EPTUnpaid social work instead watching charity stream - Page 3
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MageKirby
United States535 Posts
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jax1492
United States1632 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
I don't understand how it's relevant whatsoever if a charity promotes a user stream? If a user even benefits from the charity, why is that relevant in the first place? They are doing something, they are enjoying doing it, and fuck, there's a good byproduct from it... For example, I'm much more likely to volunteer at a soup kitchen than volunteer at a nursing home or something like that. Why? Because I really, really dislike working with old people. It's just who I am. So I'd volunteer at a soup kitchen instead, even if there for whatever reason was more value in volunteering at a nursing home. Sounds like the OP is just knocking on the streamers for enjoying the charity work and benefiting from it, but failed to provide any reasoning why you shouldn't benefit from a charity, even if that's your main intention for running one. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
they're still doing it for the right reasons, unlike billionaires who only donate to charity to dodge taxes who's going to tune into husky working at a soup kitchen now, bringing a pc to a homeless shelter and letting them play starcraft...now that's an interesting idea | ||
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Neeh
Norway458 Posts
I don't think I've ever sat down watched a charetiy even thinking I'm doing something really good. It's no different than watching any other stream for me. And if it's done for attention or not dosen't matter squat. If you really care about that, why aren't you out bashing people whom stream for their own fortune? There's some really flawed logic there, if streaming for charity is selfish, but normal streaming is just...fine? It's a massive non-issue. Just be glad some people are actually cashing in on their "fame" to do something good... | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
As for the general ethical issue you're trying to present as the central point of your argument, there simply isn't one. These events are basically made for self-promotion in the first place (it's called King of the Web, should be enough of a hint). Most of public charity work in general is all about self-promotion. I understand why it can bother you on a personal level, but then keep it on a personal level as there's really not much to discuss here. | ||
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
On July 16 2012 08:37 jax1492 wrote: i think young people these days have kinda the "kony 2012" mentality ... this streaming for charity is just another case of that. What do you even mean by "kony 2012 mentality"? That doesn't make any sense. "kony 2012" didn't even accomplish anything. Streaming for charity ACTUALLY accomplishes something. And also, what does this have to do with "young people these days" anyways? | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On July 16 2012 07:51 Rustug wrote: He dumplings... are you secretly one of those Commander Krieger fanboys? (Just checking) This was my first thought lol | ||
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KaRath_
Australia245 Posts
We'll take what we get. Not everyone can do volunteer charity work (what I mean by that is that sometimes we have other obligations, especially for a lot of TL'rs who are probably married and have kids and mortgages and whatnot), hence charity stream is an option for them. | ||
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Snorkels
United States1015 Posts
Basically, committing a supposedly well-meaning action/activity that costs the person very little and accomplishes little as well. | ||
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Mondieu
Romania803 Posts
Not many people have the skills required to go out and suddenly do 'charity' work for 'free' like you presume. You need social skills, patience with people and in return you expect respect, maybe a meal and such. Remember when TLO did his charity 24 hour stream event? Yes he 'only' made 2k euros although he had 20000 viewers, but those 20k people wouldn't go outside and help an old lady cross the street or suddenly feel the urge to plant a tree :p tl;dr: People don't suddenly do charity work. Charity streams are fine as they are because people that actually do social/charity work won't watch the stream instead of actually doing charity themselves and the rest are probably just taking a break from their daily routine and get some entertainment  | ||
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Random_Guy09
Canada1010 Posts
On July 16 2012 05:50 dumplings wrote: (sorry for my english. Im from germany. I re-read my article and used online dictionary many times to do my best) Hello, everytime i see charity events i am in a conflict: A: It generates money for social projects B: People only spend because of the event (or even only because people do something when they spend) Often i come to the conclussion "okay better then nothing". But "charity events" like this "HuskyStarcraft and friends" Stream makes me cry. In my opinion its only a show with much promotion for the stream(er) with the little side-effect people spend some money. EVEN THOUGH HuskyStarcraft and his friends are REALLY AND 100% doing this because of the charity...the product what we are seeing when we watch the stream is a show with much promotion for the stream(er) with the little side-effect people spend some money. The point that you see people just hanging around and having fun (even just playing videogames right at the moment when the vod runs in my background) makes it so much decadent and cynical (not respectable). With this topic i want to make young/unknowing people sensitive that these events are mostly only to buy indulgence for our healthy livingstyle. What do instead? My suggestions (im not that super intelligent guy): - Instead of watching such "charity events" use the time and do unpaid social work (or just go out and help other people/family/friends/go to a nursing home and just talk to lonely old people. (this special example because i worked for some time in a nursing home. You can just go there and ask someone from the staff you like to do some social work) - Just spend money (without supporting already rich/healthy people/companies) - Instead of following what HuskyStarcraft says all the time ("Twitter [insert some famous SC2 persons] because he deserves it and is doing a lot good work") find/search social worker who are NOT eccentric and/or self-centered who are realy doing there work 100% for the aim and tweet them! If you are not well versed in charity/social work... maybe you have never done charity before (maybe because you are very young or just never thought about it before)... and you are supporting the HuskyStarcraft and friends event right now just keep doing. In the end it helps. I just want to let you know there are much better and more worth ways to do or/and help charity in future (do not charity because of an event: just do it! Or if you have time and the ability do social work by yourself!) If i am totally wrong with the HuskyStarcraft Event (yes i don't watched it for hours (im watching the already up twitch.tv-vod and clicked through it) i am sorry. And anyway like i said: its nothing bad but you can do better! Again i hope my english is not so bad. I really need to get it of my chest. Your just QQ'ing cause your buddy from Germany lost. All you supporters from him are disrespectful pieces of garbage atleast CK has class and doesnt support your attitudes and accepts he lost. And you dont really follow who he was supporting either. Ro does alot for charity by participating in events as people have said above. As a friend Husky wanted to help out and was live streaming for entertainment and to raise awareness for the cause and the charity (as for some reason alot of people dont know about habitat for humanity). If you actually sat and watched (not being a lazy ass and "clicking through it") you would see he mentioned multiple times that he never ran a single commercial every time he live streamed to support her. So he wasn't doing it for himself at all. Yes he alot of subs for his stream but thats because people wanted to help him out considering the lack of commercials (which were replaced by advertising the king of the web campaign). So be respectful for once as your representative (CK) in the campaign has been the whole time. So go be salty somewhere else as the guy you were supporting was also streaming to get votes (which is completely legit). Your also just salty that he didnt win so you could get the chance to get free stuff. Go take that salty attitude else where instead of infecting TL with this crap. Don't need disrespectful uninformed people like you coming in here to cry about things you have no knowledge of. Do some research before posting something stupid like this and embarassing yourself like you already have by pretty much everyone here disagreeing with you and saying your just salty because the person your supporting didnt win. Dont need people like you in the community. Accept it CK lost. He already did but obviously you fans of his cant because you havent matured enough to understand anything | ||
GMarshal
United States22154 Posts
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tskarzyn
United States516 Posts
Second- the sentiment behind a charitable act isn't what matters. I really don't think the person receiving charity from an intermediary thinks about whether that money came from some bleeding hearts, some corporate-sponsored charity run, or a bunch of nerds who generated advertisement revenue by watching their favorite players. As long as no one is hurt (of course the wealthy are hurt by punitive taxes, but fack the wealthy right?) and the charity benefits it is all good in my book. | ||
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mostevil
United Kingdom611 Posts
A lot of the people I know who do charity work or work with "less fortunate people" as a kind of self promotion. Either to imrove their image, because their religion tells them to or just so they can tell everyone else how good they are (often a combination of all 3). Look at the OP effectively telling us how much more noble he is than the streamers who no doubt have done more good messing around for a day on stream than a year of his social work. And some of us don't really want to save the world, but might throw a bit in for some entertainment. On July 16 2012 07:55 MoonfireSpam wrote: That said, I'd take streaming events over shitty "sponsor me to skydive" events any day, since the stream at least gives something back to the donators and avoids a super wierd situation of "pay me money and I'll do something super fun for me" Now these are the exception that actually really do piss me off. I knew someone doing one of these and I said I'd put in the last £500 if she promised to match it for the charity, the response confirmed it was nothing to do with the charity and it was all about other people paying for her experience. When the person being sponsoreds only contribution is doing something they want to do effectively at the expense of the charity then somethings off there. It's only acceptable to me if the jumper/flyer etc. is paying the full cost and then some actual charitable contribution. The money went direct to the charity in this case. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On July 16 2012 10:20 mostevil wrote: If it does good how can it matter that it has side benefits for those taking part. A lot of the people I know who do charity work or work with "less fortunate people" as a kind of self promotion. Either to imrove their image, because their religion tells them to or just so they can tell everyone else how good they are (often a combination of all 3). Look at the OP effectively telling us how much more noble he is than the streamers who no doubt have done more good messing around for a day on stream than a year of his social work. And some of us don't really want to save the world, but might throw a bit in for some entertainment. Now these are the exception that actually really do piss me off. I knew someone doing one of these and I said I'd put in the last £500 if she promised to match it for the charity, the response confirmed it was nothing to do with the charity and it was all about other people paying for her experience. When the person being sponsoreds only contribution is doing something they want to do effectively at the expense of the charity then somethings off there. It's only acceptable to me if the jumper/flyer etc. is paying the full cost and then some actual charitable contribution. The money went direct to the charity in this case. Why does it bother you if they want to fund themselves anyways? They can't claim it's for charity - that's illegal. But if they say "watch my stream so I can skydive" how is it any different than the other progamers that are streaming to make money? It's not really. They're just trying to say "I'll provide you with entertainment, and it'll help me reach my goal to do something fun." People are too judgmental imo. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
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