (mostly science, math, success and social interaction books). I've also bough a lot more apologetics, physics and math books + exercises. Finally, I have all of my Chemistry course-work to re-read (degree), multiple sermons and bible studies to work through, and even drawing materials and tutorials. I have articles and battle reports I want to write, imaginary tournaments to organize, Rubik’s cubes to practice, music to learn and produce, Breakdance to train, friends to keep up with. Plus a myriad of household chores and duties pertaining to moving out of my flat in a week. Oh, and Job/work


Most of those are exercising mental muscles. Especially, the math, I've been wanting to make myself practice math regularly for a good year now. Just think of all the benefits that would bring, how well my mind would grow through that regular exercise. Consider all the ways I can't even imagine my life would be enriched if I disciplined myself to do all that stuff I've listed!




And you know what I actually do when it comes to allocating free time? I watch porn and play/watch starcraft/other computer games.
That's it! Why? Because I'm addicted. Over, and over, and over again I've over-dosed my mental reward system and formed a positive feedback loop with those two activities, such that I can't get any reasonable dopamine stimulation (governs motivation and reward) without either games or porn. I'm a dependant addict; though there's all this great stuff I'm just bursting to do, the only thing I look forwards to is one of those two. This is something that's difficult to talk about, and there are lots of people (especially those who spend almost all of their free time on the internet like me, and lots of TL) who share these issues, but don't want to face those problems, let alone admit that there is a problem and that they need help (again, maybe it isn’t, if so appreciate your blessing).
Remember that question about how you’d like to ideally spend your free time? Well for me, though I try, I find that those activities are THE ONLY way I spend just about ALL of my time, and I can’t do anything else without getting my fix ( I don’t look forwards to anything else but doing those), and once I do binge I’m unable to concentrate or focus on anything (yeah my ADD doesn’t help one bit, but pills wouldn’t solve these problems anyways).

I don’t know where I’m going with this, I aint got no agenda or mission except against myself, and my own demons, but if any of this resonates with stuff you may have at the back of your head, please, please don’t hide it or bluff it off. Bring it to the light, and work through it, you could do yourself no greater service [ok there are a few things that trump this, but not many]. Oh how I long to vanquish my addiction, restore my dopamine system to a healthy setting (rather than continual overdose), and grow and learn discipline. I want to do that stuff, I REALLY DO, and I really want out of this struggle, I want to be fixed, and if this is the case for you, I want you to be fixed too. Because we are called to live more than this shadow and shell of an existence I inhabit.


PM me, post a reply, but more importantly than those two (I’m confident that applies to almost every member of this site) if you watch porn, research this:

http://www.yourbrainonporn.com/great-porn-experiment-given-tedx

+ Show Spoiler [My Opinion on NoFap] +
Y’know maybe this should be a whole blog to itself, but since I don’t have the experience of working through the entire process yet, I don’t have the experience to properly critique the movement.


NoFap is fuckin hard, reaaally damn hard (look it up if you don’t know about it yet). The evidence for it is very convincing, the benefits abound, and frankly it’s quite empowering to break the shackles of porn dependence/addiction.

But what is absolutely key, and sadly completely missed by every NoFap material I have ever come across, is “why”. Why do you choose to deny yourself that gratifying self-stimulation? You can read all the testimonials you want, energy, motivation, confidence etc. They are great, but you know what the sad thing is? They’re almost all focused on Erectile Dysfunction (ED). Haha serves us young guys right that we’re less potent than some old men, shows how unnatural and distorted our over-use of porn is.

But if you’re choosing NoFap just to revel in overly (or naturally) high testosterone levels, to increase your sex drive and fuel your lust for actual hook-ups rather than virtual ones – simply put, you won’t be satisfied, chasing a goal you can never conquer.
That’s a macroscopic claim, looking a good 15, 20, maybe even 25 years down the line, and just about everybody disagrees with it since it turns away from immediate, animal, sexual gratification, and all of what society and the media indoctrinate you with. But I won’t be happy to just stick to my way and let you go yours, without considering ahead of time where ours lead. I sure can’t force you, but I can at least do you the service of fore-warning. Fok, this is going nowhere without proper structure and plan. That’s what happens when you let yourself go off on a tangent instead of getting back to your work.
OK, soon I’ll start the great “Male Chastity” discussion thread, it’ll be fun, though likely to be drowned by the dull droning of daft dumbfounded derps. [TL population]x11 tends to do that nowadays.


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Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
July 27 2012 13:49 GMT
#2
Thanks for the share. I can't say I understood all of what you were saying, but I understood the gist.

Glad you're with us here to talk about it.

I can't say that my procrastination has ever gotten as bad as yours has, but I've had the same pattern (as well as my fair share of insane all-nighters) and although I'm not currently in that phase, reading your blog has also bolstered my determination to stay out of it. Your fap share was also interesting, don't abuse that really but I'll try not to for an extended period of time and see where that takes me.

Thanks again, enjoyed the read and I'm glad you're fighting hard.

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Kuni
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Austria765 Posts
July 27 2012 15:14 GMT
#3
That video was pretty dumb :-)
"Don't fap and you can become the king of the world". Sounded almost as bad as those pathetic advertisement videos from scientology and the like.
In addition, you make it sound like being a lazy son of a bitch is always caused by the problems you have (specifically extensive porn-fapping).

Of course I wish you the best for your case. But maybe it's not that bad if we live in a world with an army of fappers. There's not much difference to a guy who lives his standard shithole-work-40hrs/week-family-life, as they're poisoning their motivation to achieve more greater things too. I wonder how many fappers would actually start tearing down the shithole we live in today. Probably pretty good in the end, but you cannot procrastinate in such a world and that's a shame, because procrastination, just doing nothing and letting the sun shine on your belly is fucking awesome !
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obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 15:20:47
July 27 2012 15:19 GMT
#4
Procrastination pretty much affects everyone the same. There are continuums of people that just haven't discovered websites and built up the addition to the severe degree. Still some can manage through it with sheer talent or personality.

I finally failed another course last semester because it caught up to me. Eventually you don't get by on the skin of your teeth. On probation now.

Wait so do people do nofap so they last longer when they finally do have sex?

Usain Bolt GoGo!
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
leo23
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3075 Posts
July 27 2012 15:27 GMT
#5
damn son get a grip

good luck nice read
banelings
TheGiz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada708 Posts
July 27 2012 18:03 GMT
#6
      I've seen that TED video before, and I 100% believe in its message. I've gotten a lot more done on the days that I decide to be a lot more disciplined, and I'm also getting a lot more sleep, I find.

      As to your own problems, I can't really comment. I suffered a great deal throughout university; I have very high expectations for myself. I lost my love, a year of my life, and suffered 2 bouts of depression, but through all that I was able to find the resolve and the discipline required to get through. I never had to find my faith; it's always been my rock. It's more that I had to find the willpower to get up and be the person that I was meant to be. Now, barring a few issues here and there (very minor issues, too), I'm exactly the man I meant myself to be. I hope you feel the same.
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dabosaur
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden95 Posts
July 27 2012 18:15 GMT
#7
I got the same problem, also I can be at my desk after watching porn and don't know what to do because everything is boring after the kick.

Thanks for sharing!
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 21:30:45
July 27 2012 21:00 GMT
#8
Our society is structured so gratuitous pleasure such as porn and games are meant to compensate for the stress of work. However if it doesn't stress us, there is nothing to compensate for, so 1) there's little left to do, 2) we cannot relate to those who are stressed. Intellectual development like you mentioned occupies time, but makes 2) worse.

The solution I see is to pursue more challenging work. Easier said than done because we're limited by the academic program in college or job qualifications, but that's exactly where gaming can be amazing. It requires no grades, certificates or interviews. Don't just play, analyze, make goals, find practice partners, not to be the best of all times because that requires too much commitment, but once you plateau at your "true" level you'll be with people just like you.

Porn is different because it address not just stress but also insecurity, by objectifying women. Mind you, many men occupy time by objectifying naive women themselves, at least actresses are aware and paid for that. My suggestion is to deobjectify by talking to them, show some interest on what they are doing. Some will confuse that with romantic interest and will attempt to accomodate that, since after all they like the attention - some self-control is necessary to not commit without passion. It's a lot like exercise is for a diet - you may sit all day thinking you can't eat (fap) or do something that is constructive to your goal (great practice to when you actually have romantic interest)
xmungam
Profile Joined July 2012
United States1050 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-27 22:54:42
July 27 2012 21:35 GMT
#9
how does this sound so real

this + weed = my life?
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Bswhunter
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia954 Posts
July 28 2012 00:36 GMT
#10
okay I kinda know this feeling. Been somewhat going through the same thing as you (to lesser degrees in certain areas)
first of all you should add some form of exercise to this. doesn't have to be going to the gym and working out (Infact if you want to become a breakdancer I would probally recommend some whole body exercises that you could do daily)
also, you will probally feel overworked and stressed out. Reverting back to your old habits will be extremely tempting and you will have days when you feel like shit and don't want to do anything. Try not to seek out your old habits, but don't be afraid to indulge in them slightly.
Also just talking to your friends. Most people have gone through stages in their lives where they either try and change themselves or feel pretty shit. Not only this put your things in perspective, but you can also inform your friends about it without just dumping it all on them.
glhf
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Mstring
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia510 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-30 06:26:20
July 28 2012 02:57 GMT
#11
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Mothra
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1448 Posts
July 28 2012 16:25 GMT
#12
I believe this is true, but it's easy to forget if not reminded. Thanks for sharing in your blog.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 29 2012 04:30 GMT
#13
I tried nofap and it went great for curing procrastination while I was on it, but after a month I was still superhorny all the time. I just went back to shaking hands with the Pope just so I could stabilize my brain a bit more.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15365 Posts
July 29 2012 05:28 GMT
#14
While I think many of the effects the whole nofap business describes are observable in real life, none of the explanations are founded on anything remotely scientific. It's basically some random dude who came up with a intuitive sounding, very simple explanation for a probably very complex set of problems many young adults have today. So you should really stop referring to all that pseudo science reward system BS.

That being said, experimenting with your mind, body, and soul to find a livable equilibrium for yourself is something I can only encourage. It doesn't matter really if you are trying to rid yourself of games, porn, or whatever dependence. Just try it and see what works for you.
But do it on your own, with your own trials and findings. Don't just blindly follow some lunatic pseudo science because what the guy says sounds kind of logical.
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