Best of Five - Page 4

On July 17 2012 00:26 motbob wrote:

Well, I was just trying to show that there are multiple valid philosophies when running a playoff. Things can be exciting even if the better team isn't definitely going to win. Maybe an NBA vs NCAA hoops comparison would have been clearer, but that comparison and the one I used serve the same purpose in my mind.

If the match feels like a foregone conclusion, that's because it pretty much is. There have been 31 Bo7 series that reached the point of 3-1 or 3-0. Of those, in only one match did the disadvantaged player eventually win the series.

That's right. You could have closed out the stream and gone to bed after a 3-1 or 3-0 result and only regretted it 3.2% of the time.

On July 17 2012 22:15 emythrel wrote:


I would say that UK football has a good example of more games = the better team winning but unfortunately thats not really the case.

In UK football (soccer) we have the FA cup, Premier league (plus division 1,2,3) and the League Cup (now known as the Carling Cup i think). Obviously in the premier league you play every other team twice, at the end of the season the best team wins, nearly always.

In the FA cup they play a 32 team single elim bracket and usually the top atleast 2 of the top 4 teams in the country make the semi finals but sometimes a wildcard team for a lower division make it all the way to the finals even though they would probably end up bottom of the table in the Premier league.

However, in the League Cup they play a 32 team single elim bracket using aggregate score (you play 2 games against your opponent and add the scores together) which SHOULD end up with the better team winning every time but doesn't. This is mainly due to the fact that this cup is seen as less important than the FA cup and Premier league and so teams usually field their young players, rising stars etc instead of their best 11. Th is often results in "upsets". The finals of this cup are conversely played as a single match, with extra time and penalties to solve a draw.

Penalties are no guarantee of the better team winning. If anything the worse team can deliberately play for a draw to get to penalties as their chances of winning go up by a massive amount.

Simple fact of sports/esports is that in most cases, a league system as used in the UK (all teams play in a single league, no east/west divisions like Basketball or Baseball etc) is the only way to truly guarantee that the best team wins. I've never upderstood the whole play a league then have play-offs thing, its just not how we do things here and I've never understood why its necessary. The only play-offs we have is for a team to be promoted up to a higher division, the teams in 2nd-5th fight it out for the second promotion spot while the team in 1st win promotion automatically.

The Premier league is often decided, as it was this year, on the final day of the season. The only draw back is that when a team outclass all their rivals by a large margin, they can have already guaranteed the championship with anything as much as 10 games left to play.

I see SC2 as more of the tennis model tho, men tennis is usually won by the best player because of the 5 set matches. In 3 set tourneys there are a lot more upsets than in the majors like Wimbledon (sorry Rafa!). I would like to see sc2 tourneys be bo5 all the way thru, including the finals

On October 09 2012 23:11 jpak wrote:
Bumping this to note that OS2L from the semifinals on is also Bo7.